The Duggar Family America's Creepiest Family?

"Normal"  4 years ago

Just too weird. The children are like little christian robots. They are raising their own cult!

MortimerWorth 4 years ago

Actually, I believe there are a lot of stereotypes about have more than 2.5 children, and being serious Christians. When we see a bold example that would prove those stereotypes wrong we become uncomfortable. We must find another dig on the troop in order to keep our boundaries safe. I personally am sick of a culture that gives lip service to how much it loves children but then discourage large families. These guys test our stigmas in many ways.

Erin Coates 4 years ago

At least they seem to be able to control their language which is more than I can say about the writer of this post. Who cares if they have 17 kids? How is that affecting you...stop picking on them and spend your time more profitably. Why do you think that Mr and Mrs Duggar have more sex than any other couple? They just don't use birth control...so what? What is it to you?

bev 4 years ago

If the world would take an example from the duggars it would be paradise. These wonderful christian people are "living" their faith, not just paying lip service. I cannot understand anyone not being able to see that these people are happy. Does anyone remember real hapiness? Being at peace with The Lord, and yourself, loving God and your neighbour? This world is becoming full of foul mouthed, disrespectful, and most sadly God ignoring people who have lost their way. Erin, before it is too late, take a leaf out of these peoples book. You don't have to have 17 children, that is their business, turn to our Saviour The Lord Jesus Christ, give yourself completely to Him and watch yours and hopefully those you live with lives become as they should be, and as they were made to be, a beacon of hope in this dark world. Please!!! before it is too late!!!

Ariana 4 years ago

I absolutely love the Duggar family. Michelle is a beautiful example of a wife and mother.

maria 4 years ago

I love them I think more people should follow their example. And I don't mean everyone have 17 kids. That wouldn't be for me anyway. But look at how they raise their children and live there life. Is it so wrong to have respect in a home? And living with no debt? If more people were like them would the world be such a bad place??????

Terri 4 years ago

I personally come from a family of seven. I cannot think of a better way to grow up. For me I always thought that we were so Poor we were Rich. Now some people will read this and wonder if I have lost my mind. However the simple truth is that although we did not have the name brands, newest and best of every tangible thing, we were extremly rich in the things that money cannot buy: Love, Faith, and Trust. There was enough Love in our household that many a time my father invited other people to stay with us in our four bedroom home untill they got on their feet. At times I wondered where the food would come to feed all that sat around our humble table, but after a blessing there was always enough, and no one left hungry. So God Bless this family and one day maybe someone will see that faith in God and the perseverance to continue even when the sun is not shinning will get them through. Last but not least I pray that we will one day go back to the old way of raising our children to have duties, respect, and reverance. We need to take a lesson from these people.

Lee 4 years ago

So we all should be like the Duggars and have 20 kids pass it to the next available child for buddying and call the house a church and so there would be no taxes and maybe TLC will do another special on families that have large number of children and they'll give us stuff too? Sign me up!

Lee 4 years ago

Of course that was sarcasm for the slower folks. I still can't understand how so many say it's great and we should all be like this family.

Ashley 4 years ago

I don't think anyone is saying you too should have 17 children. I think it's sad that people would think this family is creepy. I have no doubt they have their moments of being sad, frusrated, irritated, etc. They are human and do not profess to be perfect. I think they are a wonderful example of a family who does it right. Do I think it's creepy that they are happy and in a loving home? No. Do I think they are raising a cult, a church, or Christian robots? No. I think it's sad, that people see a family such as the Duggars, who are happy, put together, and loving, and think there is something wrong with that picture. What is wrong with you? I'm sure their children aren't always perfect, but they are pretty amazing. They respect their parents and each other. They helped build a house for goodness sakes! They do their chores and are homeschooled! They do more than most adults. Having 17 children isn't for everyone, but this family obviously can do it. I say kudos! Way to go raising such a wonderful family. We should all be so lucky to be in a home as loving and wonderful.

Anonymous 4 years ago

Wouldn't the truly Christian thing be to maybe adopt kids that are already on this planet that need a good home? Or, take in foster children? They do seem to run a loving home, but it seems awfully selfish to me that they think they are so great that they need mini reproductions of themselves. Also, I have kids myself, and I would never put my kids in charge of other kids. It's too much responsibility! Kids should be able to be kids. They'll be grown up soon enough!

Ann 4 years ago

How come they always have to wear matching clothes?

And why won't the girls cut their hair?

I thought the Holly Hobby peasant look went out in, ummm, I don't know... 1862?

Realist 4 years ago

I believe in God. I don't believe that God would approve. What is the Mrs. and Mr. Duggar's goal? It makes me sick because I grew up with parents that didn't want me or didn't want to spend time with me, believe in me, etc. These parents don't have time to be parents. I believe God gave us a brain to make appropriate decisions and gave us each other to care for as God has cared for us. Duggar's are sick people. I am sorry for thier kids and the "record" setting pace doesn't have God in it anywhere. God gave you a brain to think for yourself. Please don't be so selfish and literal of one bible verse saying to procreate and fill the earth....

xavaria 4 years ago

Ever notice how when comments about how creepy and weird, aand just plain awful the Duggars are. Along come the Fundy Christian comments and try to paint these freaks as wonderful Christians.

Lori 4 years ago

Hello To All:

I really have to hand it to these people that handle thier lives the way they do. Their children are well mannered & have been taught good morals from excellent parents. They are all equally loved & rather they 10 more children or 20 more it is okay by me because they are tax paying citizens & don't live off the government like many with this many children do. The are brought up with the word of God & thusly will filter off to their offspring & all of them know wrong from right from the very start. They only are allowed around other Christians so that is also a huge plus. I totally agree with how they run their home. They do not own credit cards, they don't have a mortgage or car payments they own everything & work for all they have & they owe no debts whatsoever, lessons for their children as well!!! How many people can do this??? Not EVEN 1% of the population of this entire world!!! I guarantee you!!!To each his own. Those of us that are against it so be it, if they can do it then let them do it & love their chilldren & spread the word of God while they are at it as well. Remember thou shall not judge lest you be judged. Just because we cannot do it or disagree doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do it, at least they can handle it!!! They teach their children the value of God & of life & not one of them are a problem to anybody!!! If it works for them then let them have a football team.

Now I couldn't do what they do I am being honest but I agree with their program!!!

Now saying God wouldn't approve is not a fair statement because he is the one whom makes that decision & they live by the word of God & seem to be a very happy & content family. Most of us just need more education with God perhaps studing the word will help us all to substantiate what he expects of us as "TRUE CHRISTIANS."

God Bless you, Duggar Family I applaude what you do, you have done a wonderful job!!!

Sincerely,

Lori

tiger1981 4 years ago

Here's the real story on the Duggar "family". I did a lot of reseach on these people after I saw the discovery channel show on them because something just didn't sit quite right with me about them. And the number of kids they have is not the reason. After doing a lot of digging around on the net and after talking to some friends of mine in Arkansas, I found out some interesting tidbits about the Duggars. I found out that the Duggars are ultra conservative Pentecostals. If anyone knows about Pentecostals, you will understand why the women don't EVER cut their hair and why the girls are always clad in long skirts (NEVER, EVER PANTS). While people are free to practice their own religious beliefs, I do not appreciate the fact that Jim Bob Duggar has attempted to run for political office (and actually won a few minor elections) on the basis of his religious beliefs. He and Rick Santorum (ex-Congressman from  Pennsylvania) had planned to introduce a bill into Congress that would outlaw ALL contraceptive use in this country, including for married couples. (I worked as a congressional staffer in DC and got this from a reputable REPUBLICAN source.) Now if Mrs. Duggar wants to be a baby factory, that is certainly her business to do so, but I have to draw the line when the Duggars try to tell me that my wife must also be one as well.

 As far as living "debt free", well, that's pretty simple to do if someone else is picking up the tab. Anybody who saw the show where the Duggars built their house will know that people "volunteered" time and materials to assist. It's also no secret that the entire house was furnished by various sources, not one being the Duggars' own bank account. Again, I do agree that people should be free to donate goods and services to whomever they choose. However, don't be naive. You know somebody is paying for that and it's going to be you and me..paying customers who may end up having to finance that very same goods or services. Also, in the event that the Duggars have Health Insurance, how much more are your premiums for your family of four because the insurance company has to underwrite coverage for a family of 19? Think about it.  

Somebody argued that the Duggars are not on the "public dole". How do you know that?  I mentioned health insurance above but for all we know, they don't have any. That means everytime Mrs. Duggar pops out another baby, your tax dollars are paying for that baby via Medicaid, WIC, and possibly ARChip (the Federal Health insurance plan for kids).

Going back to the Duggars' religious beliefs, did you know that the Duggars have declared their HOME a church? Thus securing tax exempt status for it? That's right, they don't pay any property tax OR sales tax if they are buying something for their home. Wouldn't that be nice if the rest of us could do that? So, since they aren't paying any taxes, guess who is? Wow..you guessed right...you and me. As I stated earlier, it's not hard to live debt free when somebody else is footing your bill.

Yes, I think the Duggars are creepy. I also think that I'm paying for these people to do what they believe God has "commanded" them to do. And quite honestly, I'm tired of paying for them. 

anonymous 4 years ago

Has anyone else noticed the lack of affection these children receive? The newborns seems to receive plenty, but I've only seen 2 of the older kids ever get even a half-hearted hug.

anonymous 4 years ago

I think they are a family cult run by Jim Bob. I find the entire show very creepy. I think Michele is addicted to having babies and Jim Bob is a control freak nut. It is impossible that they make enough money to support the family w/o assistance from the outside. I am looking forward to when one of these kids is out of the house and write a memoir.

Random 4 years ago

Ok its none of my business I know. But if these people are going to plaster themselves all over the media I cant help and wonder how they earn a living. And whats the deal with the exact same clothing on the kids? Are they raising robots? Individulity is out right? Cant be because of budget.

I will say, compared to normal media disgraces like the Hiltons I would rather hangout with the Duggars. They seem friendly and open. At least in front of the camera. More than can be said for most celbrity types.

T 4 years ago

Dude Im ganna declare my damn house a church so I wont have to pay any taxes on the fucker.

Yeah great people who can afford their kids...more like finding every loop hole they can to get out of paying shit the rest of us have to pay, but you all keep thinking they are some great asset to this country while were paying our taxes and such that they have found ways to get around...

amy 4 years ago

I really love how they are but thats MY view on it. Just to note that there will be people whom love,hate,dislike,like and people who just dont care about the Dugggar famliy because not matter what we write or do they will have maybe more children. Life goes on no matter what anyone says.

Jody 4 years ago

I feel that the parents are putting entirely too much responsibility on their older children. You heard the mother say that from the time the baby is weened it is handed off to a "buddy," meaning an older sibling. These kids are essentially parents themselves. All Michelle does is breed and homeschool. The other kids raise their siblings, clean and cook.

Ralph DeMattia 4 years ago

This family is like a train wreck that you can see coming, yet can't turn away from. What's going to happen 50 or 75 years from now to future generations if people like the Duggars (18 kids) The McGaugheys (8 kids) The Gosselins (8 kids) influence other religious whacks to do the same? The earth is getting smaller and older, people who support these nuts, and future generations are really going to suffer if certain people don't start having sex just for fun now and again!

Aaron 4 years ago

It should be illegal to have that many kids.

World is populated enough.

Debbie in PA 4 years ago

why would this prompt such "abrasive" responses. i'm sure that in the day of my granparents (13 in one family and 9 in the other) raised as christian's with family chores and dinners and outings, nothing would have been said, then, about being wierd. is this where and what we have become in the modern day. i guess we have truly forgotten family and God and that things can be done the "right" way.

David in Dallas 4 years ago

Why is it that people think that having a large family is freakish? Probably because they didn't get the attention that they deserved in a much smaller family. As one of nine children (7 of which were adopted), I know that children in large families are loved individually.

My father recently passed away and all nine of us were there (from all over the U.S.) returning love and support to our mother and each other. When it comes down to it, without family, life is pretty empty. I have personally known several elderly people who now live with regret about not having a family - - as they are now very much alone and bitter.

Growing up we did go without some material things (like the latest fashions or the latest video games - - and other ultimately worthless items). But we didn't see it as going without. We were also appropriately dressed and were always busy. We filled our time playing basketball, football, or other outdoor activities. Others of us learned to play instruments or develop other talents. I wouldn't trade any amount of material items for the relationships that I have with my brothers and sisters.

Hopefully, those of you cynics will realize what life is really all about before you find yourselves alone and bitter in a state-run nursing home with no one to come a visit you.

Kranberrys 4 years ago

Here is the site...I can't get the link to work, but if you copy and paste...

...ok so when you get to the site...click "next" then enter "Duggar" and check the 4 parcels with James and Michelle, then hit continue and then next ..you'll get what you are looking for... https://www.ark.org/washingtoncounty/index.php?ac: b_itemdetail=1&billno=830-38318-000 It says they get a "homestead credit" of $350.00, but nothing about being tax exempt....it's 20 acres too....all of their parcels show taxes being assessed...no exemptions that I can see...

Familyman 4 years ago

It is amazing how many people don't have a clue what they are talking about, but act like experts with 60 years of research to back it up. Let the people alone, or change America to Stalingrad so you can shoot them. Stupid liberals.

mehere 4 years ago

Having this many children is deeply inconsiderate of society and our globe. The earth can only sustain so many beings. Here are the rest of us learning about and trying to implement a "green" world and others putting more pressure on limited resources. Many, many others of faith have exercised better social judgement.

c 4 years ago

I must agree. Our planet is getting smaller by the minute and these people are breeding like roaches. If they feel the need to be surrounded by children, there are many children in the foster care system that would love to live in their home (wierd as it may be). It breaks my heart to see so many little girls being programmed to be baby machines like their Mamma. They'll never know what it feels like to meet their full potential because of their messed up religion sees them only as an incubator.

Danny 4 years ago

These kids will always be deemed wierd. I feel bad for them; it's not their fault. CULT!!!

Nancy 4 years ago

These kids havent got a chance in the real world, they simply wont be able tosurvive they havent been taught to. all they know ih their large family and their way of life. they do appear slightly weird to me, too perfect worryingly so. i dont like the way the daughters must take on the responsibilities that are the parents, why should an older girl must take to mothering a younger one, she didnt bloody give birth to it. i dont agree with people who say they are abusing, neglecting etc their children that is bull shit, they are however being unfair, why should you have to keep to a timetable to have a word with your own mother, get in line Jinger!!

i cant understand the clothes though, now i dont agree with we all need designer bags and stuff but to shop in thrift shops all the time, it is not helping the children adapt to 'normal' life at all. they all dress alike, white socks, skirt and horrid blouse or dress....what?? these clothes belong to a differnt century!!!

Emily 4 years ago

I think America is called the land of the FREE because it is...and thank goodness it is. My grandmother had 19 children, if she hadn't, I wouldn't be alive. I have 4 and we are praying for more. Whatever the Lord blesses us with we will be thrilled - whether it's 4 or 14.

As for the person who posted about Pentecostals, you obviously don't live in the south, lol. I am not of that religious persuasion, nor do I know (or believe that the Duggars are), but in the south, the Pentacostal faith is HUGE. It makes up as much of the religious movement down here as Baptist. It's not uncommon at all...and it is certainly NOT a cult...that is just plain laughable. My entire family IS Pentacostal and they are anything but a cult. How ignorant.

I do think the author of the post should check her facts a little more before writing - Mrs. Duggar is just now (announced today) pregnant with #18, so I am not sure where you got that she has 19 children.

And now, last, but certainly not least, this is for the people who claim to be Christians, but then say that God is displeased with her giving birth to children. Hmmm...have you "Christians" ever read the Bible? It's quite clear that Children are the fruit of the womb...they are a BLESSING, the man is BLESSED whose quiver is full. They are a GIFT. It says no where in the Bible that God is displeased by children or that He would wish anyone to stop having children. Quite the contrary - God is MOST pleased by children. They are His highest blessing and reward...and His greatest gift.

You can humanly and sinfully say that YOU don't think she should have any more children, but don't use God as a club. Know what God says before you start claiming what He would think about something - He has already made it clear in His word what He thinks and says.

I think more than anything, the fact that the Duggars NEVER say one word against their detractors, that they have never, ever spoken out against anyone who has slandered them or lied about them outrageously, speaks more about their character than could be hauled in a dump truck of yours.

X-Men 4 years ago

If stupidity would hurt, more than half of us would run screaming. They are a shame for the society. Those who kiss their asses, ud better wake up to reality. U know there's a saying; Better little and good, than much/many and wrong. Damm how true is it! Some brainwashed puppets feeding on our energy. And who said humanity progressed? Take a look around, take a look at these freaks and u'll see the opposite. What if all the children would have born handicapped and the "mom" showed no sign of stopping? I honestly fear and pity those kids. America land of the free? ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIES EVER. America's becoming nazi, u stupid asses! All that happens there and in the world is coz of our foolishness and apathy. Sterilize them, sterilize the children or kill them if possible, to let such garbage live or live as they have til now is a crime. And whats the fuss with Xtianity? Didnt u know that all religions are bullshit? I guess many centuries will have to pass til what's called "human race" would understand...

sqwerlie 4 years ago

I don't find this family creepy at all.  I really admire them and their sense of family.  My husband and I have 7 kids. (and 4 more in heaven already) People are amazed when they find out they all have the same parents.  And that we have raised them on a farm, in a 4 bedroom house with one bathroom (btw, they are all girls).  Our average income is 25000 a year. My husband crop farms and I am a stay at home mom. We have no debt, our mortgage was paid off 10 years ago (on 500 acres and two homes), we have 4 vehicles and no car payments and 3 of our kids attend a private Christian school, the rest are homeschooled.  We have everything we need....my kids have more than enough clothes and toys, they have fun and they have responsibilities.  I'm sure there are times they wish they had more of my attention,  but then they slways have extra attention from their sisters that other kids wouldn't have.  They fight, sure, but they also stick up for each other.  We are proof that it is possible to live a good life, with all the kids you are blessed to be given by God and not have to work three jobs, be in debt and never happy because someone always has nicer things.  Too many people can't imagine this working because they've never been taught how to live within their means.  And they have no rock to cling to and depend on...our Lord Jesus Christ.  There will be a day, I believe soon, when our family will be gone....vanished.  And all of those left behind will realize that maybe we weren't crazy after all.

Frida 4 years ago

I love the Duggars family. Just a personal opinion. When I was reading their stories, I felt their loves for one another. Go Duggars!!

X-Men 4 years ago

No, go to hell Duggars and all the likes of u and ur worshippers!

Terry 4 years ago

They may not be on the public dole, however we are supporting them every time we watch one of the specials on television and for that reason I will not be watching another one. All I see is the older children having all this responsibility heaped on them at a young age. No time for a childhood of their own, always looking out for someone else. Very selfish of mom and dad.

Soph 4 years ago

global warming, that's all I have to say.

well, not quite. Duggar girls, if you're reading this, CUT YOUR HAIR AND PUT ON SOME PANTS!!!!!

southrnbelle 4 years ago

Looks to me like the Duggars gave birth to quite a large staff of slaves!

These barbarians should be imprisoned for child abuse!

Did Jim Bob mention that he doesn't pay property taxes on that 7,000 sq. ft. house of theirs because he's had it declared a church?

Pathetic.

louri 4 years ago

I am sorry but I cannot stand the Duggars.

I think it is wrong the way the hand of all the babies to the older children. Then they have a 17 yr. old making lunch for almost 20 people and an 18 yr old making dinner. These kids have to clean, and raise the younger ones. They have a strict schedule. When are they allowed to be children? When do they play? This reminds me of a cult. It seems these kids are instructed on when to smile, laugh etc. When you look in the Duggars eyes they all look vacant.

What I would like to know is what is going to happen if something happens to the parents? What is going to become of the children? Foster homes. Or did the parents will the younger kids to the older kids? These children do not have a normal childhood and never will. I don't mean material things either. I mean making friends, going to college (how will they afford it) going and playing baseball or going on dates.

What really gets me is that I have watched all these specials. It sickens me that if any of these children want time with a parent, they have to go to the kitchen and "make an appt" by writing it down that they want more time with a parent to discuss something.

This is just a sad family. I feel sorry for these kids.

Ricca 4 years ago

I want to say that your comments about the Duggar family are hateful and disturbing. I know we are allowed to our opinions to just about anything, but why say such harmful things that would just crush someone's feeling's. This family is as wholesome and pure as is Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. At least they aspire to be (like him) each day of their lives. If everyone in this world were like them in any way, this world would be a much more peaceful place to live in. As far as their choosing to have as many children as the Lord will allow, they should be able to. The Lord knew what he was doing when he chose them to have as many children as they do. To them, the more the merrier. May the Lord bless you with a peace of mind and peace in your heart someday soon {you just have to want it and claim it). The Duggar's are not freaks, they are a breath of fresh air.

Proud to be a christian!

Dyann 4 years ago

Does anyone really know what goes on behind closed doors?

Kids not allowed to socialize with other other kids in the outside world. Parents don't want tv in their home yet don't mind promoting themselves and their kids on tv, reaping from the freebies. I blame media for this but on the other hand the parents are hypocritical. Why is this family being glorified anyhow? Many large families out there and they don't put themselves in the limelight.

Sonya 4 years ago

The Duggars are my heros...I respect their beliefs and I think they are Great. I myself have 9 children and 6 angels . Who knows ..my husband and I may have more ourselves. :D

Snowy 4 years ago

Can't wait to read the tell all memoir written by the Duggar girl who escapes the compound. Should be an eye opener!

ElDiablo 4 years ago

i love how all the "christians" defend them with quotes from the bible. STFU losers, these guys are completly creepy and all you who agree with them are brainwashed your damn selves. when i first saw this article it made me sick. i wanted to burn their compound to the ground. and why did they have to name em all with J,s same as the dad and grandpas first initial i know but 18 Js gimme a F'n break. also, teaching your kids to only hang out with other "approved" christians seems like a really bad idea. in the real world we have to deal with all sorts. some good, some bad but

ElDiablo 4 years ago

i love how all the "christians" defend them with quotes from the bible. STFU losers, these guys are completly creepy and all you who agree with them are brainwashed your damn selves. when i first saw this article it made me sick. i wanted to burn their compound to the ground. and why did they have to name em all with J,s same as the dad and grandpas first initial i know but 18 Js gimme a F'n break. also, teaching your kids to only hang out with other "approved" christians seems like a really bad idea. in the real world we have to deal with all sorts. some good, some bad but thats

Jenjill 4 years ago

I worry about Christian fundamentalism in the US - it is no different from any other religion that practices such basic "truths".

Having so many children, in my opinion is selfish, ignorant and a blight on our planet. Why not adopt children who have no homes and give them a home?

The problem is that the family would indoctrinate them with their narrow minded views.

I am glad to be living is a truly democratic country - it is not the US

sweetrese78 4 years ago

Well, first of all, I think debating while calling names on either side of the argument isn't exactly mature.

Secondly, what does having a lot of children have to do with global warming? That has absolutely no congruency with the point. And over-population? The only people who say that live in a big metropolis. Have you ever driven anywhere besides a big city? You know....the country, where there is a lot of land.

Thirdly, the world talks about accepting different cultures. This usually seems to ring true unless it has to do with Christians and some sub-cultures within Christianity, like the Duggars practice.

Fourth, what is the big freakin' deal anyway if they want to have 1 or 25 kids? It's not our life, it's theirs. Whether they dress alike or not.....whether the women cut their hair or not....whether they homeschool or not.....does it REALLY affect your life that much? Maybe you should be honest with yourself and wonder why it bothers you to this extent to bash harmless people that you don't even know.

Lastly, look at our mainstream culture now. The teenagers now for the most part don't really have a focus in life. Their idea of exercise is moving their fingers to play video games. The majority of them haven't been taught morals by their parents. A majority of their parents actually rarely SEE their children.

Now look at culture 100 years ago. Most children had household duties and chores they had to accomplish daily. Most families were larger. More families established moral behavior as a GOOD point. More children stayed out of trouble. I'm not saying that every family was perfect, but I can guess that children grew up understanding responsibility more. They had better family ethics and work ethics. They knew how to survive in bad times. I doubt that my generation, (X,) or the following generations would know what to do in economic crisis or in an emergency situation.

I don't like it when non-Christians use expletives to make a point. And I don't like it when Christians quote the Bible to make a point. To use the Bible to make a point isn't going to turn a non-Christian to your viewpoint. All they are going to think is, "Crap, here comes some more mindless Christian jargon." Their mind automatically tunes out what you are saying. And the same goes for the cussing....that's definitely not going to get a Christian to see the secular viewpoint. It will only turn them off.

My point: I think that the Duggars have some things that we could learn. However, I think that some of it is a little extreme. I don't think that large families cause global warming or over-population. Most small families have 3+ cars and probably travel more than large families. Most large families have 3 cars max.

We have 4 children with one on the way. They are well-behaved, but still have a LOT of personality. I lose my cool with them. I'm not Martha Stewart. I hate cleaning, but I do it anyway. My children do have daily chores, which they often forget and I constantly remind them to do. We not only wear pants, but also shorts!!!! (SHOCKER) And we're Christians. (another SHOCKER) And I have a music ministry that goes not only to churches, but also to bars! (ANOTHER SHOCKER) We have two vehicles: one van that gets 18 mpg...ouch. And a used geo metro that gets 40 mpg that my hubby drives to work everyday. We pay our taxes. We homeschool. So we pay taxes for OTHER kids to go to school. wow. We aren't completely out of debt. We have a small credit card bill....very small which will be payed off this year. We have our van payment and two house payments. (one rental home where we used to live) So we aren't perfect, but we aren't CULTISH by any means. I think people use that word when they don't completely understand something.

I think a lot of large families are stereo-typed. I also think that they just need to be left alone to do what they want to do. Their children aren't a menace to society. What's the big deal? We just need to leave each other alone and get along with each other, regardless of our beliefs.

tired of violence 4 years ago

what's wrong with a girl/woman having long hair? My daughter has always had long hair and so have I (except as a child). We love our hair. My daughter went to PUBLIC school that had uniforms (k-8) and dress code (9-12) and she now (@19) dresses conservatively, for which I am eternally grateful (no pantiless, dancing on tables). Also, as far as children helping, my daughter is an only child and she always had chores and thought it was unfair that she had noone to share them with, but is a better adult cause I stuck w/them. (She is a great cook and knows how to change oil on a car.) I watch the Duggars cause I am sick of the violence/nudity and sex of other programs. The only thing I think crazy is the homeschooling. My grandmother had 12 children and they all went to school. (I only have the 1 cause that is all I got, maybe that's why I find the Duggars fascinating.)

Lisa 4 years ago

Yes, there are many large families including a local family where I live that do not plaster themselves in the media. The parents both work real jobs. The Duggars are using religion for selfish reasons. Twisting the bible. I really feel sorry for the older children for being born slaves. Intelligent, responsible humans use some sort of birth control. I canted stand people who work the system.

EA 4 years ago

If we shouldn't care if they have 25 kids, then why don't they just keep it to themselves. It seems like the so called parents are out to prove something with no regard to their children. It is so sad that these kids don't have friends to socialize with other than siblings. Their life is this compound they live on.

Ann 4 years ago

If they want to have 30 kids then fine, just keep it off the national TV. If they can really support and pay for all those kids, then they don't need the media. Jim Bob is a politician (can't stand politicians anyway) and knows how to work the system...using his family for his benefit. Anybody can get pregnant just like cats and dogs. It's the intelligent, responsible citizens that have some sense of control and don't just get pregnant because you can. "God" will give you kids at age 13 or younger...doesn't mean you should get pregnant every time you have sex. Humans should be above the intelligent level of animal instict. Saying if "God" wants to give you more kids is so rediculous....what would the world population be if no one used any birth control? This family makes me sick to see.

Andy 4 years ago

I have no problem with them living a Christian life, or being happy. The sole problem I have is the fact that they are giving ownership of their eighteen children to God. I think we have gotten to the point where it's obvious if you believe in God you should also realize that biology is a reality. I think that it is ignorant and irresponsible for a well-educated family to think that having eighteen children is perfectly fine. It is very well known that China is overpopulated, and obviously this is going to become a problem elsewhere sooner or later, so why hurry the process? It blows my mind that the obvious fact that more people equals more consumption equals more of a burden on the Earth that they believe God created for us is a non-issue in this household. I also have a huge problem with the parents delegating responsibility in raising the kids to the other siblinbs. I understand some of your comments that it is good they have responsibilities, and I agree. Kids need to have responsibilities. But, you have to remember, these are still kids! They deserve a childhood! I personally think homeschooling is very unfair to children. School with children other than your siblings is a necessary phase in childhood in today's world. It allows the kids to be without their parents, but still supervised, around other children, and allows them to develop communication and friendship with others outside of their own family. There are so many things I find wrong with this family, and none of them involve their faith, and I'm sure that is the same way a lot of others feel, so if you are arguing for this family, please, enlighten us to what you feel about the issues outside of the family, because to me, those are the most important in this case. You have to be conscious of others, and respectful of the Earth. I honestly see no way that in this case having eighteen children can be justified.

Tal 3 years ago

These people scare me. Everything about them screams, "CREEPY!" That man is raising his own personal cult. Their children all dress, talk, act, and think alike. They're completely brainwashed. No individual identities. It's sad that such beautiful kids that could be so much more than tools of the Church will never be more than part of something - part of the boys, part of the family, part of the cult, part of the religion. They have no individual identity and no hope to develop one whilst inside that border. What a waste.

Camille 3 years ago

I do not think there crrepy, but I do not believe everything they show us. NO family is this perfect and no family should be this perfect. The kids to me seem like little drones instead of being creative and unique which each human being is. I would like to see these children have their opinions than just mimic parents views on EVERYTHING. The children seem to be on this schedule and what about being spontaneous and going outside of the box!

Vero 3 years ago

The shows about the Duggar family is basically just another reality tv show. Considering some of the appalling reality shows out there I find the Duggar's probably the least offensive and if you do not like them then don't watch the show. Everybody is entitled to live their life the way they want to and worship they way want to. I am not a fan of fundamentalist christianity but I don't hold that against a person unless they try to force their beliefs down my throat (then I tell them to research the council of Nicea when the books for the new testament were chosen and edited removing all references to reincarnation except one "he who was elijah will come again"). The Duggar's seem nice enough, I may not agree with them on everything they do or some of their attitudes towards equality in the home for both sexes but I do not walk in their shoes and it is not my place (or anybody elses) to judge them. If they are doing a bad job one or two of those kids (at least) will rebel and write a tell all book that we will all devour and many will disagree on. Worry about something that applies to your own life not the Duggar's. As for accusing them of damaging the enviornment by having so many kids you forget that there are alot of DINK's out there (double income no kids). So if you allot 2.5 kids per couple my DINK friends and I can cover 15 kids that we did not have that the Dugger's took care of having, plus 2.5 of their own so with the 18th child on the way they are only over the quota by .5 of a child. And I'm sure there are some other DINK's out there willing to give them their 2.5 kid allotment so she can keep producing until her uterus prolapses or menopause hits!

Mathew 3 years ago

Just add guns and yell Wacko

Kaz 3 years ago

I grew up as the eldest child in a family of five children, and though this does not seem very large, I had to bring up my siblings as my mother seemed to pumped out each child with little thought of the future. As an adult, I am very glad now to have my siblings, who are my closest friends, but I must say that my mother was an overwhelmed, younger sort of mother, who could not always be relied upon - hence I was a mother figure to all of my siblings. I came to resent it - not my siblings, who couldn't help it, but my parents who thoughtlessly birthed child after child without really thinking of the fact of having to look after these children. Trust me, elder children who grow up having already looked after baby upon baby can't help but feel like they've lost something because of it. I'm in my thirties now and can't stand the thought of having children. I've done that already for my parents. Every time I look back over photos of myself as a child and a teenager, there's a baby on my hip.

Kaz 3 years ago

I should also add that the neighbour's children, younger than myself, were also neglected by their parents, and were basically brought up in our family (or me, who they looked up to). Most times around the house there at least six other children for me to look after.

Missie 3 years ago

GOOD GRIEF!!!!! Leave the poor family alone!! what have they ever done to you all! they are not creeps, they are not a cult and they are not penecostals. They happen to be Southern Baptists as am I. And so what if the girls don't want to cut their hair, and so what if they don't want to wear pants, is it hurting you! Think about it...if you had 18 kids wouldn't it be a little hard figure out which pants were the guys and which pants where the girls?? And I have seen a couple of them in pants! And when you live on a certain amount of land you can consider it and farm and it can be a tax deductible, not a tax exemption. So what if they recieve freebees, they didn't go begging to anyone for them. The only reason they are on national T.V. is to spread the love of Jesus Christ. You people are clearly misisng the message that they are trying to give you. They are a loving and sweet family, the only reason they seem perfect to some of you is because they have the love of God whitch gives them the strength to stay patient and persevere through life. I'm sure they would tell you that they are far from perfect. And as someone mentioned, CHILDREN ARE A BLESSING not a hindrence, and they are not hurting the invironment! The kids are not slaves, when you live in a large family you have to help out to keep everything running smoothly. I come from a large family and we all know that we have to do our part! I also don't believe in birth control and I hope i am blessed with as many kids as them. You people who bash them seem to be jealous of their happy family.

Kate 3 years ago

If every woman who had a miscarriage made the decision to keep every child and get pregnant as often as 'god' intends, how long would it take for the human race to have serious food shortages? How much of the other species homes would have to be destroyed even further to support us? Why does this family think they're special. I think it's disgusting and should be against the law. And to bring your children up brain-washed and deluded with a terrible fear of hell if they put a foot wrong. Why don't they try reading a science book instead of the bible at the dinner table and learn something useful.

Ignorance is religions best friend. These children will grow up ignorant of life, the world and where they came from, and they will think proliferate breeding is expected and good.

Esther 3 years ago

"Saying there is too many children is like saying there are too many flowers" ~ Mrs. Duggar

I agree 100%.

debbie herrman 3 years ago

I say have tlc broadcast a show that has mre.dugger doing all the work a mother

with children should. bathe dress feed diaper etc with no help from the older

kids . she wouldnt last a week.

commenter 3 years ago

they are not christians. they are part of the mormon religion. mormons believe that you must have so many kids in order to advance to the different levels of heaven. the need to have "spirit children". its a duty.

S 3 years ago

They're weird. There's no need to debate it. Society tends to conform and move toward what is 'normal' (whatever that may be). By any standard, in this country or others...THEY'RE WEIRD!!! Fine, they're Christian, SO AM I...it's still WEIRD!!! There's no need to feel like they're being picked on...they put themselves out there and are availing themselves to criticism... We're simply doing what they've allowed us to do. They're good people, good parents, good children...that's all lovely and I wish them no harm, but....THEY'RE STILL WEIRD!!!

katrina and Jason 3 years ago

Well what do you say about the duggar family??hmmm We are not Usa folks yet we are folks from Australia, and are being bombed by the duggar family on our paid TV, yeah you dont have to watch it some may say, yet my goodness how can you not? its not just scary to think that a family has so many kids, yet the scary thing is, everyone of those children are a carbon copy of their parents!

Thats the scary part, we are a family of 5 grown children, and raising them was a task on their own, making sure their needs were met, and allowing them to grow within guildlines, so that when they reach adulthood they have the tools to make choices for themselves good or bad, yet look at the children of the Duggars, I can say that not one of them has their ownself, eachone is a carbon copy of the parents, the girls, want to grow up to be a stay at home mom with a large family, my goodness, were are their true dreams, like growing up to explore their roles in this world? look something that makes me think this is scary is, if you the Duggars were living here in Australia, like you are there, with your children running around all wearing the same cloths, having to attend school at home, and attend your own home church, our goverment would be investergating them, because in our eyes, thats not allowing your children to have free choice, here in Australia, we addmire parents that show guildance, are actively involved with their children, yet making carbon copies to have only the parents beliefs systems, act like them and so on, nope sorry duggars you would be regarded as a cult here in Australia, and your children would be taken from you. God Bless those that show that all great and small have the right to develope ones own choice in life.

Aussie Chick 3 years ago

In response to Katrina and Jason - I'm from Australia and I completely DISAGREE with everything you've mentioned!

Praise God for the Duggars! Praise God for the gift of children! Praise God for everything!

WOO HOO! Duggars rock!

God continues to bless the Duggars in abundance because they are good and faithful servants who are obedient to His word.

katrina and Jason 3 years ago

Well I didnt ask for your acceptance all I said was, Were is each childs right to be themselves without the mainstream programming of their parents and the belief system they have programmed into these children, this truely makes me realize is how narrow minded some are when they start programming babies from birth to accept and live as them, a child is so easy to program, monkey see monkey do, so to speak.

And as far as beliefs go and following the right path, gee what is the right path, so many have different versions of it, I feel the teaching of a christian ,is to develope, guild and nuture that child into being able to be all they can be, not carbon copies of their parents let them grow and develope their own way of thinking not that of others, when you as a parent dont, or christian then you are not living a good path you then are in it for ones own self not that of your children.

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Linda 3 years ago

I totally agree with Katrina and Jason, these parents of so many children are creating duplicates of themselves, what I have seen is each parent is living their lives through each and every child in the family. One thing that disturbs me is how false the reality they are exposing their children too, life isnt about having heaps of children, home schooling, and building a home church plus being a reality TV family, and teaching them all to live it. Life is about nuturing, teaching scocial interaction, not just with siblings and church members, yet cultures and beliefs of others, interaction with a real world good and bad teaching them, boundries and respecting themselves, therefore being able to have respect for others, yet how can you teach a child self respect when you live your life through your children, how can you think thats the lord's plan, that to me is a ego's plan, one that only see's what it wants to see, like 17 plus children made up of big and little michelle's, and Jim Bob's sorry thats not the lord's plan for us, yet I salute them for the well mannered children they are, and getting them to help within a family unite, yet the stage they have their children at to me is nothing short of brain washing. I know this if I was raised in the same manner, maybe somewhere down the road, I would harbour some restment towards my parents, for making me accept only what they beleive, that to be is bad parenting. And why do ego's of man and woman have to quote verses and knowledge of the bible and teach this, when they dont understand it to begin with just like many religons out there.

katy 3 years ago

Im sorry, but watching this family gives me the creeps. Really. They are the most bizarre people. Their children have no personality of their own. All of them are programmed robots. All they ever do, is chores. And if its not chores and looking after the young ones, they read the bible with mother and father. Dont even get me started on the michelle. The only reason she is having this many children is because she believes that god wants all females to pop out as many babies as humanly possible before they die. So naturally, her being the good little christian she is, she's doing her damn best to not let god almighty down. " saying that there are too many children is like saying there is too many flowers"...........mhm......riigghttt. Ugh. Seriously. SO DISTURBING.

katrina and Jason 3 years ago

Totally katy you have won me on that comment, Good christian and God's will to be blessed with having so many children....yeah Right, Dont people know about how their bodies work, more so for this family to be given some education on whats real, to start with, its not God's plan nor blessing it bacis human function, known fact the more children you produce, the higher the fertility, and if your having unprotected sex, well really what will happen? yep you all guessed it you get pregnant simple fact not a blessing yet plain simple science..... yet Michelle darling if you take the chance to ever read this, Are you aware that you place yourself and your future unborn babies at greater risk if you continue to produce children, as you become older the higher the risk of having a down's sydrome child with a higher risk of you having problems, Along with many other problems that can accure, yes to be given the role of parenting is a honour, as some people cant have children, having children and teaching them to be productive, and to help develope their personalities to guild them teach them how to be all that they can be, and when they are grown, and leave with a good well rounded upbring, that is when you can recieve or even say you as a parent are blessed, because you finally have forfilled your role as teacher, mentor,nuturers and last of all a co creator of the human race, thats the blessing when its all said and done, so Duggars, while you still have a chance open your eyes to the truth, and this shall set you free!

Eppy 3 years ago

It seems to me that the people that are so against this family come across as threatened by the Duggars' faith, devotion, and obvious dedication to one another, which I think is pretty sad. It may not be for everyone, but it's obvious to see that these children are happy, healthy, and enjoy a strong sense of themselves, and a strong sense of family. I would give anything at my age (mid -40's) to have siblings I felt close to and shared a history with. Contrary to what someone posted, I believe these children will actually have an easier time adjusting to adulthood- they've already learned some of life's most valuable lessons. I don't see any signs of neglect or lack of attention. It's my personal opinion that in general children from larger families are more mature, selfLESS, and well-adjusted. While I couldn't do it, I can't offer up anything other than encouragement to this family.

Linda 3 years ago

I dont think for one minute, others or myself are threatened in any way with the duggers large family, nor in their beliefs, for me I think that anyone that is so gullable and blind that place their trust in something that is purely a fare sighted thing like religon are not living a real human life, so to the reader that posted, NO I AM FAR FROM THREATENED BY THE DUGGERS I am concerned for the children becomming Religous Robots by the choice their parents have instilled in them plain and simple.

Eppy 3 years ago

I humbly disagree....the Duggars act boldly on their faith, and that can be intimidating, or threatening, to those that do not share faith or trust in God, which is far from a "fare sigted" existence. If you are a true Christian, you understand that a "real human life" is actually the farce or the practice run, whereas where you will spend eternity and who your Lord and Master of your life is the much more real and everlasting focus. Mankind is by nature fallen, and tries to deny the existence of God. You can ignore Him, but it doesn't make Him any less real....We are increasingly becoming a Godless society, and reaping what we've sown.

lover of myself 3 years ago

HALARIOUS! You know i have always thought it, but never thought to write about it. he whole world thanks you. I was jsut thinking perhaps everyone was dosed a special morning smoothie, with a hint of crack in it to keep them all so perfect.

I sure enjoyed reading your hub, thank you

Linda 3 years ago

Gosh how narrow minded are we when it comes to religon? So many place their most precious thing they own, Faith, Trust in something that really brings nothing in return, Like religon, I would class myself as a honest, truthful and compassionate person, I weep when I see uncaring acts upon others, I cry when I see children used as tools for others, yet am I a church going attendee? Nope am I a christian? that could be questioned by others that dont share my way of living. yet What I am is real, Religon is nothing more than a far sighted system of people that look for salvation and comfort in a teaching that is practised by controlling the masses with fear and lies, and this is done by handing over the most precious thing you own, YOUR FAITH/TRUST if people placed that faith in themselves and trust they could move moutians, they could change their lives for the better and not only that would be in the true power of God/Goddess yet again many follow like sheep looking for a fairy tale ending, and a acceptance of what they really are. For me, I know who I AM, and dont need the lies and Mumbo jumbo crap that religon spills.

Eppy 3 years ago

there's a reason that people mistrust mankind in general....because mankind in general is untrustworthy, fallen and broken. People are aghast when they hear stories of abuse/unkindness against one another, but the real miracle is that we behave as well as we do. God loves us when we are unlovable, and loves us perfectly, which we are incapable of ourselves. It's a misguided but common mistake to confuse "religion" with God. As soon as you put people into the equation, you have trouble and that has been true from the beginning of time.

Linda 3 years ago

Eppy, I dont mistrust mankind, that would be like me saying I dont need my brain to make my body work, what I am saying I dont beleive in the religous mumbo jumbo, of preaching and doing what some beleif system say I should, religon isnt living as god would want us, he wants us to be unprefect, like he is, after all werent we created in his own image, he wants us to make mistakes, he wants us to be good and bad, because only then can we truely know the father, and therefore know ourselves. its when we pretend to be something we are not, is when we dishonour what we are, And religon teaches us just that, to be something we are not, look I was raised as a baptish, I attended church while my parents became heavely involved in this way of life, and I can recall one time sitting in church looking around at the fakeness of others there, all pretending to be something they were not, good christian people, yet everyone had a hidden agenda when they left that sunday service, they all went back to back stabbing, cheating and so much more, to be honest I was the only one that was being real, I took from the plate, I questioned the service given, and I asked the many there, Why they pretend to be caring and nice, I was only 8 when I saw the true nature of what was real, and in the lords church people were pretending, to be something they were not, by listening to the sermon, and giving praise to me I sat through hours of lies, hours of untruths, yet all the time I really was hearing the real truth, and that was "be all that you are, for that is how I made you!

Eww 3 years ago

Remember the Stepford Wives? How about a Stepford Family! Right-wing, fundy, wackos!

I'm a practicing Christian, but these people are extremists...no different than extremists of any religion.

katandjas 3 years ago

Hahahaha, My husband said he stopped beleiving in what the church practised when he found out at 5 years old that father christmas and the Easter Bunny were'nt real!!

To be or not to be, that is the question! And for me, I choose not to be like the duggers practising and beleiving, that it is soley their responsiblity to populate the world in their own image, or better still building their own little kingdom, bound only together on their lack of taking real responsiblity to say enough is enough.

Michelle, get your tubes done, or send Jim bob off for the chop......You both have what you entended to get out of this, Media attention, free stuff etc..... stop being greedy, look up what is said about Greed in the Bible, and practise being Real!

mitsy12 3 years ago

It's pretty disgusting to continually read how being a "Christian" equals using no birth control, home schooling, and a bubble encased lifestyle. The Duggars make other Christians look bad because they have some pretty strange beliefs. Most Christians I know do not live this kind of lifestyle nor would they believe they are good Christians just because they have 18 kids. God gives people brains. It's obvious the Duggar's aren't using theirs. They are not trusting God with their sex drive, so why should they trust God to take care of having more and more babies? Because it's the older kids who are raising the younger ones. Get a clue people. This family is whacko.

katandjas 3 years ago

Whacko, hmmm I think they are pretty selfish more than anything. Its funny I saw on the tv the other week, a tv station interviewing the duggers for mothers day, , boy here was all the children looking just like their parents, ready to surpise Mum with some presents the children had picked for Michelle, complements of the tv station. Yet the surprise was on the children, Michelle told the children, they were having baby number 18, I will never forget the look on the face of the older children, more so the older son named John, his face said it all. It was the look of YOU GOT TO BE JOKING, and then Jim bob and Michelle commented with " the lord has blessed us with another baby, and we will continue to have children until the lord stops this from happening", gosh how funny and stupid was that comment? Lets pray for the older children that mother nature takes over and this is the final dugger that will enter this family, after all Jim bob just makes them, Michelle spits them out and the older children raise them, lets pray for the older dugger children, to give them the strength to continue parenting, be lets face it Jim bob and Michelle arnt doing it.

Lorraine 3 years ago

I think this family is weird on a lot of levels. I as a parent, want to spend as much one on one time as I can with my children. To just keep having babies and letting the oldest children take care of them is just sick. Children need affection and attention. This just seems like a strange cult. With that many children, how are they getting the one on one time that they need? Another thing is, how do they have time to have that much sex when they have that many children? Something is off.

Jason 3 years ago

I dont really think they would have lots of sex, after all you only have to have sex once and if there is no protection in place then the chance of having another child is very high, I agree with the comment made anout having one on one time with each child, in their wacko world they made think that spending alot of time home schooling and reading the bible with their children is one on one to them, who knows?

yet I am a father of 5 grown children, and Grandfather to two grand children, and I never have enough time in my life to have very much one on one time with them all, and yet I treasure the time I do have, all I can say is that these parents havent a stable foundation for these children with all the crap they beleive in, and maybe later in life they made just see this, when the youngest is 21 and the two parents are too tired and worn out to see what they have missed out on ONE ON ONE.

Sara 3 years ago

You people are all just silly. Who cares if they have any children. And by the way they probably dress the way they do because its cheap. People today are obsessed with clothes and the way we look, they don't seem to care. They aren't worldly like most of us. They are probably debt free because they don't do unessesery spending. All of you idiots who buy expensive cars and than wonder why they owe money. They believe that all children are a blessing, and that seems completley reasonable to me. None of you know what kind of stabibly they have. The Duggar family hasn't even aired that many shows. Whats sad is that most of us had shitty lives with only a few sibblings. I plan on having a ton of children and I'm pretty confident that I can raise them to contribute to society in a good way. Hey and guess what, I'm going to raise them to love God and love people.

lets not be a bunch of socialists.

Paulie 3 years ago

No one is saying that they don't love their children. Read the original comments. Despite the positives, rather than admiring them, which I would expect, I find them creepy. To each his own. And you don't know how anyone who has posted here lives. So you mind your manners.

normal 3 years ago

What is wrong with these people?! Ive been waching this pathetic example of parenting for some time now. I have yet to see the mother or "babymachine" hold or show any amount of affection to any of her children. It seems to me that the eldest children have assumed the parenting role. They have absolutely no social skills and it wouldnt surprise me in the least if every single one of them spent the rest of their lives on that remote peice of farm land. They are COMPLETELY alienated from American society. The reason the queen of this ant pile is always pregnant is very clear to me...SHE IS AN ATTENTION WHORE! It also bothers me that these people do not seem to care about the odds of producing a mentally handicaped child. They'd probably just hand it off to the next oldest child anyway.

Also, has anyone else noticed the similariities between these people and those polygamist degenerates in Utah?

katrina and Jason 3 years ago

Gosh are we silly people? this seems to be the comment made by Sara, well I didnt know free speech was regarded as silly, or the freedom to buy a fancy car if one so wants too,? and having tons of children is a act of freedom as well, yet as a free speaking human I have the right to voice what I to beleive in, and that maybe to disagree on the way these duggers breed and raise their children yet do I have the right to stop them? NO I DONT. yet am I silly or stupid to others out there that agree with the duggers way of life? NO I AM NOT because my fine folks that is their freedom to disagree. And about all this christian ways and so forth, I dont give a rats bum, if you are a god loving person or a heathen that is your right to beleive in what you want, I care for others not out of being a christian or following the good path of god, yet because we all have a common tread, that is we are all humans. And as a concerned human that see lots of children living in sorrow and starvation in parts of the world, the duggers need to count all their blessings, and take better responsiblity in guilding them not to be just a good christians, having large families, yet to be satisfied with what they do have, and not want more, and take a risk with a childs life or child to be life, and when you do have children dont expect others that didnt make the choice to have children help raise them and when the Parent duggers understand this that is when they will become true caring people (human)

Linda 3 years ago

Well good for you sara!!!!! You have heaps of children, raise them to love god and others, yet dont forget when your up too your arm pits in dirty nappies and screaming children, that it was your choice to breed these little humans and it isnt their responsiblity to care for eachother while your pop out more ok sweetheart, and while you teach them to love god and love others, just add to your long line of teaching to teach them the importance of being themselves and respecting and loving themselves, as this will better help them in life, and oh dont forget when your are so tired and wanting a break, that it will not be your older childrens role to look after their siblings while mum and Dad take a nap, after all you are to surrender all selfish thoughts and acts to ensure your children grow up to be themselves remember that Sara before you make a bold statement that you are going to have tons of children........think before one act lol

Rachel 3 years ago

I respect these peoples. I was only able to have one child. I had three miscarriages before I had her. I was lucky to even be alive after she was born. She is fifteen now. Don't judge people on having children. THey are a blessing.

linda 3 years ago

No one is judging these folks, we are all voicing our right to free speech nothing more, and having children is a blessing and for those that struggle with achieving this, more so. Yet there is some out there that just keep popping them out and dont understand that it isnt the responsiblity of their older children to help raise them, like in the dugger family, stop and think about it, when you have reached baby number 17 or whatever number, as a parent you will seek assittance from whoever to help make your job easier in raising them, like placing more responsiblity on the likes of the older children, yet is it fair to place this upon them? after all did they have a say into how many babies mum and dad want!

I am a mother of 5 grown children and when my oldest was 13 I was having my 5th child, it would have been easy for me to have got my older child to baby sit, change nappies and help with raising them, yet was it fair of me to place this demand upon my oldest child?, No it wasnt, so my oldest child was never made to change nappies, bath the younger ones, nor feed them, nor baby sit, or even be a buddy friend to them, He was allowed to be himself and now he is a fine computer programmer, not married and hasnt any children, and the question why he isnt married and have children, because one he watched how hard it was for his own parents raising him and his siblings, that he learnt that unless you are prepared to give up everything you disire in life, to devote your energy and time into raising a child by yourself or with a partner then dont go there, this is what all my children have learnt, and I am proud I didnt mold them all into having heaps of children and palmming them off onto others to raise, for when the time comes for them to have children they will all be ready to take full responsiblity for them..

Rambo 3 years ago

These people are sick. It is socially iresponsible to have that many kids. They should not be praised, rewarded, or scene as celebrities. This day and age to have that many children is signs of there own selfish need to be scene as good christian people and not a gift from god. Anyone who backs them is just as insane as they are. I hope all there kids write books on how horrible there parents are and someday they will be scene for what they are. A BUNCH OF FREAKS.

Wanda 3 years ago

OMG i had to turn the show OFF when the teenage boy asked his girlfriend to marry him and wouldn't even kiss her. I was so freaked out, If a fella asked me to marry him then refused to kiss me I would run the other way. That for sure is the creepiest family I have ever witnessed. I can't stand how stupid they are.

Paulie 3 years ago

I don't see that they are having children for the children's sake. Or even for the blessing that they are. I have one child and I chose that because I realized that financially and emotionally that was all I could handle. Also my husband was not supportive. When people have children beyond their emotional, physical, and financial means (not that they don't have money - I thought Jesus says be humble - but they don't mind exploiting their family and children for TV), then they simply should not have them. I do wish now I had more, but I know that I couldn't have supported more than the one.

Lucy 3 years ago

I come from a larger, christian family (6 kids) and the Duggars definitely weird me out. I realize that everyone comes equipped with different talents and gifts but I honestly don't believe that those parents can equally spread their love, time and attention out over that many needy human beings. Sure, they may be providing for them physically but are these kids getting the love and attention they deserve? I've seen it time and time again in large families where parents just get worn out. The younger ones are usually somewhat neglected emotionally and the older siblings are relied on more heavily. It happens in my family, though I think we are fairly functional for the most part.

What I appreciate most about my parents is that they have raised us to think. I'm the oldest and first to leave home and I still have an excellent relationship with my parents. This isn't because I was raised as a robo-clone or brainwashed, but brought up in an open, nurturing environment where I was encouraged to think freely and develop my own opinions on the world around me and how to live my life. When I see the Duggar children spewing out regurgitated lifestyle values and expressing their desires to have tons of children just like mom, it makes me upset with their parents for not giving their kids space to breathe and become their own people.

I'm also glad for the opportunities I've had to take part in the rearing of the younger siblings (the youngest is 2 in november) as it has taught me patience and responsibility. However, there has always been balance in that I had a lovely, carefree childhood where I was allowed to play and use my imagination. I think at least some of the Duggar children will break under the strain of such a rigid, scheduled lifestyle.

This is not to say that everyone should let their children run amock and abandon all moral concept. By all means teach your kids to be good citizens and human beings in general, but don't filter absolutely everything they are exposed to! My parents, instead of shielding me from the world's many unpleasantries, would expose me to them in a safe way by watching movies/tv with me and discussing our beliefs after. I think this is much healthier than just pulling the wool over their eyes. What happens when they leave their bunker-of-a-home and realize that the world isn't quite as rosy as it's made out to be? Or on the other hand, that it's not so wicked as it's claimed to be either and a lot of beauty and worthiness can be found in things that are new and different from what we regularly experience.

I'm so grateful for a lifestyle and opportunities I've had to experience different cultures, countries, and life perspectives. I've met wonderful people from all over the world who have enhanced my way of thinking by presenting me with ideas different from my own. I feel like my upbringing has made me a better christian in many ways because I am more tolerant and loving towards mankind in general than I would be otherwise. I only feel sad that the immense sheltering of the Duggar children will prevent them from experiencing these things and living their lives fully.

Wow. That was a lot longer than I initially intended it to be.

Paulie 3 years ago

Great story. You sound very lucky.

Steph 3 years ago

They are pitifully ignorant and patheitc. It appears they are trying to move back into time to the "cleaner way of life" that never really existed. The children are dressed like freaks, and live in an insular unreal world that exist only in the minds of the parents. I find them far more creepy than the fundamenalist latter day saint cults

Trisha 3 years ago

I think the fact that they are pure and devout Christians is the only thing I like about this family......I agree with another poster who said that the children don't seem very affectionate or don't recieve much affection as the infants. This is due to the fact that there are so many kids that none of them gets the personal attention, love and acknowledgement that they need from their parents---or even eachother. Think about it---by the time everyone got only one a hug a day from everybody, the day would be over and it would be time to wake up and start all over again.

These kids are going to be messed up. They live in a bubble world---and as a mother, I know how you wish you could protect your kids from sin and the bad influences of tv, media and other people...but making your kids only have friends who are their siblings....too strange. I mean they are so cut off from the world, that none of them seems to have a clue as to what even the "styles" are right now in the world. They look like Little House on the Prairie living in a mansion.

I am sure our tax dollars are going to support people like this. And I don't understand at all how they were allowed to deem their home a "church"...but that isn't an honest thing to do---especially for a family who is so religious and "strict." I have one child now and would love another but I am worried b/c the economy is so bad, and public aid only helps people who "lie" to get it, by saying they live alone when they really have two or three incomes....people who keep popping out kids because the more kids they have the lower their gov't healthcare or the higher their food stamps will get. Honestly I once saw a woman who had 900 dollars on her food stamp card---and she was wearing name brand clothes---things I can't even afford, but i still don't qualify for food stamps?????? I don't believe that the Duggars could afford their own healthcare for these kids. Who are they trying to fool?

I don't "unlike" this family, but when I watch them, I do find something to be a little "off" and it creeps me out. And for goodness sakes, someone fix the Mother's hair. She looks like she's in a cult---and she could still wear it long if it were just styled the right way.

srp 3 years ago

How interesting that this family generates so many heated comments.

To the "selfish parents producing slaves" arguement: these children will be able to run a household whether it be one or 10 when they leave the nest. They will be able to clean, cook and fix things around the home and have had great examples of living within one's means to guide them. They will know that the world does not revolve around them and are unlikely to run away from responsibility. Good for the parents.

To the "no personality/individuality" arguement: since when does manner of dress/hairstyle define one's personality? Would you say to someone who was raised in a Hindu household that constant exposure has rendered them a robot? I believe that the prejudice against Christianity is alive and well here. And it's interesting how if a non-religous family removed television from their home and raised their kids without it they would be applauded. I don't think this is different.

"Not enough affection/attention": it seems from the programs at least that this family knows their children quite well. They seem well adjusted. In a large family, there are more than enough people to give and recieve love. I highly doubt that is an issue.

"Not paying taxes": Would any single one of you turn down a legitimate tax break? I suspect not. And while I don't know about Jim Bob's push for no contraception, I suspect that it was a measure that could have been voted on. So don't vote for it. Unlike here in CA where gay marriage was made legal (a lifestyle choice like no contraception would be) without a vote from the people.

"Pimping out their family to the Discovery Channel and getting free stuff": So what? If you got half an hour a week to show people how you live and got some free stuff for it, wouldn't you? Why not? I'm all for it. You don't like it, don't watch. If people didn't want to see it, the Duggars wouldn't have gotten their own series.

It is refreshing to watch wholesome television like this, and I don't even have children. I wonder why people are so hateful. Maybe you should take a look into your own life and focus that energy into finding what you are missing. Good luck.

Sarah

srp 3 years ago

How interesting that this family generates so many heated comments.

To the "selfish parents producing slaves" arguement: these children will be able to run a household whether it be one or 10 when they leave the nest. They will be able to clean, cook and fix things around the home and have had great examples of living within one's means to guide them. They will know that the world does not revolve around them and are unlikely to run away from responsibility. Good for the parents.

To the "no personality/individuality" arguement: since when does manner of dress/hairstyle define one's personality? Would you say to someone who was raised in a Hindu household that constant exposure has rendered them a robot? I believe that the prejudice against Christianity is alive and well here. And it's interesting how if a non-religous family removed television from their home and raised their kids without it they would be applauded. I don't think this is different.

"Not enough affection/attention": it seems from the programs at least that this family knows their children quite well. They seem well adjusted. In a large family, there are more than enough people to give and recieve love. I highly doubt that is an issue.

"Not paying taxes": Would any single one of you turn down a legitimate tax break? I suspect not. And while I don't know about Jim Bob's push for no contraception, I suspect that it was a measure that could have been voted on. So don't vote for it. Unlike here in CA where gay marriage was made legal (a lifestyle choice like no contraception would be) without a vote from the people.

"Pimping out their family to the Discovery Channel and getting free stuff": So what? If you got half an hour a week to show people how you live and got some free stuff for it, wouldn't you? Why not? I'm all for it. You don't like it, don't watch. If people didn't want to see it, the Duggars wouldn't have gotten their own series.

It is refreshing to watch wholesome television like this, and I don't even have children. I wonder why people are so hateful. Maybe you should take a look into your own life and focus that energy into finding what you are missing. Good luck.

Sarah

Paulie 3 years ago

Perhaps and then some people grow UP and say they don't want any kids because they already spent their childhood raising their brothers and sisters. They will tell you they resented the housework and never having a childhood. Look at what's been happening in Utah. NOBODY knows what is going on in someone else's household...NOBODY.

Boston905 3 years ago

I have always felt these people are absolutely crazy. There is no way to love and nurture all of those children as they deserve to be nurtured. A couple of things that REALLY bother me:

1. Does Mr. Duggar have sufficient life insurance should the unspeakable happen? Anyone can keep getting someone pregnant. How will this family be provided for should he die? Have they even thought of that every time another "gift from God" is added to the horde?

2. The dating rituals of the oldest. Really irritated me no end. A chaperone was needed constantly. The couple were never allowed to be alone together, much less kiss. They could only hold hands and at times had to have a much younger sibling act as the chaperone. What message does that send to the young man? It basically is saying you cannot be trusted. What does it say about how he was raised? That they didn't do a good enough job teaching him right from wrong as it relates to how to treat a young woman on a "date". Terrible mixed signals.

I sure hope menopause kicks in real soon for Michelle. Of course by that time, the oldest will begin overpopulation activities of his own. Think of these irresponsible attitudes about family size X 18 (as of this writing). Good grief.

kat and Jas 3 years ago

Who cares if he has life insurance, frankly I am over this very strange family, yes they are strange, wheather others agree or not. All I have to say is, will it be a blessing when a child is born with major problems, , who then will the Duggers give thanks too?

I am sick of all the bullshit spoken about this christian's, beliefts systems and so forth. Anyone in my eyes that put a child or future child at risk by continueing to breed knowning all the risks involved with having a child in the latter part of a womans reproductive years, and ignores all advise given on what could happen and so forth, are not God loving humans, yet selfish ego driven humans, that dont know that their flower vase is full! And no more flowers can fit into the vase without causing some sort of damage to the new flowers being introduced into the vase, these parents are NOT CHRISTIANS Folk!

I beleive the ones that are real christians and treat all their children with the realness of life are Joh and Kate plus 8, I am watching them from now on, for they are real people, doing the best for their family......Go Joh and Kate plus 8 heheheheh

kathleen 3 years ago

Didnt Michelle dugger say "Having to many children is like saying there is too many flowers" or something to that effect?

yet really what a statement, to me she and husband are just trying to justify their inability to have self control thats all, too many children is like saying there are too many flowers, maybe they should consider opening a florist then, that way they can have all the flowers they want!!! LOL

johnny 3 years ago

do the math, in 5 generations with 18 kids per child there would be 1889568 children (almost 2 million extra people) For every 530 familys did this today one billion people would here in 5 generations. If we all adopted the dugger life style in 25 years we would have over 2 trilion mouthes to feed. hope your in the mood for soylent green.

sickened 3 years ago

I know they get paid to do TV specials and shows. I don't understand if they aren't allowed to watch TVs and such why they are allowed to be recorded. Also, they never seem to have much emotion. You watch Jon & Kate and the kids scream and you see the parents stress. But then you see the Duggars...yeah, that's off.

fancy 3 years ago

I think that it is their business if they want to have multiple children. There are many other people living off the taxpayers, such as foreigners who pay no tax to live in the united states. I'd much rather pay for people who have class and will more than likely grow up to offer our country positive influences!

Linda 3 years ago

What is positive about teaching your off spring to breed like rabbits do for any country, with the way the world is going these days, with global warming, food crisis, not to mentions the economic structure, how can this big good for any country? I beleive china has the right idea, one child families, due to the country not being able to cope with a very large population now, they took steps to do something about it, gosh what would michelle and Jim bob do if they were told by the government no more children?, oh I know, they would encourage their off spring to carry the torch for them......lol now folks just think how would that effect the world cirisis? hmmmmm

RD 3 years ago

The author is complaining that these people are actually saying and doing exactly what they say they believe in. How many other so called Christians practice what they preach? See Christians can't win against these snobs- if they fail as humans usually do, they are hypocrites but if they actually achieve some success at living the gospel they are labeled mindless robots. Being a Christian means recognizing the example of Christ and setting these high goals for oneself and just because we fail to acheive all of them doesn't mean the goals were not worthy. Our only choice is to ignore the self-absorbed snobs and continue to strive towards being more like Christ. We are not surprised that those who have not set such goals would criticize those who do, it has been that way since the time of Moses.

Kat and Jason 3 years ago

My goodness what is wrong with you so called christians, my goodness you band together like a swarm of flies when one is challenged or someone is saying that they may not agree with what is being said or done by them (christians), You sit in your homes, stating you are christians and tell others that dont agree with the duggers not to judge them, my god who is Judgeing who? hmmm

And for all the church going christians out there, that believe we are to follow chrisit's teaching "wake up and smell the coffee, we are humans created in the image and eyes of God what is that saying folks?, god takes the same form as us, he thinks like us, he has fualts like us, he is negative and positive, he is us, not some image that looks like us and then behaves like some astral angelic being, shit stop teaching bullshit and stop judging us because we dont think as you all do, and for gods own sake stop lying to yourselves and seeing us as against the duggers, we are just stating the normal way some out there think, and that is the duggers are weird in their thinking, about having a larger than large family, and the way they go about doing and raising their brood, simple, as far as them personally I dont know them, I dont know if michelle has inner thoughts, dreams, plans and the same with jim bob, so I dont judge them on them personally, I just have a opion on how they are shown to the world, and that is a erratic over breed, religous family.

kat and Jason 3 years ago

Evan, to begin with let me say, I find all christians ready to defend and challenge all people that dont beleive in the same thought process of themselves, you are doing that now, by questioning me on what I have written, so point one I said correct, all christian gather like a swarm of flies when they are challenged, now about a none religous person or persons having a larger than large family, would that be excepting to me, personally to me I dont give a crap, yet if they showed themselves on a reality Tv, having a great brood and continue to pop them out handing them over to the other children to raise, yep I would state my opion thats a fact, because if a person places the most important thing to them for others to see on tv, then expect others to have a opion on them simple, now about my intrest in christians and religous topic's, I am saying this, two many christians or ones that state they are run around creaming out to others, about others that dont share their beleifts are judging and to stop it, look at yourselves find out who is judging before you re-act to the treads, go through the countless responces and read how many, state we (none christians in their eyes) are judging, when truthfully all we are doing is saying how we see and feel about the duggers,

The duggers show to the world that they are christians, yet I question then what religion that they are living by, because real people dont put their family on TV and continue to have babies after babies and hand them off to others (children to raise) that isnt normal thinking thats what I define as NOT NORMAL Evan, and as far as intrest in religion, I cant stand countless humans hidding behind a beleift system that is utter crap, because if it was true, then why isnt their christ like humans running around the world healing the world of all is problems? oh thats right you are all waiting for the second comming of christ., sorry Evan thats why I am intrested in religion, because I cant beleive how stupid some people are......pffft

kat and Jason 3 years ago

oh Evan you asked me weather I read your tread about gay rights I dont have to ok, because I know what problems a gay person faces every day my oldest son is gay and I know the struggle, and its all because of religion and erractic narrow minded Christians, people that claim they are christian loving humans, I know all too well about gays wanting equal rights, and if we stood one day against religion the main stream one, then maybe the world would be what the good word wants us to be, real Christ humans.

Boston905 3 years ago

Did anyone catch the show this week which was a repeat of the engagement episode? This family is doing such a disservice to their children. Josh has never dated anyone; he proposed to this young woman after only spending a limited amount of time getting to know her. Now he thinks he is COMPLETELY in love and ready for marriage. Same for her. All it is is their natural hormones raging. Josh seems about ready to pop out of his skin because of it and he has been allowed no release other than to hold her hand. Good grief.

I personally think it is terrible to enter into a marriage knowing so little about the other person's personality, likes & dislikes, views, etc. They talk about how this will be a once in a lifetime decision/event and I think it is tragic that they are both so ill prepared for it. The producer asked one of the preteen girls if, when the time came, she would be open to dating (meaning going out with more than one boy) versus the whole [creepy] courtship ritual. Her response was typically scary in that she would never even CONSIDER dating a variety of boys.

The Duggars are living in the 18th century with regard to courtship and marriage. I don't wish them ill but the odds of true marital happiness for all these children is dismal.

bella 3 years ago

There's nothing creepy about having a large family, its how they live thats' creepy. Its like the mother's only purpose is to have children, and they all smile and act like absolutely everything is OK , all is fine, nothing in life is perfect, especially with a large family. The babies never seem to cry or get chaotic, no child ever seems to express an original opinion, its like their brains have been deadened. And then I hear they're part of Quiver Full "religion" and that is all kinds of creepy

kat and Jason 3 years ago

Evan, it makes it really hard not to place all christians into the one pot, for the reason when someone finds God again or whatever, they do tend to continually say what they beleive is correct, and do tell others not to judge, this is what gets my hairs to stand up, truthfully, I have nothing against others beleiving in whatever, I just cant stand it when I hear those christians say DONT JUDGE when we are not, like you wrote christians have the right to opinions and yes they do, just as we are, Judging is when no matter what in your eyes they are judged to have done wrong, with the duggers its not that they are being judged by the likes of others like me, rather we are stating, This family is creepy and showing to the world they are a strong christian family with strict Religous boundries, that are not to us normal and therefore we are questioning that all what and how they live, after all you tend to agree with if you dont want the world questioning how you live, then dont agree to placing your family on TV, yet you know I thank the duggers just for that, because what they beleive and how they live, only helps me to say "you know I did a great job raising my family of 5, because they all have the tools to handle what life dishes out, without the falseness of a strict religous beleift system.

Marsha  3 years ago

A freind of mine just told me about this Duggar Family. I have not personally seen the program. But I am shocked at the venom that I have read coming from some of you people who have posted here. What is it about people that they have to tear others down that seem to have it together? What is wrong with a family that is happy? What is wrong with a family that believes in God? What is wrong with a family who loves children? What is wrong with a family that wants to homeschool? What is wrong with a family that has figured out how to live debt-free? The only thing I figure for why so many of you have the need to tear these people down is because they threaten your own life-style and beliefs and so to pull yourself up and be superior, you have to tear them down. Why can't you look at them and draw some lessons from how how they live and try to make some improvements in your own life instead of ripping them to shreds? This is pathetic.

kat and jason 3 years ago

Again, another jumps on the band wagon, claiming others are attacking the duggers, boy dont some have some lessons to learn, and as far as What is wrong with the duggers questions asked by last tend, well friend nothing apperently thats the statement you made! well being you havent seen the show, take sometime and veiw it, then post what you see and feel, yet remember not to judge, just view your opinions.

Evan I see we share a intrest, that is its is a pity some parents out there dont understand the guildance given when raising a family that is to trust, honour that they too have a brain and thoughts and if they make choices you dont agree with, then dont judge them because of it this is how I have raised my children, give them options and sit back and waite for them to work out which one is best for them, thats real parenting thats what I beleive anyway, yet with the duggers I dont see this being so, yet maybe after the tv camera's are gone maybe this might be done, who knows, yet I doudt it after all what they show to the world is what they do, after all trying to keep up a act would be very differcult wouldnt you think?

kat and jason 3 years ago

yes it makes you wonder if they are being paid for the show, most likely they are, really who wouldnt ask for money after all nothing these days is for free, and no matter what they follow in their christian life style I bet the duggers get a nice slice of the pie, and that brings me to this question, would they regard it( the money) that is as a donation to their church which they hold in their own home, therefore pay no tax on a non profit org or are they honest people and declare the monies as a income and like everyone pay tax?

Also here in Australia some non profit orgs get a grant from the government, is it the same in the states?, and if so do you think the duggers would recieve it, being they are on reality TV?? Many questions, yet alas no truthful answers, well not from the Duggers that is!

amanda 3 years ago

LOL....HOW FUNNY IT IS TOO READ ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT THIS VERY STRANGE YET, PROVEN BY THE LENTH OF THIS DISCUSSION BOARD, EQUALY FASCINATING FAMILY! PERSONALY, THE DUGGARS JUST PLAIN CREEP ME OUT... AND HERE IS WHY...I LOVE CHILDREN! IHAVE 6...6 AND UNDER! AND YEAH,IM SURE SOME OF YOU THINK IM RUIINING THE OZONE LAYER AND AM PLAIN CREEPY MYSELF....BUT , THE THINGS IS.....I HAVE MY CHILDREN, AND THEY ARE JUST THAT,,,,CHILDREN! THEY ARE SPOILED ROTTEN....ALL HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTHERS....HANGING FROM THE BANISTER....RUNNING AROUND MILK MUSTCHES....PLAIN...EVERYDAY(THOUGH I THINK THEY ARE ALL SPECIAL) CHILDREN....OUR HOUSE IS ALWAYS CHAOTIC....AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT...YOU WILL HAVE SOMEONE HAVING A MELTDOW OR A TANTRUM......WHERE IS THAT IN THE DUGGAR HOUSE????????? WHY IS EVERYONE SO WELL BEHAVED?????? WHY ARE THE KIDS SO CLEAN????? WHY IS THE HOUSE ALWAYS SO CLEAN????? WHY DOES MOM NEVER NEED A BREAK AND FOR THE LOVE OF LIFE.....HOW IS IT THAT PARENS OF THAT MANY CHILDREN NEVER FIGHT?????? THERE IS SOMETHING JUST NOT RIGHT ABOUT THIS FAMILY........I THINK THEY NEED TO LET THERE KIDS BE KIDS...AND MAYBE HIRE A FEW NANNIES AND LOOSE THE BUDDY SYSTEM....MAYBE THEN THE OLDER KIDS COULD HAVE FUM AS WELL.....

Anon 3 years ago

I just don't like how she's the mating machine. Its just like the family guy episode "vigina junction, whats your function?" "Taking in sperm and spitting out babies." Thats exactly whats she is and it seems like she never has time to recover. I'm glad that they are happy and that they have raied 17 godly soldiers and another out of the shoot. Idk... I just want to know if they really know each of their children individually. if Jinger was upset would her mother really notice... oh yeah I forgot No one is ever sad in that family.

RosaRosa 3 years ago

While the Duggars have placed themselves in the public eye, I don't believe they deserve the harsh criticism Amanda has dished out. No one really knows what really goes on in the Duggar household, but it is apparent that this family is at least decent, well-behaved members of society. I would have never considered having 18 or even 9 children, but respect Mrs. Duggar's decision, her attitude about her faith and her abilities. I think more attention should be paid to those men who have several children and fail to provide and care for them unlike Mr. Duggar.

The issue of a buddy system is not unusual and not "unfair" as many families manage their households where the older, more responsible children look out for their young siblings, do housework and are expected to love and protect one another. Once again, we don't know the finer details of the Duggar household, and aside from what is presented, it isn't really anyone else's business. I am sure we all we would be seriously criticized for how we run our homes, discipline our children and care for one another if we permitted the media into our living rooms. After watching the Nanny shows, viewing the Duggars on TV was refreshing. And for those who criticize the hair and dress of the Duggar girls, I am sure there are many people throughout the world who don't think walking around half-dressed is appropriate, dressing a lot like streetwalkers is desired and spending money that you don't have on clothes that you can't afford is smart. Every young girl n the US does not want to look like Beyonce or Brittany.

Mitsy 3 years ago

Tiger1981, the Duggars are not Pentecostal. If you did the research, you'd find that they are Baptist. There are different variations of Baptist, some being more conservative than others. Many "independent" Baptist churches tend to be the most conservative of all the branches of Baptists. "Southern" Baptists can range from liberal to conservative, but it reallly depends on the individual church. If used to attend a Pentecostal church several years back, but my basic background is Baptist, so I know a thing or two about which I speak. Pentecostals do NOT preach about not using birth control. You will find that the majority of Pentecostals see nothing wrong with birth control. However, they do not usually wear any kind of makeup (which Michelle and some of the older Duggar girls wear). Most Pentecostal women do not cut their hair, but they also wear it up instead of free-flowing. The United Pentecostal Church basically believes that only UPC people are "saved". Many Baptists think that Baptist is the best way to go, but many do not believe that only Baptists are saved. I'm not against church or people who believe in God, but I am against people who mindlessly breed and try to label it as part of Christianity. The Duggars offer nothing to society as a whole except filling landfills with thousands of diapers. Like another poster suggested, we never hear of them helping out people less fortunate, only how they are prego with another one and are going to have another TV special on Discovery or TLC. Truly makes me want to vomit.

cmdh 3 years ago

I think the creepiness factor comes from the inconsistencies. Truth be told, they don't practice what they preach.

They want to have 18 children, that is their choice - or God's as they see it.

They want to teach their children personal responsibility - they should practice this and not hand off the younger ones as buddies. Helping in a large, or small family is a good thing. Having a buddy (or two) when you are only 12 that you are responsible for their studies, hygiene, cleaning your assigned part of the house each day...That's where the line is crossed. This is where the parents are no longer running the show, they are passing the buck.

They do not wish their children to watch TV or be over exposed to secular entertainment. Guess what Jim Bob & Michelle...you have just MADE everyone of your children secular entertainment. They will never have the blessing of being able to go into public to work or go to college in any relative normalcy. They will be hounded by the press and gawked at. You did this. You invited this in and it will never stop. You cannot have it both ways.

As for dressing the kids the same way...c'mon...I'm all for thrifty, and I dressed my boys alike when they were all under 7...but if they don't think that dressing their 17yo son in a matching outfit as his 4yo sister is unfair, they are really out of touch. I'm all for modest. I get the dockers and polo shirts. Just let them mix and match their own colors for crying out loud. There aren't that many combinations.

Lastly, your oldest son has just been married. You have taught him well. He is a good man. Be his family, but let him live his life. The welcome note on your webpage said you were looking forward to being grandparents! What about what the young couple wants. They haven't been married three months yet. This just adds to the creepy factor.

So, in my opinion, these are a few of the just over the top and/or hypocritical issues that get to people. It then opens the door for all the other ugly stuff.

cmdh 3 years ago

Sorry, I did want to add that (as another poster had mentioned) I soundly believe that God would smile on the Dugger family if they chose act as foster parents. To open their hearts and home to a child in need is one of the most selfless, awsome gifts they could offer. The rewards to the child would be unspeakable, however the experience for the entire Dugger family I belive would be life changing. I am not suggesting they stop having children. That is between them and their God...perhaps simply take a long enough break to allow time for this service to Jesus first, Others second, Yourself last...JOY (as is preached by the Duggers).

J page 3 years ago

It's a vi jay jay, not a clown car, they don't 'live off the government' but seeing as he worked for the man they enjoy the free healthcare.

awesomeabe 3 years ago

ha they creep me out too. Its like a trainwreck though I cant help but watch in utter disbelief. All that bible junk and their stupid names starting with J. For christ sakes the fathers name is Jim Bob. Someone needs to back a cargovan up next to their "pantry" with about 2000lbs of fertilizer and 20 gallons of gas.

anon 3 years ago

I think the family is creepy. Its creepy that the girls perm their hair and keep it long because "Dad likes it that way". Its also creepy that the girls have to wear skirts all the time, even when changing oil. These kids are totally unprepared for the real world. The engagement episode totally bothered me. Let Josh and Anna kiss for crying out loud. Poor things. Its a good thing they finally got married. Weird, weird family.

kat and jas 3 years ago

I have been reading the last few texts as I havent been on for alittle while, in the time off the site I have undergone big changes, I have just attended my stepson funeral as he was killed in a hit and run, and since then I read the treads and think how stupid this all really is, and here we are all voicing our own feelings in regards to the duggers, when really it doesnt matter if they continue to have child after child, and even raise them strange to the likes of others, the truth is they are a family no matter how weird they seem, and when you lose a loved one and now we have lost 2 sons in ten years family is so much more important than complaining about someone elses.

roddma 3 years ago

So many women cant have children. Nobody thinks of this. I guess I wont go to heaven since I dont have any. Any good Christian knows it is the Lord's will. A small family can be filled with love and a family with no children too.

roddma 3 years ago

So many women cant have children. Nobody thinks of this. I guess I wont go to heaven since I dont have any. Any good Christian knows it is the Lord's will. A small family can be filled with love and a family with no children too.

Really17? 3 years ago

Funny how I never have seen the Commandment that says "Thou shalt use birth control" or "Thou shall have as many children as thou can" I think the reason most people stop at 2,3 or 4 is common sense and probably the way God really wants it, if not then why is it abnormal to have such a large number of children?

Then again as a Christan I never suppose to know the mind of GOD.

Lisa M. in PA 3 years ago

Well, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand why these people are having so many kids, Every time she squeezes out another one, that mother gets tons of free stuff and the sponsors of the show pays for practically EVERYTHING in their lives! They are con artists using the system. I don't mean the welfare system, I know they are not on it, but they have figured out a way to ensure a life time of free stuff, no taxes, earned income credit forever, and a lifetime of constant travel: have a kid a year.

Michelle Duggar may be a nice enough woman but has anyone else noticed the stupid smile she has on her face CONSTANTLY? And she hands the baby off to one of the other kids to raise while she grows another tax deduction in her belly! Those girls are gonna hold that against her probably for the rest of their lives. I cannot believe that her doctor allows her to have kids like that constantly. Her body doesn't have a chance to heal between pregnancies, when she gets older she will have a prolapsed uterus. She is past 40 now and pretty soon her kids will start to be Downs Syndrom babies, and the others will have to take care of them and raise them! Oh, and they will receive SSi for the Downs Syndrom kids, so there is another free ride!

I think what they are doing is shameful. There comes a time when you have to do something, if you don't use some sort of protection (withdrawl even, or condoms) of course you are gonna get pregnant every time you turn around. You are more fertile for the first few months after giving birth so that is really when you should be watching.

The girls (some of them) are getting to be teenagers now and it looks like they are actually wearing a little makeup. They are getting to be pretty girls, they have perms and have braces (thousands of $$$ per kid) and even they act like they are fed up with the whole situation. They kind of roll their eyes when they talk about the "modest swimwear" that they have to wear and you can just tell that they think this lifestyle is off kilter! Now the oldest boy is married and I pray to GOD that he and his pretty little wife don't start this whole ball rolling again. Maybe they'll have more sense, or at least the wife will try to keep the population of Duggars under control in her own way!! Being pure of heart and following the Lord is all good but using it as an excuse to get lots and lots of free rides (tv shows, magazines, sponsors, speech circuts, etc.) is shameful.

Lisa M. in PA 3 years ago

Michelle and Jim Bob (nice name by the way) are nothing more than back yard breeders running a human puppy mill!!

Jaz222 3 years ago

My, My what is wrong with everyone lately, for goodness sake, so what if this woman and man have 50 kids, so what who cares I dont after all is it effecting me? NO, And as far as how they are all being raised, I AM NOT INTRESTED, they dont live under my roof, so should I have a reason to comment on them then? NO way, their lives dont effect mine in anyway, so why the hell should others be commenting then, are the duggers living with all of you on the site? Look people life is too short, like one writter wrote, so to all that have made it their business to speak about the Duggers, get a life!, make changes to your own nest before you comment on some body elses. For all out there, LIFE IS SHORT, go for a walk, or play with your own children, or better still talk to your own partner, dont sit on the computer typing treads on how weird someone elses life is, start living your own!

Pastor  3 years ago

Thank God for the Duggar family. Scripture says that Children are a hertitage of the Lord and are like arrows in the hand of God.

We all love the Duggar family, thank you for you being the salt of this earth.

Linda 3 years ago

Again someone is quoting words that another has written, personally I dont beleive the bible was written to take literally, children are blessings, just as all life is, yet I dont think we should be having children because the bible says so. The Duggers seem very steadfast in what they beleive, and live according to their belief, and I say good for them, do what makes you happy, yet to take the words in the bible and breed to the point, that you become a tv reality show, displaying your family to the like of so many, I dont think thats right, and I dont think it written to be ok in the bible eaither.

FromAbove 3 years ago

Do you know why they are different? It's because Jesus Christ is living within them and their family on a daily basis. Makes you curious uh? Well, why don't you look into it.

Linda 3 years ago

Ha,hahahaha FromAbove, was your comment meant to be funny, I thought it was ..heheheh, my question "look into what"? I am so sick of some over the top christian folks, not all yet some that make stupid comments like that.

Hey FromAbove are you saying that comment because you beleive I dont have Jesus christ work through me or he/she isnt in my life, because I dont act or live like the duggers?hmmmm Well let me refresh your narrow minded thinking, in what you think about me, to start with everyone has the christ spirit within them, every man ,women and child was created in the image of God, and everyone has a soul that is a part of God, the difference between you and me, is my christ spirit works humbly and looks for no attention, it doesnt have me judging, nor screaming from the top of my voice, the lords spirit works with me , and that is when another needs a hand, or a shoulder to cry on, or a compassionate ear, the lords spirit brings tears to my eyes and pain in my heart when I see so many suffer through the hands of others, or who are less fortunate than myself, and then I am given free will, the choice to help in whatever way I can.

So please next time to surgest another to "look into it", take sometime first to stop, and go within and ask your soul what you should do, rather than allow your ego to comment, many blessings FromAbove to you!!!!!

Merry Christmas and a Happier new year for all!!!!!!

Kathleen 3 years ago

Marsha -- if you have never seen the program, then I don't have a lot of respect for your opinion about what others are saying. WATCH a few episodes of the program, THEN post a response. What you've done is like saying "I haven't seen 'Batman' but I can't understand why some people liked/disliked it." Well... you have to WATCH the program to possibly gain some understanding. So far, you have ZERO experience with the subject.

kat and jase 3 years ago

Totally agree there Kathleen, nice name by the way, have a child with the same name!

Also you know why some make stupid comments on something they know nothing about dont you?

Because they cant see the forest for the tree's, they beleive the Duggers are good christian folks, having numerous children and raising them with such limited life expereinces, apart from that, in their eyes (others) Marsha is one, that beleives the world needs more people like the duggers, yet I ask this question would she support them if they were non christian beleivers? I would bet she would be screaming at the top of her voice, sterlize them!!!!!! hahahaha

As far as having little respect for her opinion based on the fact she hasnt seen the show, regardless she is allowed to comment and I do give her points for being honest with her tread and telling us she hasnt seen the show..... oh well thats life I suppose.......happy holidays everyone!!!

Zlatana 3 years ago

Even though they are called creepy, I adminred them for how they live (without debts and many materieal things)

Michalle teach her children about life, God, and moral values that our society has lost.

They don't go to school so what?? Today, when our educational system is so bad ( children can listen CD in the class, no homeworks) I am sure these kids know nothing more than regular kids that go to " school". Do you know that grade -eight student didn't know to answer in which season leaves are changing the colour, spring or fall?

Besides, prayer is giving them patience, hopes, modesty, and strenghts and I think these kids will will be able to achieve everything they want.

God bless,

Linda 3 years ago

I cant say weather home schooling is better than attending school, yet I wonder how they go as far as mixing with others apart from the siblings, and some church friends, I'm talking about mixing with different people that live differently from themselves, to me it seems that learning about different cultures in history books and social studies is one thing, yet to have real hands on with others is another thing, and no matter how much michelle educates her children,the truth is you cant bet the real thing! And I dont think any parent can teach that to their children, without allowing them to socialize and mix with others this is done only in a school setting not at a kitchen table no matter how big or long the table is. :)

Lisa in PA 3 years ago

Well, #18 is here and in about 4 months we will surely get word that there is yet another addition on the way (big surprise there!!). After all, that is how they make their living for the most part, having babies, I guess professional parenting is a very lucrative deal. I wonder which girl this one will be handed off on to raise.

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some people litter the world with cigarette butts and coffee cups,

these people litter the world with more broodlings.

wasteful, selfish and irresponsible.

Gabe 3 years ago

Wooooo!!!! Number 18!!!...Dude I totally agree with this article...I work with High School and Jr. High kids and when do they not get in to trouble just a little bit. My kids are awesome, but every now and then they get out of line. Teenagers just do that, it's fundemental to their growth...these kids are like children of the corn kids...creepy

Bianca 3 years ago

This family is fucking creepy and that's all there is to say. It's great if they want to have all the children they want, but why the hell are they on TV? I would honestly rather see bimbo Paris Hilton prance around on TV than see this family. The family is doing a great disservice by allowing these children to grow up sheltered and nurtured by the strictest of religious beliefs.

The mother was probably born pregnant, and it disheartens me to imagine that she's been pregnant consecutively for, what, eighteen or nineteen years? DISGUSTING!!

Linda 3 years ago

Well thank Goodness baby number 18 is healthy, with no mental or serious physical defects, I think that Michelle and Jim bob, must'nt be very bright because it is very plain to see they dont really understand the serious nature they put on future babies if they continue to have child after child.

They may say that children are a blessing and so on, yet why put a childs life at risk by continuing to populate at the rate they are, What will happen if they have baby number 19 and there is something wrong, what then? I think these parents are so selfish because after all would it be fair from a handicap persons point of veiw knowing that because their parents were so selfish that that childs life is so much different than its siblings, knowing these parents they will say, "the lord gave us this baby as a gift, with all this childs physical and mental problems, we are very special parents to have been choosen", this will be most likely what they will say, yet the real truth will be, Because its parents were thinking only about themselves, rather than the wellbeing of a childrens life and future!

I say these parents are no better than crimmals that commit crimes against others, if number 19 comes and something is wrong, lets hope there isnt anything wrong, yet if there is, they should be charged with a crime against humanity! thats my take on the matter, after all if you have Aids and knowing pass this onto others you can be charged, why then shouldnt the Duggers!

Boston905 3 years ago

Well, the Stepford Family has added another humanoid. The child hadn't drawn a dozen breaths before Jim Bob starts talking about adding to the brood. Sick, twisted family.

Kaitlin 3 years ago

Sort of sorry for dragging up an older topic, but I would like to contribute to this as well.

My father was one of seven children with him being one of the only boys. My Aunt on my father's side was one of the eldest girls and she was one of the girls who had to take care of her younger siblings because both of my grandparents worked. She hated it. But, unlike the older Duggar girls, she only had a few children to look after, and even then they weren't incredibally young.

I can't imangine that each of the children gets the attention that they need from their parents. I'll liken it to being in a classroom. Do all of the students get the same ammount of attention? No!

I also have a bit of a problem that they decided to have that many children when there are so many children in the US that don't have a home! I can understand that people want children that look like themselves, but still...

While I don't wish anything bad on the new baby, I would like to see what would happen if the baby had Down Syndrome or Autism. Would the parents actually pay attention to the child, or would they put the child off on one of the daughters? Or, would they use the child as a poster child and attempt to make money off him or her?

I'm Catholic, and I have absolutely nothing against loving God, but there comes a point where it just gets scary.

Stacy 3 years ago

In an era where resources are limited, and the environment it being taxed to the point that it may not ever recover no one has the right to contribute to over population to the degree that the Duggars have! They are being selfish, and narrowminded. We all have the responsibility of taking care of the environment, and having 18 children is just unsustainable! What if everyone decided they wanted to do that, we would have a serious problem.

DONNA 3 years ago

I watched the episode where they all went to the thrift store for shoes for the kids. It is time to sew it up if you have so many kids that you cannot afford new shoes for them. How can they feel like they are doing the best for these kids when they have to wear someone elses shoes. Absolutely Gross!!!!! Call it quits duggars before her uterus falls out on the street. Wonderful jim bob find a hole in the fence.

Bruce M.  3 years ago

I think that this is Ridiculous! This man and woman need to start considering using birth control.

These people are producing enough kids to start a small country! Wait till the others start to reproduce.

In case these fanatics don't realize, we are starting to have a population problem. It wouldn't be so bad, if they decided to adopt children, not contribute to an overpopulated planet.

You'll notice that on the TODAY show which aired on 12/22, the father started to promote a book...yeah, as if millions will run to the store an buy it?!

I believe that they are feeling the pinch of feeding all of these kids.

Lastly, I don't think they realize that us taxpayers will have to PAY for this overpopulated family, if something tragic happened to the parents.

What a group of dumbasses.

TheDivineMrs.M 3 years ago

The wife/mother of all these kids gets lots of attention by continuously giving birth. It is sort of like a Munchhowseins syndrome. It's attention from the medical field, attention from the media, from the public, ect. I agree with those who say the older kids will be resentful because they are truly the ones raising the younger kids. When these kids start having grandkids, and the wife/mother now is no longer the center of attention, how will she behave? She certainly cannot meet the individual emotional needs of her own kids, how will she be able to extend herself emotionally to her children when they become parents? And she's not going to want to give up the spotlight of "perpetually pregnant woman" when her kids start having kids. It will be like a competition.

nickipicki 3 years ago

No its perfectly normal to have that many children in fact I want a set of twins and a set of sextuplets like Jon and Kate Gosselin

Mkaye 3 years ago

Seriously, why would you or I care how many children these people choose to have. I can't stand people who think anyone who does something out of the norm is "creepy". They all seem happy and healthy. They are kind and helpful kids who love each other and their parents, which is more than I can say for most of the families I know with only TWO kids.

Also, I have seen both of them flustered at times and Michelle telling the little boys no a couple of times. However, I suppose if you beat and yell at your children, you may not recognize a quiet caring voice as discipline.

For those of you concerned about population problems, you should do a little research. You will find that MOST industrialized nations will be facing the problem of UNDERPOPULATION within the next few decades due to a lack of reproduction. Countries like Norway actually pay $600 a month for every child you have in order to encourage people to reproduce.

Serioulsy, who is this person concerned with where they shop?! Gasp, they make WISE financial decisions!!! Do you realize that this family is completely debt free?! They didn't get there by buying a brand new pair of stride rites everytime a kid grows out of a pair of shoes! But then again, how unAmerican to be thrifty and not care about how you appear to others.

For those of you concerned with the older siblings taking on responsibilites, I can only say this. I hope that my daughters will leave our home knowing how to cook, clean and care for a baby, unlike myself. I hope they are half as responsible and capable and, dare I say it, SELFLESS as the girls in that family. A generation, or two, of completely selfish kids is destroying our country as it is. Also, my husband is one of eleven kids and everyone of them Loved having tons of brothers and sisters (even the girls who are the oldest and did have to help care for the younger ones). Look at their oldest son. He is only twenty years old, renovated a house for his new wife and runs a company. How many of you can say that about your twenty-year old.

Consider also, if you have two children, who do you expect to care for you when are older? THE GOVERNMENT! I know a family with seven kids and when there is something that their elderly parents need there is always one of them who can fly down to see them. They all pool resources to make sure that their parents needs are met.

Ya know, I really think that government should be in charge of making sure that each family is only allowed 2.1 children (the number of births it takes to replace ourselves given mortality rates) plus one dog, one cat, a two-story home in the suburbs and one subaru and one volvo.

Mkaye 3 years ago

One more comment. I'm sure that all these kids receive more attention than children who spend their prekindergarten years in daycare, then go to school all day, after school programs, soccer practice, summer programs, babysitters and so on. Instead these kids know that they are worth something to their parents, so much so that they are actually willing to stay home with them!

Jenni 3 years ago

I am split about the Duggars. I like the way they live their life. Most of today's kids have a lot to learn from the Duggar kids. My biggest criticism/concern is that the Duggars seem to be using the older kids as babysitters. Jim Bob and Michelle are lucky that none of the older kids have rebelled against them for imposing that they take care of the little kids. I mean, think about it. How could Michelle feed all of the babies at the same time. She can't! So she has to resort to the older kids to help out. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about giving kids responsibilities, but they shouldn't be babysitters. Seems like the older kids are not being allowed to live their adolescent years. One other thing, Michelle......PLEASE GET A MAKEOVER, YOUR STYLE IS SO OUTDATED....A LITTLE FIXING UP IS NOT A SIN.

beth 3 years ago

I have three of my own. You know 18 kids is alot to have . The older kids are probably not enjoying there child-teenage time because they are practically raising the younger ones. Teenagers need there own space. I could see have 7-maybe 8 kids if you want a big family , but 18 kids wow thats a little bit to much. They dont belive in birth control well at the age of 50 she will be giving birth to her 25th kid , come on. I am just stating my thoughts. I think she should stop while she is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead...

jess 3 years ago

now lets all be honest with ourselves they are FREAKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chealsea 3 years ago

i wish my family was like that!!! i dont think i would mind having great parents. instead of a druggie mom and who knows where my dad is!!! i wish i could have the twin siblings my mom aborted last year. i watch this show to help me get away...i hope i can have a loving family one day.

they are freaks, i think they are created a munch needed change.

id rather have a family of "freaks" than no family at all.

docsdeb 3 years ago

I have a big problem with them not paying property taxes by claiming their house is a church. If that is a fact, is that lie and cheating the "Christian" thing they keep preaching? What else do they lie and cheat about. With the recession and real estate down, do you and I pay their bills? Hopefully the tv rights cover them. She has been pregnant for their entire relationship. It is bizzare, but their choice. As long as I don't pay for them.

2themax 3 years ago

This family follows the teachings of a man named Bill Gothard. LOOK BILL GOTHARD up on the internet- creepy. They follow his teachings to a t. He runs a fake college/institute called Advanced Training Institute. They believe in arranged marriages, no tv, no birth control, obeying husbands, etc. They say the children have say about their future lives- but that is absolutely not true. They would be abandoned if they ever turned from this system. There is a lot of abuse in this organization. It is by all means a CULT- christian fundamentalist- although not polygamous like the mormons. It is a very scarey homeschool move across the country of ultra-wackoism. The clothes, the modest swimsuits, the engagement (Did you notice how the oldest boy is PROPOSING and he says, "come over here" to his future bride? demanding her around-- please- some things you just can't hide), I mean come on- what is this? Just NUTTTTTTTSSSSSSS!!!!!!

jasmine 3 years ago

Duggers = Selfish, egocentric, Ignorant and unevolved. Not only is it horific, and in my opinion child abuse to have so many children, but a scourge upon the earth which as humans we are destroying by our unabashed disregard for the fragility of this beautiful planet which was a gift. We are here to be guardians and caretakers of the earth and everyday we corrupt it more by our unconcious and arrogant attitude of self entitlement. The Duggers supreme disregard for anyone's future but their own, is so offensive they should be in jail for what they cause by contributing so abominably to overpopulating this world..

I say shame on them, Like the judge told OJ, they are the epitiome of ignorance and arogance combined...and in my eyes no better than anyone who commits murder for they are murdering our planet.

Michelle in MD 3 years ago

What many are failing to realize is that the Duggers and others like them that are bringing so many children into this world is MY PROBLEM and MY BUSINESS. The earth's resources are not unlimited. There are many on this planet who do not have clean drinking water or nutritious meals to eat. Imagine if we all decided to birth this many children...its so ignorant and irresponsible. I don't judge them for living a Christian lifestyle, but wouldn't it be more Christian to spend their energies as possible foster parents or missionaries to help others who are less fortunate? Conservation of the earth, that is a true gift to us as humans, is more spiritual and God-like than selfishly wasting its resources with more and more bodies.

TheDivineMrs.M 3 years ago

Michelle, you make some good points. Unfortunately, the Duggars live an extremely insulated life and are unable to reach out to others on any kind of personal level. It's all about them. For the mom, it's all about her. Foster parenting and adoption are ways to extend yourself into a world that doesn't revolve completely around yourself and the world you've created around you. No way these Duggar parents want to leave that comfort zone.

kaysmommy 3 years ago

i think the duggars are great...i love watching their show. They are not creepy people to me i admire how patient and loving they are to their children. It doesn't hurt kids to have responsibility. It actually helps them to be better in life. If you don't teach kids at an early age when do you expect them to learn??? I think the kids have been able to experience a lot of things other kids wouldn't get to experience. They are getting older now and even one is married and none of them have harmed anyone or anything so how can you say their parents are horrible or the kids are horrible. If you actually watched the show you would see what they do for a living, how they save money, how they discipline the children when wrong, and how sometimes when they go shopping one of the little boys drags stuff off the shelves and michelle has to discipline the child. I think they are normal people but have an extraordinary family. To talk so angrily about the duggars must mean you don't have the happiness in your life that the duggars have so you think its impossible to be that happy but maybe having rules, loving children and doing what you think is best for your family is HAPPINESS!!! So don't hate someone you don't even know personally, cause they might not be as creepy as you think!!!

2themax 3 years ago

I'm sorry Kaysmommy, but I am NOT JEALOUS. Why would I be jealous with a family who wears long dresses, has long hair, matches the boys in polos and has all the children nodding along with everything I say. I enjoy thoroughly my children having a free mind to explore all points of view on issues in their lives. I have never abused my children, I am not in debt, I have a loving husband who is my closest friend and who the children adore. We ARE christians- just not christian robots. We are not talking "angrily" out of jealousy- but out of fear for these children. They are going to end up living on the Duggar compound, with dozens of their own babies and what will happen to JUST ONE of these kids if they decide this is not the life for them? Will they be shunned and rejected by the rest of the family? Things are not always as they seem (the super sweetness). When a family goes to such great pains to appear so entirely perfect where they cannot relate to 99.9% of the world- what are they hiding? What are they trying to win people into? Their way of thinking? Their cultic ways? And when people don't buy into it hook, line and sinker the people who are the Duggar clone families rear up in anger? Just remember who decided to put themselves out into the middle of the world to be analyzed- and scrutinized. It happens with every family on TV-- so people need to get used to it. If they don't want bad "PR" they should stop doing programs on TLC-- because I'm afraid the PR is just getting worse and worse the longer they promote their point of view. And if people feel the children are in a mentally (mind control) dangerous situation then THEY SHOULD BE VOCALIZING IT!!

anonymous 3 years ago

I don't care if they have 20 more....obviously the reason behind all of this is their deep relgious beliefs AND ...they financially have the ability to provide a wonderful home and lifestyle for these children. Not sure where all of the money is coming from, but I also think that the publicity is reaping them financial benefits too. Oh the delights of capitalism!!

Hannah 3 years ago

I just think its so unfair to those girls because they are always cleaning and taking care of kids. They aren't suppose to be mothers they are suppose to be sisters. I think when you have to have older children take care of your younger children because you can't handle it you have had enough children. The other thing that bothers me is they don't let their children watch TV yet they have a show on TV. It just seems hypocritical. It certainly an advantage to be a boy in that family.

ranchmaster 3 years ago

These people obviously have religious people who come on the net to boost their perception. Because their is no way in hell that anyone would think this is normal or acceptable unless they had some strong belief it was to be so. What they have done and what they believe is just over the top and gross! If we're talking about some religious cult here then they should be analyzed and scrutinized for abuse. And if we see it -- we should speak up about it as a community. And I think there are some serious educational issues-mental brainwashing- and child slavery (or at lease child labor). It is sick to see so many kids in their teen years sleeping in the same bedrooms as well- like bunkhouses- and we all know the stories that come from that condition. The kids don't seem like they can think for themselves - and to see this many following the family "code" hook, line and sinker says, "Something isn't right in Dodgeville." Their compound looks eerily similar to the photos from Warren Jeffs that are on the net.

Mandy 3 years ago

The thing about the Duggars is this: yes, people are free to live however they choose. Michelle and Jimbob are choosing their own lifestyle, and no matter how much I disagree with those choices, they are their choices to make. BUT Michelle and Jimbob take all choices away from their kids, and that, ultimately, is what makes the whole situation so objectionable.

The children have no exposure to other people, lifestyles, values, and beliefs. They are receiving grossly subpar educations from a woman with, at best, a high school education. (An early special showed a bumper sticker that said ATI Bound; ATI is an extremely fundamentalist Christian homeschooling curriculum with virtually no grounding in academia.) What kind of education can one woman give to fifteen students of different ages simultaneously?

Furthermore, it is not the children's choice to run an enormous household and parent their younger siblings. And yes, the older girls are responsible for the vast majority of parenting. The Duggars themselves admitted that "buddies" are responsible for the dressing, hygiene, feeding, and schooling. The older girls are expected to make breakfast/lunch/dinner for twenty people every day, do all the laundry and ironing for twenty people, clean up the messes for twenty people-- and the list goes on. That was not their choice.

There is nothing wrong with children having responsibilities, but when "helping out" turns into a teenager running a household of twenty and parenting as many as three young children (at last count, Jill had three buddies), something is very seriously wrong.

And that doesn't even mention how little parenting Michelle Duggar actually does. She has readily admitted that she weans the babies at five or six months and then hands them off to "buddies." Beyond that point, buddies do essentially all of the parenting. Michelle actually admitted that they have a sign-up sheet for one-on-one time with a parent. When a child has to SIGN UP IN ADVANCE to spend time with a parent, something is very seriously wrong. That should be a giant red flag that parents have more children than they can properly parent. Those responsibilities fall to the older girls which, yet again, takes away their freedom of choice.

So I see a great deal that is wrong with the Duggars, and it is because I believe people have a right to choose how they live. They have a right to a decent education; they have a right to exposure to more than one type of person; they have a right to choose whether or not to be parents (and some of these children are, for all intents and purposes, parents).

I object to the Duggars not because I want to impose my choices on them, but because I object to the Duggars imposing a lack of choices on their children.

Boston905 3 years ago

Mandy - EXCELLENT post. I don't understand why more people, especially those who think the Duggars are GREAT, can't see your point of view. My main objection to this family's lifestyle is how the daughters are given no choice other than to be mothers to the children Michelle & Jim Bob keep spitting out. It actually is a form of misogyny to have the females in this family treated this way.

Linda 3 years ago

Boston905 and Mandy, I couldn't have said it better myself, so many applued the duggers saying what wonderful people they are, and how many wish they could be like them and how well balanced they all are, yet like the both of you I too say well what about the rights of others, the endless mindless choices the parent duggers continue to instill in the life and minds of their children, being a parent myself, my role was to instill morals, pride and trust, honesty and confidence to make choices in their own lives was and is the only blueprint a parent can offer a child, yet the duggers dont do this with their children, they control, manipulate, take all rights and personal choices from them, by enforcing their own, makes me think, that the dugger parents are just living a falseness and lie and this is what they as parents have blue printed into each one of the dugger children, how will these children ever know that what their parents are doing is no less than cult living and with very controlled lives how will they ever be free from it?

After all the oldest child now married is continuing the life style his parents have blue printed into his being, I think the duggers are all lost, none will ever experince life away from King and Queen Dugger and the Kingdom they have created, its sad to think others out there think the duggers are wonderful parents, some thought Jones town was great too, and its founder yet look at what happened!

Anna 3 years ago

The Duggars are part of the Quiverfull movement which eschews all forms of contraception OR fertility treatments. Whether God decides to "bless" them with children and/or the amount of children God decides to bless them with is something they are taught to accept with blind obedience. They do not have children necessarily because they like kids so much, but because they are taught it is God's will and they must obey that. Andrea Yates and her husband are reported to have been adherents to the Quiverfull movement. Thus, despite Andrea's continuous and severe mental problems including post-partum depression and psychosis, her husband encouraged her to keep popping out all those little blessings who she eventually drowned, one by one, even chasing the 7 year old around the house before murdering him in a bath. The Quiverfull people now try to say she was not part of their movement, due to shame (note how her family's dress and hair style was eerily similar to the Duggars.

From what I have researched, includuing old interviews with this family before they were on t.v. (when ol' Jim Bob was running for office), I learned the following: The Duggars are very extreme, fundamentalist, right-wing, evangelical Christians. They apparently follow a system of "discipline" which allows corporal punishment for children as young as 8 months old or so. They now call it "correction" so they do not turn off their huge t.v. audience.

They also pratice "blanket training" which consists of placing a baby or small child on a blanket with toys, then tapping the edges of the blanket with a wooden spoon to let the child know where the boundary is and then "correcting" the baby or child if and when they get off the blanket. The method includes placing enticing objects or foods outside the blanket's perimeter and then "correcting" the baby when he or she goes for it. This goes on until the baby dashes to the far end of the blanket away from the desired object for fear of "correction". The goal is to be able to have a small baby or child remain in one place for certain periods of time without a parent holding them there, so the parent can attend to other things. To people who follow this method, it is not considered punishment, but, rather, "training".

Another discipline technique these people employ is having their children play a game in which they follow a random series of their parents' commands, regardless of meaning, logic or reason, without question or hesitancy. This is supposed to be fun and is not supposed to be done in anger. I think it is a great way to raise future victims of pedophiles or wife beaters, or future mob members who dare not question right or wrong but blindly follow the leader. Hitler would have loved these cats in his army. They are "training" children not to be able to think for themselves or to question authority and this can be very dangerous on both a personal level and also a larger, social level.

In their religion, husbands are the leaders and wives must submit to them. Women are expected to raise children and be wives, and not to work outside of perhaps a family business, nor to achieve higher education. Children must obey their parents without question and harsh and swift punishment will result if they fail to do so.

The skirts and "modest dress", the long hair, etc., are all meant to stamp out individuality and clearly define the roles of men and women. Long hair and long dresses can sometimes confine women - make it harder to participate in certain things and that is the point.

The Duggars are radical right-wingers. Jim-Bob ran as an "extreme" christian. They follow a scary guy named Bill Gothard who has some very fanatical, extremist views - anti-gay, anti-woman, etc. Appartently, Jim-Bob wanted to pass a bill outlawing contraception. I cannot say that for certain, however. It is hard to find the truth these days about the Duggars' beliefs and politics as they and TLC are making money by keeping some of their radical beliefs under wraps, but the info is out there. Take a look.

Someone posted several months back that the mini city that the Duggars are creating has nothing to do with global warming. It does. The larger the world population, the greater the use of fossil fules which contribute to global warming. Further, it increases pollution of our waterways, oceans, earth and air as more people use more contaminants, more phosphates, etc., which impact our world. Granted, the Duggars are one family. They cannot be blamed for our world's problems. But, their mentality, if it spreads, can.

2themax 3 years ago

Thank you Anna. You said it much better than I could- since I don't know as much. If what you are saying is true- then ranchmaster is right- there should be investigations for abuse. Any kind of cult will allow abuse at some level. This is a historical normality as sad as it is. I looked up Bill Gothard and got all the info. I could. It's nuts.

Don't you think the "positive people" on these boards are those from within the cult? I am friends of people from the Family and everytime they speak out against what's going on within this religion, a PR person from the family comes along and talks about how wonderful it is and on and on and on. They can recognize it's someone from "within" because they can say NO BAD at all about the group- just like the complete brainwashing that goes on. These groups do a good job of managing their group from looking bad to the outside.

Linda 3 years ago

Religion boy will that have a big hand slap when the time comes, hehehe so many beleive in far feeched dreams and relaities, and yet how many do more harm in the name of God than any other beleif system in place in this world, look back through the history books, read how many were killed and so forth in the name of religion in the name of God, I dont understand how anyone can say that the duggers are good parents/people because it is abuse, religion taken to extremes like what the duggers live by, is abuse of the humans right and is abuse in the eyes of God, and if a time comes when questions will be asked of these people all I can say is I hope they know some divine defence lawyer to help them out, because when they are asked to answer for what they have done, saying "god I was following Bill Gothards teachings", the sentence given for them isnt going to be a nice one! hahahah boy I think God has a wicked sence of humour......

David 3 years ago

What is it about the Duggars that frighten people?

Here we have a large family living for God. They have established that large families can support themselves. The family unit taking care of its own. Older children taking care of the younger children. This is not only appropriate but establishes a familial bond.

Responsibility is seriously lacking in today’s society. The “ME” generation has taken over and laid waste to the American way of life.

We see families such as the Duggers and it frightens us. Here is a very large family not only exiting but thriving. The family community cares and nurtures it young. This family forces us to take a hard look at ourselves and a hard look at “responsibility” and we cringe. So instead of cleaning up our own lives we want to attack those who are actually happy.

Is it your hope they will become as miserable as we have become?

God Bless the Duggers and may God bless them with as many children has He wants them to have.

kat and Jason 3 years ago

David wake up and smell the coffee, havent you heard of how stretched our worlds resourses are already?

In todays world with the treat of gobal warming excess use of fosal fuilds and so forth, creating a larger population is not only criminal, yet very irresponsible in this day and age, The world ihabitance should be putting pressure on the Dugger family to stop this stupid act of selfish, mindless irrogrance to how they follow anothers way of life (Bill Godard) teaching and make them realize that even tho they may own their own home, be free of financial burdons, they are still using the worlds resourses, they use electricity which compared to another family would be alot higher due to the size of the household, waste products would be alot higher than anothers family waste would be, water intake would be alot higher and the list goes on.

As a Australian, not Amercian we here in this country and in most states of Australia are on water resrictions of high levels, and we dont have the high population America has, yet because of Gobal warming and so forth, this liquid gold as we all call it is running out, and if we as a nation sat back and continued to praise people like the duggers breeding out of stupidity and of all things religion beleifs, then we really dont care about what would happen when the water runs out, yet I have a right as a tax paying country inhabitant to say, hey look Duggers enough is enough the world cannot cope with the stress you add to its already stretched resoures regardless of how well maintained your life style is, the truth is THE DUGGERS STILL CONTRIBUTE to the worlds situation, and out of christians caring for others first and self last beleif system, you would think they would see the bigger picture.

David you made a statement that many seem afraid of the Duggers, well let me tell you this family and others like it we should be afriad of them after all they have no compassion nor concern for others here on this earth, struggling with the effects a stretched world has right now, they live in their small community teaching their large family brood, how to destroy the world by continuing to breed out of stupidity, rather than love for another!

If this family was living here in Australia, continuing to drain resourses , then I would be campaining to the goverment to do something to protect what little we ALL have left!!!!

People wake up and smell the coffee, we are running out of what we need to survive water, and yet people like the duggers dont care, because in their beleif system God is the only thing that matters and pleasing him/her by having as many children as the lord wants them to have, that is stupid and whats more criminal.

Linda 3 years ago

I hear ya kat and jason, and many others do to:) the problems is do the duggers and others that beleive in the duggers way of life? may be when the shit hits the fan the duggers may hear us then, yet as always it will be to late, reminds me of the story of Noeh and the Ark dont you think? :(

Kathleen 3 years ago

After reading about the Bill Godard and his teachings, I wonder if this man, knows what the hell he is talking about, to me he is no more than a con man, praying on the minds of vanuable weak minded people, that are looking for some answer to how they are suppose to live, and this business about having lots of children to basically make you feel like you have achieved something important, really what planet is this man from? what a wanker and it all that live by his words.....Grow up and get a life, learn by what you do and act, not by what another says!

reindeer 3 years ago

Paulie, I am sorry to say this but the world would be a much better place without people like you. Please help make the world a better place. CHANGE! Follow the example of the Duggars. They are full of genuine love for God and humanity.

Kat and Jason 3 years ago

What right do you reideer, have to say that another needs to change? looks like you beleive that Paulie along with some others here that support what she has written, need to change in order to make a difference to the world, well let me say this to you and others that share your truth ok, each and every person on this plannet has the GOD GIVEN RIGHT to live and act and say what is RIGHT for them, truthfully I beleive mainstream religous leaders need to change and the way they go about preaching their truth, yet out of respect for myself first I choose not to be sucked into what they nor others beleive, just as I see so to does Paulie, yet I am not screaming from some mountian CHANGE, the topic is about how the Duggers continuing to breed and what they stand for to some is creepy and I beleive them to be just that, STRANGE, I dont beleive the Duggers truely follow a christain family lifestyle, this is shown by shifting younger children onto older children to raise, and the whole business of two parents showing to the world, how loving they are yet still practise shifting responsiblities onto such young shoulders is creepy in my eyes, and to some extent wrong, yet like you and me IT IS THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT of them to do this. Maybe you might need to change your attiuade towards Paulie by not answering to a tread you dont agree with, after all that is your GOD GIVEN RIGHT, and by the looks of what you have written, you might find more support on another forum.

Rega 3 years ago

Not too many years ago, I was applauding the Duggars's boldness in doing what they felt right by following their religious beliefs to have all the children God would want them to have ...BUT... now, after these last few babies, I have serious doubts about them.

I do grant that they are living a decent life. The children are well-behaved and trained because family life is first priority for them; they have not allowed the modern distractions and self-absorptions into their family. I have no doubts that they are receiving a good education at home. I am also assured that they provide for themselves without taking any assistance from the government or community; whatever they make from the TV show is earned. Their children obviously cannot get much undivided attention, however, I feel that there is enough love and support to go around their home. If they want to skip fashion trends and dress in a very modest code, that is their perogative as well. And I'm not even going to complain about world population but rest on this one contention:

They speak of their conviction to allow God to plan the size of their family and yet,

How can they consider this is God's plan when they go against nature? They do believe that God has created the human body, both male and female but should not be noted that a woman's body was never meant to produce so many babies in one lifetime; that is able to do so does not mean it should. If one was interested in following God's way, then it should be realized that a child does not have a full set of teeth until it is around 3 years old. This is the way a baby was designed. Yet here she is weaning these babies at 5-6 months of age, thereby stopping the natural birth control which would occur: a part of the plan for how her body was made. There are several biblical references of children being breastfed till they were 3-4 years old, and some that indicate it could have been even longer. Couldn't she at least go for 12 months? Or how about 9 months? Her body was pregnant for that long, wouldn't it seem prudent to give it another 9 to recover?

Yes, though, beautiful family, happy to have so many blessings that are never counted as burdens. But 18 children in 21 years? It's getting bizarre.

Rega 3 years ago

Wait, I do have concerns about the children as I have been around other large families with my children, and have noted quite a few times how they stuck to themselves and didn't reach out to mine. I'm wondering if this is typical. And how about the Duggar kids? Do they know how to reach out to others? will they have the ability to make friends outside their family? or does this lifestyle encourage them to keep within the clan?

gmdee 3 years ago

Jim creeps me out!

Jaza 3 years ago

Bottom line to the Duggers is they are nothing more than a clan of over religious freaks, trying to show the world how creepy their family is and what they live by, to me I say "whats the point to understanding the duggers and why they are living this way" In all of my being I keep hearing this one sentence and that is, "This isnt normal", they really are addicted to having child after child, and the thing that will help them is therapy to make them deal with this addiction, rather than keep pretending and denying and living behind a vail and calling it Religion to which they use to continue their addictive life style, I think someone should take these two parents aside and explain what a addiction is and how they seem to be showing signs of just that!

Boston905 3 years ago

An earlier poster did the math on this family and determined if these 18 children reproduced at the same rate as their parents, there would be 1,889,568 Duggars within five generations. From ONE family.

Now, if they reproduced at the level most people consider SANE (which is to replace yourselves, i.e., two children per family) there would be 576 Duggars within five generations. Let's see, 1 million eight hundred eighty-nine thousand, five hundred sixty-eight Duggars or 576 Duggars. The fossil fuel requirements for nearly two million versus a little over 500 people ~ what makes sense to you? Just curious.

Bobbi 3 years ago

No offense to some here who defend the Duggars, but none of you have even considered what having that many children does to the environment, the world's resources. If everyone were as loving, but as fruitful as they were, we would end up like the Aztecs. 18 kids produce waste everyday, they consume everyday, they use fuel, electricity, water, everyday. they wil then marry and produce more. We chide those in poor countries for having 2 kids because their country can not sustain them, and where do you think America would beif everyone was like the Duggars.

It is obvious they love their kids, but to put he weight of having to parent so many other kids on the shoulders of so many of their young children is wrong. The kids did not choose to have kids, the parents did. So parenting is THEIR job. Hence the name PARENTS. I see other chidlren taking care of other childrenmore than the parents do themselves, which is not to say they are not involved with their kids. Any other "family" and they would be accused of robbing their children of their childhoods.

And finally, wht disturbs me, and to that one up top who said this person was judgmental and cruel, all one has to do is go to the Duggar website where they say using birth control is selfish and kills babies. Yeah and poverty, homelessness, birth efects, and being unable to raise kids due to mental incapacity is a better alternative for women? many women use birth control because they know they are not good parent material. Some choose to be single. Some choose to have careers, etc. And they themselves said they couldn't afford kids at first. So had they not been "selfish" as they put it, we would have been supporting them through state agencies and welfare.

I think the Duggarshave a lot going for them. I just think that it is more selfish to continue to produce chidlren that the already over-populated world can not support in many countries. And why couldn't they have adopted? Isn't that the Christian thing to do? Don't other kids deserve homes too? Ask me, I think putting your own need to multiply above the lives of forgotten children 18 times over is selfish.

JMHO.

Bobbi 3 years ago

P.S. I apologize for the typos in my above post. My keyboard is rail thin and sometimes I don't quite push the keys down hard enough while typing for fear of jamming a letter.

And despite their above flaws as I stated earlier, I think that they do have a lot going for them. I do not wish for their belief system to be pushed upon me though. I know the bible says be fruitful and multiply, but at the time of that statement much of the world was unoccupied dueto technologyand logistics. Another species that is fruitul is the flea, but it doesn't mean I should be become a flea.

kat 3 years ago

I can remember the saying in the bible that said God said to his followers, "Now go forth and mulitpy, spread the word of the lord amongst the land", well something to that effect, yet I think the duggers have taken that lituraly, and beleive they should populate single handed, What a laugh!

Look everyone has the right to beleive what they want, choose what life they live, and say what they want, yet I do agree with many out there that the Duggers have gone alittle over board with the whole gammet of this beleif system they follow to a tee, yet I do agree with why didnt they take children into their homes that would beneft from having some structure as there are so many children without a home that are not wanted by their own parents, that to me would be a great service to the lord, yet again so many think with their body parts rather than their hearts and minds, and unfortuntly because of this we will always have a problem with so many homeless, unwanted children.

Michelle and Jim Bob if you ever read what is written please consider this giving is not from the body yet giving is from the love of a soul, and you would be doing really what the lord is saying and that is, Children are a blessing from God, and every child is a gift just like Michelle said "having to many children is like saying there is too many flowers", yet consider your vase would look so much more beautiful if you added a different type of flower to your collection!

Kylie2009 3 years ago

These people are creepy freaks anyone that beleives the shit they do, need some serious therapy, I beleive that michelle or jim bob need to be fixed so that no more children can be born.

Micki 3 years ago

Kylie, you said it and you know it. This is ridiculous. Getting pregnant every year and now she is at risk of dying or having a mentally handicapped kid. What would happen if she did die? What's scary is old Jimbob could reproduce into his 80's(look at Tony Randall). Would he find another woman? He and Rusty Yates should move in together. This family is in their own world and they want to protect them from media influences? They are pushing themselves into the media. Go figure

kylie2009 3 years ago

You know Micki, I bet Jimbob if Michelle died because of over production, I reakon the freak would start to have sex with his daughters to keep the family going, and then come up with some explaination that is apart of his religion, just as many that behave like the duggers do, look at the past cult leaders and how they convinced followers to have sex with family members and then say it was what the Lord wanted them to do!, this family is in real need of some outside intervention, and I am not talking about religious intervention. The Government needs to step in before history repeats itself with some oversexed father having sex with his children then saying it was what the lord wanted to keep his quiver full, how sick is this family beleiving that crap?

BAFGA 3 years ago

They don't bother me as a whole. The only thing that concerns me is they aren't being introduced to any sort of diversity. They seem to be pretty sheltered. Also, they aren't getting any sort of higher education after "high school". If they are satisfied being in construction or used car sales that's fine. Doesn't seem they don't strive to be much anything else.

Olivia 3 years ago

ugh I absolutly hate these people. Every single think they do bugs me. I have watched their program before and i have just recently watched an episode in which Mrs. Duggar is ready to give birth to like her 50 millionth freakin kid....and uhh well they were showing the kids the hospital room that was "going to get the baby outta mommies tummy" haha sounds so gay. They are seriously messed up....why in the hell would you name all your freakin kids with J's.....are you just trying to assist in the process of humiliation at school or around others? Of course the duggars dont go to school.

Mrs. Duggar needs to get her freakin tubes tied....b/c she is so fucking old...jesus woman you need to stop or else your gonna get so loose that everything will fall out

hahaXD

suckkkerrrr

Kylie2009 3 years ago

yep so true about the Duggers, they dont strive to be anything other than a continuations of their cult following, What the parents have failed to see is that they have taught their children to live and act like themselves, meaning each one of the Dugger children have only been programmed to grow up, take care of younger family members ,so that when their time comes to be parents they will know what to do, and therefore the cycle continues, teaching children how to care for others is a important lesson they can learn, yet to programe your children to become parents that is creepy and freakin sick. My mom taught me how to clean up, have pride in my appearance and how to cook, tools I needed when I left the family home, she never taught me how to parent others, that was what I had to learn by my own mistakes when I married and had children, and you know I am glad cause the more children I had the easier paernting became, yet I learnt this all by myself, with some insight when needed by my own parents.

My Mom is in her 70s and I have sat with her and watched this programe of the Duggers with her, and then asked her what she thought about the Duggers, she nailed it as far as the Duggers are concerned, this is what she said!

Well they seem to be in a world of their own, teaching such a large family rules and boundries is a good thing, yet I wouldnt had handed babies over to my older children to raise, and expect them to met all the needs required, the reason why I wouldnt do that is because some of my parenting skills maybe not that good, and if I hand my babies over to other much less experinced than myself, then I am asking for some trouble Mrs Dugger to me is shifting her responsiblities onto others, and maybe she is doing this because deep down Mrs Duggers cant parent after a certian age, or its all to much for her, so at a certian age they become someone elses problem, this is very overious this is what is happening, when the child gets to a certian age it is handed over, now some cultures do this my mom said, yet it is mostley done in a tribe type of setting, were the sisters take care of the younger brothers and sisters, while the mom continues to have another child, my mom said now if this was the case then we as humans accept this quite well because the people concerned live in other countries and so forth, yet she said that the Duggers dont and it dosnt look like a culture, nor religious practise with what is going on with the Duggers, rather Michelle just cant parent nor cope having to raise all the children on her own, and that is the bottom line.

Now question is Michelle and Jimbob are so caught up in all of this, they fail to see what the real problem is, and continue to breed keeping the cycle going, I have to agree with my mom and that is until Michelle and Jimbob realize this is what is going on, they will continue to populate, its like a drunk they cant get help until they realize and stop drinking, this is the same with the Duggers, they cant stop having babies until they realize they cant cope with them after a certian age.

Mau 3 years ago

Who dosnt love babies, I would have had hundreds if they had stayed at that cute wonderful age of infancy, after all what demand does a infant have apart from feeding and changing and the long cuddles we attentitively give the infant?

Any parent will tell you that demands and trouble starts aground the age of teething, long sleepless nights, tempetures, running noses and so forth at the age of 5 to 6 months, this seems to be when Michelle Dugger hands off the child onto another to raise, she most likely does give the older child advise on how to care for the baby, yet many out there give advise on how to parent a child even tho they may not have children of their own.

I can see how Michelle and Jimbob can say the comments they do about having so many children and the blessings they bring, yet the truth is once the baby hits that demanding age that requires more attention it is then passed off, Michelle and Jimbob may be addicted to babies, were its like a endorfen type feeling when they hold their new born in their arms, a feeling of being high, of total happiness, and continues during the months until that feeling subsides, and they then prepare for another and she falls pregant again, I recall seeing a show were Michelle said that the older girls start looking at the callender each month, from the time the child is handed over to them to raise, and when the child is about 9 months old mum is announcing she is expecting again.

So from that comment and the way the history of the duggers is playing out, its safe to say Michelle and Jimbob are addicted to new born children, and confuse their feelings for the common answer they give, and that is "The lord will determine and bless us with as many children as he wants us to have"

To me thats sooooo wrong and I am sooooo suprised her Doctor hasnt sat them down and spoke to them not about the complications of another pregancies, yet about what their minds are doing and the reason why, to me any Doctor that encourages this behavour is buying into the risk of a seroius problem down the track, like a mentally handicap child or the death of the mother and possibly both.

Ema 3 years ago

I don't care that the Duggars choose to have lots and lots of children by not using birth control. What I DO care about is that these children are getting a VERY censored education. They're homeschooled by their mom, so of course, I'm sure they're not learning about evolution, or ACTUAL science. I saw them go to a creationist museum on an episode a while back. They were so happy to see a place that acknowledges their "the world is 6000 years old" belief. It was really kind of sickening.

kl 3 years ago

I watch this show with my 7 mo. old son. His dad doesn't even acknowledge he exsists so watching this is a sort of way to keep sane. It helps me to realize how great I have it!! I live with my family, don't have to 'obey' some jerk guy, am allowed to wear regular swim wear, can kiss a guy I'm dating( by the way I WAS married to my son's father...for all you weirdo ultra conservative NAZI douche bags!!!), and get to focus ALL my energy into raising my son, my way. I don't have to ruin my body and health(women's bodies are PROVEN, by REAL SCIENCE to suffer greatly from multiple pregnancies...we have TWO nipples not SIX...think about it!!!). I literally go for days without going out, showering etc...it's not because i am lazy it's because I take WONDERFUL care of my son. I don't pass him onto another person(whether that be an older sibling, personal friend etc.) just so that I can f*$k in order to have another child when I am frazzled caring for the one I have. This is 2009, not 1909 -- thank God for it too!!! People like this family want to make it seem like living a hundred years ago when God was the only belief people had, when 50% of babies died before age one (the biggest reason people used to have bigger families), when we didn't have medicine or vaccines when we didn't have ANY laws to protect workers or to prevent kids working 13 hr. days in factories...when 'modest swimwear ' was all anyone could wear... well that these were wonderful times and that these are the times we should emmulate now...ok it's official --- they ARE CREEPY!!!!

Susan 3 years ago

I find the Duggar's lifestyle to be very disturbing. Those children are quite mentally confined, stiffled by two people who deprive them of emotion and the world. I do not watch the show but I tuned in last night to see the eldest get "married". I felt so sorry for that poor bride.....This is your life Anna....Submit to your husband, have baby after baby. Books, movies, dancing, a good glass of wine, wearing a pair of jeans, getting a pretty haircut, so many small things she will never know. (All the sisters too).

And a question, the son who just got married...it doesn't appear he works. For the two to three months between the proposal and the wedding he seemed to be unemployed. Considering the childrens' education or lack there of I wonder what he or they are capable of doing in the outside world. Certainly none of these children will go on to college. Just so sad.

worried 3 years ago

If Jim-Bob and Michelle want to have a bunch of kids, that thier choice. For the most part, the kids seem well fed and clean. Yeah, the older ones have a lot of responsibility, but just ask any child of divorce about that - taking care of younger siblings goes with it. Yes, they do creep me out because thier beliefs are different from mine.

What worries me, is the future. What happens when one of the kids is gay? or commits suicide? or wants to go to college in the "outside" world? Or want to marry outside the religion? Or is mentally ill? Statistically, something is going to happen. How will Michelle and Jim-Bob handle it? With love and consideration or with banishment because some of these issues are considered "choices"???

Kylie2009 3 years ago

So the oldest got married, was this a arranged marriage? And what outside preperation did the son have for marriage? Havent seen the wedding yet as it hasnt filmed here (Aus) tho I have heaps of questions regarding this event, did his wife come from the same church back ground as the Duggers, and if so was this woman (wife) raised the same as the Dugger children?....so many questions can anyone answer them?

anon 3 years ago

I just watched the wedding episode last night. It absolutely disgusts me that Anna's father referred to Josh as her "authority". And in the vows she promised to submit to Josh's authority and have as many children as possible. And there was no dancing allowed because music makes men "lust after women". I mean come on! IS this footloose or something! These people are so paranoid about lusting after eachother. Maybe they need to deal with there own perverse minds and stop taking it out on the kids. It is sad. Also, Jim Bob telling josh that sex is like the way leggos fit together is sick.

kylie2009 3 years ago

You must be joking, about what Jimbob said to Josh about sex, for god sake what are these poeple thinking, and this so called father of the bride saying she must submit to josh's authority what the hell is he talking about, to me its nothing more than male control, I was under the impression that times were a changing and a female was starting to take her place at the sides of males, my god this is disguesting behavour on behave of the parents of the young couple, so what when Anna in the future becomes older and tried from raising children cant say "NO NOT TONIGHT DEAR" she must submit to her husbands physical needs as well as having no control in the actions he has, shit this blows me away!!

This family is so sick that it shocks me beyond belief....someone please help save these children from the sick minds of those that believe they are God. Lets get something done about how this is all unfolding because if we sit back and do nothing then we are just as bad as them!!!!! These are sick people, having children for their own satisfaction, to feel like they are GOD!! sick creepy people!

kate 3 years ago

what a strange family, all this stuff on protecting the males from lusting if they listern to music, sounds like it to me that Mr dugger has a lusting problem himself, for he cant leave his wife alone.....................you know I have found that folks that complaine or do all they can to protect themselves about certian things, like this lusting problem, are folks that are saying they have no will power against certian things.............strange really when their faith is so stronge they struggle with a human desire......................really strange that dont you think?

Paulie 3 years ago

You said it Kate, JimBob seems to have no trouble getting it on. Is it just a sense of duty or does this natural act, just feel good?

Louise03 3 years ago

The Duggars trust God in every area of their lives, and in return, he blesses them bountifully. He gives them well-behaved children as well as the means to provide for their growing family. They have a new book, which I highly reccomend, and it explains all the miracles God has bestowed on the Duggars.

Jamie 3 years ago

Has anyone else noticed that Josh's new wife, Anna looks JUST like one of his sisters? Eek!

ckrn101 3 years ago

If the Duggars were Amish, we wouldn't know a thing about them.

Kate 3 years ago

Why do folks say such stupid comments on a fact of life, that blessing are bistoad upon a person by their own power not something else, its like this why do some win lotto when others dont, is it because its a blessing? nope its just chance, luck call it what you want, yet its not from some higher power, yet as some folks do they convince themselves it is, and some how feel more worthy than others, and what about children dying due to wars, shortage of food and abuse, is it a blessing or would you say its what God wanted?....what a load of shit, the blessing the duggers recieve is through addvertising their children and themselves on reality TV nothing more, grow a brain!!!!!

Donna 3 years ago

I love the Duggars.

Paulie 3 years ago

I checked out Josh's wedding. They are indeed insular, but there is comfort in insularity. You don't test anything and nothing tests you. They seem afraid of their own natural sexuality. The entire focus was on sexual contact and avoiding it at all costs. Even a small kiss was seen aS potentially dangerous.

Dad's advice was pretty much black and white - all men this, all women that. (I'll never look at a lego the same way again). Personally, I prefer balance. Like a lot of people, I am tired of the overt sexuality plastered all over the place, but I don't believe in completely sheltering kids to the point of obsession. Even while I viewed a happy, clean, wholesome family, I couldn't help feeling sorry for the bride. They are so young and, to me, rushing into marriage so they could finally have that forbidden sex. Knowing exactly what you are going to do say, think, and feel for the rest of your life takes out all the guesswork and that titillating thing called living.

They looked so clueless. Darn, I am so torn, I want to like them!!!!!

Well nobody's gettin' on the bus with that group. See how they blew off that waiter??

Parker 3 years ago

I just watched an episode of this show. This family is so creepy. They are robots. The oldest son creeps me out the most. I love how in the intro they talk about how their kids are not allowed watch TV - yet they have their own TV show.

The wedding- which I watched, was just insane, those kids are so young, and so brainwashed it makes me ill.

CalifNative 3 years ago

I am certainly of the belief that America is the land of the free and that we have the ability to choose our own lives and destinies. That being said, I think that having 18 children crosses the fine line that separates freedom from license.

My husband's mother was one of 13 children. Within the last year, her mother died at the age of 102. My mother in law's eldest sister hadn't spoken to her mother in years, because she was angry at her mother for the fact that she felt that she never had a childhood, because she had to raise her younger siblings. Though none of them may not verblaize it, you cannot tell me that some of those Duggar girls will not end up feeling the same way.

Living such a sheltered existence (being home schooled and only associating with those are home schooled also) should any of these children attend college, even in a relatively smaller big city like Little Rock, they will be in for a culture shock. I predict that should any of these kids go to college one of 2 things will happen, either they will be outcasts or they will run wild and rebel. I have known children from very religious large families and at least one of them rebels, especially children of ministers (Grace Jone, Alice Cooper anyone?).

Psychological studies also show that depression and serious mental illness manifest more (proportinately speaking) in large families rather than smaller ones.

It will be interesting to see what will happen to all these children 20 years from now, but I will make some predictions and only time will tell to see if I am right:

At least one of the daughters will end up being wild and a bit trampy and disowned

One of them will be busted for a DUI

and it wouldn't shock me one bit if one ends up committing suicide

One or perhaps more will end up feeling angry and resentful

I am sorry, but it is just not natural to never raise your voice towards your children. I think Michelle is addicted to the attention she gets being pregnant and is a prime candidate for someone who will later manifest symptoms of Maunchausons by Proxy. It's always the quiet and sweet ones who end up snapping and draowning their kids. It's normal and healthy to show a little anger sometimes.

CalifNative 3 years ago

I am certainly of the belief that America is the land of the free and that we have the ability to choose our own lives and destinies. That being said, I think that having 18 children crosses the fine line that separates freedom from license.

My husband's mother was one of 13 children. Within the last year, her mother died at the age of 102. My mother in law's eldest sister hadn't spoken to her mother in years, because she was angry at her mother for the fact that she felt that she never had a childhood, because she had to raise her younger siblings. Though none of them may not verblaize it, you cannot tell me that some of those Duggar girls will not end up feeling the same way.

Living such a sheltered existence (being home schooled and only associating with those are home schooled also) should any of these children attend college, even in a relatively smaller big city like Little Rock, they will be in for a culture shock. I predict that should any of these kids go to college one of 2 things will happen, either they will be outcasts or they will run wild and rebel. I have known children from very religious large families and at least one of them rebels, especially children of ministers (Grace Jone, Alice Cooper anyone?).

Psychological studies also show that depression and serious mental illness manifest more (proportinately speaking) in large families rather than smaller ones.

It will be interesting to see what will happen to all these children 20 years from now, but I will make some predictions and only time will tell to see if I am right:

At least one of the daughters will end up being wild and a bit trampy and disowned

One of them will be busted for a DUI

and it wouldn't shock me one bit if one ends up committing suicide

One or perhaps more will end up feeling angry and resentful

I am sorry, but it is just not natural to never raise your voice towards your children. I think Michelle is addicted to the attention she gets being pregnant and is a prime candidate for someone who will later manifest symptoms of Maunchausons by Proxy. It's always the quiet and sweet ones who end up snapping and draowning their kids. It's normal and healthy to show a little anger sometimes.

bridget 3 years ago

Does anyone else think the name Jim Bob is retarded? Only people who have 20 kids and dress the same as their five year old are named Jim Bob.

Sheno 3 years ago

I definitely agree with you but not just about being creepy. This family just makes me a bit angry. I KNOW we all have our freedoms but there has to be a line drawn some-freaking-where between individual rights and common good. Imagine if every woman had that large of a family with some sex-crazed man. Our world would explode from overpopulation. Some of you may say that women are Africa are each having around 6-7 children each. GUESS WHAT? Those women have no choice and if they DID they wouldn't waste their life being pregnant and this has been proven by many countries. These people are being horribly selfish by creating so many children and then encouraging them to create children. I don't mind religious beliefs, but when they counter science I get kind of exasperated. A Muslim's religious beliefs may be to kill Hindus. Is this right? No. I'm not saying birthing large families is wrong, but at a time like this it is not responsible. You can always adopt if you desire a large family...look at Brangelina! A bit of birthing and a bit of adopting. Also they are being horrible to the women with the whole Josh-Anna thing. It really disgusts me. Here is where they draw the line and really make me hate them. Fine they were irresponsible having so many children but really? Anna submitting to his 'authority'? It is people like the Duggars who are ruining the human progress. And finally, all the children do the same things, such as playing instruments, etc. Now I just wonder, how is it that 16-17 kids ALL end up liking music? Ok I admit there might be a possibility but come on! I bet at least ONE kid isn't really into music. Yet they do it, WHY? Because the Duggars are freaking psychotic and don't let anyone have their individual opinions and personalities!

Well that's my viewpoint. Sorry if it offends or anything, but I am allowed to share my opinion :)

Fontie 3 years ago

This family is home schooled, the parents have no clue about what's happening in our world, She had no clue what a head shop was didn't reconize a hash pipe. They need to Live in todays world, get out of that bubble. These kids will not survive in the real world. Get with the program Dugger family, befor it's too late, Do they vote? do they even read the news?

JimDan 3 years ago

I find it amazing that for the Duggar's, charity begins and ends at home. I have yet to see anyone in this opportunistic family do anything charitable or being of service or help to anyone outside the family. The Duggar family is self centered and have a robotic lack of concern for their fellow man. The Duggar world begins and ends with the Duggars and their comfort and their attitude of entitlement. Also, I am surprised in the obsession with worldly goods within this family. Apparently, the Bible takes a back seat while the Duggars sell themselves out on a weekly basis thru TV, speaking gigs or hawking a book. Other families, much less fortunate volunteered or donated time, materials and food for Josh's wedding and reception. Jimbob thinks his family is giving back by feeding some animals at a wildlife reserve! Any family would pay for the opportunity to feed the animals up close, but in Jimbob's warped view, the family is helping others!

Hey Duggar's, try helping your fellow nonfamily neighbor! This person might be non white or even non christian! Also, try teaching your homeschooled kids about compassion,concern, and care towards others, personal and family sacrifice, and that rewards come in the afterlife! Also, we are all brothers and sisters, not just the 20 people secluded in your family compound. I guess I don't remember anywhere in the Bible where it tells man to sell out his family and their private lives on a weekly TV show for pieces of silver, or a fitted out tour bus, or a house finished and furnished thru donations and TV paybacks. Duggars are a family of "Posers" who need to learn to "Represent"

ABC 3 years ago

Totally agree !!!!!!

Joe Bob 3 years ago

Jim Dan has nailed it !

Jim Duggar is in reality a shrewd and cunning man of the worst sort. His vanity and obsession with his looks and his overuse of hair lacquer is creepy. He rivals PT Barnum for creating a great show with freak appeal. He convinces his wife to keep breeding so they can get the tax benefits of a church. He never misses an opportunity to parade his brood around because there might be some good hearted individual who will donate something to the family. He finds family outings where he will get free admission, keepsakes and the plot for his next money making episode. His kids seem to feel entitled or as they put it "blessed." How about teaching them some responsibility other than the older girls raising their younger siblings? How about stop using all those paper cups and do something green for the envirnomnent?

When Josh gets married you can see that his future in laws live in a double wide that has seen better days. The bride to be's sisters do all of the sewing on the bridesmaids dresses. I'm sure all Jim Bob had to do was put a call into David's Bridals, promise a great episode with lots of media attention with the girls trying them on and looking for modesty in the gowns and gotten free dresses. But wait a minute. then it would have meant helping out someone other than himself.

Unfortnately for Jim Bob, this show will be off the air soon. Maybe Josh and his bride will buy another season if they get on the program soon with a new baby. Michelle Duggar has played that card already. I hope that at some point these kids get to experience the world and not stay cloistered for life on the Duggar compound.

chatter 3 years ago

to Joe Bob's comments, without trying to be too harsh and judgemental, i agree with most of your comments. all the reality people gain financially from their shows. i'm not sure how very much though. they aren't Brad Pitts after all. but i can't help but notice the hypocracy of their show considering their kids watch very little tv. at least the other reality family's dont claim such of their kids.

further, i so have to agree with your environment sentence. and the help someone else was too funny. watched the diamond mining episode and jim bob said if he found 1 he would sell it and invest. i was appalled. thought he might say give to the needy or something. wow

and i did a facebook search and found josh duggar other than the group thing. man, did he have alot of friends, mostly women, and some very provocative pics. why does his new wife allow that. then the next day, the page was just gone. i did copy the profile pic, and it is small but i'm sure it was of him and his wife. i cant zoom it though to make sure. i was quite disgusted though that he had so many female friends. none im sure that he knows. he's 20, on tv and full of himself because of it. but is that very christian? and i would so not allow my husband to allow that many anonymous friends. i wait your reply

ABC 3 years ago

The Duggers are the true reality TV family, messed up, full of themselves and claim to be christians, what a load of bullsh-t! hahah

Anonymous 3 years ago

I have to say I myself think the Duggar family is a little odd. I feel sorry for the kid because they are way too sheltered. They are way too conservative as well. They need to lighten up on the clothing a little. The girls should wear pants for some of the activities they do.

Paulie 3 years ago

Hear! Hear! Joe Bob. I think your comments are right on.

Esse 3 years ago

Quiverfull.....just when exactly is a man's quiver full? Where is that in the bible?? That is the loophole that allows people to take it to the limit and beyond. There is a point where enough is enough. But when? I believe in God but does that mean I keep on reproducing over and over till my body is so exhausted that I die a nice young age? I would rather have my three children whom I can dedicate all the time and attention they need rather than passing the buck to the next available sibling to raise. They call themselves parents? I don't think so. Try raising EACH one until they are ready to leave. She doesn't yell because she doesn't have to deal with it. The older children do. Gee maybe I should have had more so I could have built in pseudo parents for all the future children I decide to pop out. No wonder life is easy. REAL parenting isn't a holiday. It's a challenge and a labour of love. It's about being down to earth and taking EVERYTHING that your children dish out. Whether it be the little bumps and bruises to fighting with each other. My children are VERY well behaved by the way. I get compliments everywhere I go about how well behaved they are. Gee and I didn't have build in nannies to do it for me. What a concept! Let's have a new show where Michelle has to raise them all on her own without her older children doing all the work for her. Now that would be a show I would watch!!

Empress Lauren 3 years ago

I don't hate the Duggars because they are a large family or their religious beliefs. I hate them because they are so damn annoying about it. They constantly push their faith in other peoples faces. They have no tolerance for others of different lifestyles and think they are great because of this. The kids have the charisma of a dead frog and they isolated from others. These people make me sick. When the oldest, who is younger than me, has no higher education and runs a used car lot, got married they were talking about how they can't wait for them to have grandchildren. How warped are their minds? I'm not saying that a big family is bad. I knew a family that had 16 children, however most of them were adopted. But here's the kicker: some of these kids had some kind of handicap and the couple adopted them because they wanted to not because some religion said it was a good thing to do. Why didn't that family get a TV show. Also, someone said on here that most of us had less than great childhoods because we had smaller families. What the hell? I am an only child and I can tell you my childhood was awesome. Yeah, I was spoiled by my parents sometimes, but they also kept me grounded. I can't stand it when people say that must have been hard growing up with no siblings. Please, I had my own room, I didn't have to fight for bathroom space, and I birthday parties were spectacular. So, don't tell me I didn't have it good. Last point: Ok the eldest proposed to his girlfriend, but didn't want to kiss her because that would be too intimate? That must have been the most awkward wedding night.

GetOuttaTown 3 years ago

I got stuck watching their show tonight and it blows my mind. Tonight was about their one kid getting married and he and his soon-to-be wife have never even kissed. Are you kidding me. These kids are robots. I am just blown away that this Duggar kid found a girl thats as wierd as he. I think its great to hold on to your virginity, but not to even kiss. So wierd. And where did this kid propose, a Dennys? This family makes Disney look like Hustler.

Jennifer 3 years ago

Shame on you. Would you rather he was like most of the young people in America today and HAD to marry his girl because he couldn't keep it in his pants before marriage? I think the Duggars are a wonderful family. They raised their oldest son to be a decent man, and their other children are all so well behaved and sweet. You think there is something wrong with that, really?

Jennifer 3 years ago

JimDan, . "The duggars never did anything charitable for anyone".....blah, blah, blah. Apparantly you didn't see the episode where they went to El Salvador and bought so many toys and food for children that don't have any. Nor did you know that they do this EVERY YEAR, even before they had the TLC show. You have nothing better to do than to spread lies about this sweet family? What have YOU done for YOUR fellow man, huh? Other than rip them apart on a blog when you don't even know what you are talking about. Are you MAN enough to now apologize and admit you were wrong about them not doing anything for anyone? Probably NOT.

Andre 3 years ago

Michelle Duggar is my aunt. I spent most summers growing up vacationing with her and my grandparents. For all the commentors that say they push their faith and aren't tolerant don't know them. I am a long haired, body pierced atheist, who believes in evolution, and they have always excepted me. They have never pushed their beliefs on me.

And I do know for a fact that they are extremely loving towards all their children.

I know so many "normal" families that are so much worse off than they are.

ABC 3 years ago

Dont you think that maybe some of the Dugger children are writting on this board, boy reading Jennifers comments it sounds like a Dugger child to me.....hahahahahah

What would mummy and Daddy think? ....lol

Hannah 3 years ago

This is just wrong. Don't these kids even know about the real world? That Women have rights and that there are tons of children that need to be adopted? In my opinion, the Duggar parents don't really care about their children at all. They're like people who buy puppies and then give them away as soon as they aren't cute any more. The Duggar parents just like playing with babies, but as soon as they become difficult to keep up with, they hand them off to an older sibling. These kids will be scarred for life. I really can't wait for a memoir!

shannabanana 3 years ago

Sounds like the Duggar family sold their souls to the devil and have a very nice front of being 'Christans' to hide it. A big house, big TV show, a big political career, big fake smiles and creepy obediant kids. As we all know, it's hard to be a politician without having to give up something. But Jim Bob has it all.

Read the writing on the wall, people. Jim Bob is the antichrist and Michelle is in for the ride. The plan is to overpopulate and take over. Get your family in the spotlight and get into the weak and trusting peoples' hearts. He's almost there.

And....The Duggar Family is creepy.

Jarod 3 years ago

For the family member who posted who is the atheist / their REALLY NICE because they want to SAVE YOU! DONT YOU GET IT?

CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT! CULT ALERT!

Jennifer 3 years ago

Hannah....why should people that are able to have children of their own be criticized for not adopting? That makes no sense. Most people adopt kids because they aren't able to have kids of their own. And, no---I am not a Duggar child as one poster accused. I don't understand why most people on this blog take such joy in ripping this decent family to shreds. Yes, their children are well behaved. Yes, they love each other. And yes...they have alot of kids...which is their God-given right to do so. They aren't on welfare and they managed to take care of the kids just fine BEFORE TLC offered them a show. I'm sure they would have continued to do fine w/out TLC, too. How many of you bloggers have kids that are messed up, marriages that are failing, etc...? I think the reason you all rip the Duggars apart is because deep down, you wish you had what the Duggars have. How does it go? "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone...." By the looks of this blog, there must be ALOT of perfect, sinless people, huh..... :::sarcastic roll of eyes::::

Randy 3 years ago

Most of us know the Duggars only becuase of their TV show but please keep in mind since the TV show is only about their family you will see only what they want you to see.

I would also think that a large part of their financial success has come from their TV show and related sales and advertising. I think it would be interesting to see a break down of how much income they derive from "ALL" the different sources, including their real-estate business, the TV show, their book, and or product endorsements including any donations they may have received anywhere along the way.

Mickey 3 years ago

So where is written in U.S. law that it is illegal to make money with a reality t.v. show? No where. So why is that being listed as one of the Duggar family's many "crimes" against humanity. If you don't like the show don't watch it.

As for the people who have suggested the family adopt, did you happen to see the special on the Murphy family. 23 adopted children, most with special needs. If adoption is the golden ticket to having a super sized family they certainly win. Yet no one is asking the really tough questions. What will happen to those children and adults, the majority of whom cannot live on their own, when their parents are no longer able to care for them? Adoption, in my opinion, is a tricky business, and not always as rewarding as Discovery channel specials make it out to be.

Overall I admire the Duggar parents for raising their children with a strong work ethic, a strong sense of family and a commitment to moral values. I may not want that many kids, but as long as I'm not footing the bill, it's none of my business what they do.

ABC 3 years ago

yep your right we shouldnt be concerned about how the duggers are breeding, raising their brood, yet in the whole of the bigger picture Mickey, have you stopped to think about how those dugger children have been programed that having a large family comes rewards by the way the parents beleive in their way of life.

well stop and ponder this The duggers if they all breed at the rate mother and father are when old enough lets say the youngest now in 20 years has her first child, what effect do you think that will have on the worldy Global warming, not to mention the enveriomental effects, look we are all living on a dying plannet now dying a slow death, and yet we the human rase say we need to do this and stop driving that and using this, yet truthfully in 20 years the world is going to be in a worst situation than it is now, so why knowing this, why shouldnt people say look Duggers its great you live like you do thats fine, yet when you home school your children teach them about how we as a population now cant cope with the amount of humans that are here living on this dying plannet, and dont do what mummy and daddy are doing being selfish to the rest of the population, think about that Mickey!!!!

Mickey 3 years ago

I certianly have thought about that. If we were to do what's best for this planet then every human being should here and now be sterilized. At the rate things are going even allowing couples to have no more than one child each will not save this planet. All we can do is hope that the Duggar children won't do the same as their parents, the same way I hope most of the people on this planet will decide not to have any. There are a lot of things wrong with this world, and families like the Duggars, few and far between as they are, are by no means the biggest.

There are smaller families in this country with three plus cars, burning up fossil fuels and filling the atmosphere with carbon dioxide. Do you believe they are teaching their children anything about protecting this planet. Think about that.

ABC 3 years ago

Totally agree and I constantly think about it, more so when I look at my two year old grandchild, and think, my goodness what are the human race leaving for this generation and younger ones to come, so I teach my grandchildren, yet I didnt continue to breed and I dont encourage all my children that havent children yet to think before they act, i tell them is their going to be a plannet for your future children, I dont make stupid statements like the duggers at their oldest son's wedding , we look forward to lots of grandchildren........!!!!!! so what do you think the Dugger children will do, like the saying goes monkey see monkey do!!

norma 3 years ago

The one thing that freaked me out is when the camera man asked one of the girls about their long hair. One of the girls said that their dad liked long hair.....because their daddy likes long hair, does that mean they have long hair, whether they like it or not ??????Creepy...creepy....

emon 3 years ago

chrisitian robots they have great family morals and are completely chrisitian and theres nothing wrong with that. Its there business on what they wanna do quit hating and get over it. Your going to hell if you say anything bad about this family.

roddma 3 years ago

Not only should I breed nbunches of children but they should only hang around other Christian children? Christian can mean many things. Neither the government nor the media should dictate how many or if any at all children a couple has. This is a personal decision.You will never see a child free couple on TLC because society says you cant be happy without them. To those who think we criticize because of our messed up lives, husband and I will be happy with or without. We have stayed together ten years without kids. How many wives get abandoned because they cant reproduce? Talk about messed up. Children and marriage dont always bring happiness either. Multiple children is not best for everyone so dont judge.

Isome 3 years ago

I was just talking to my mother about the Duggars the other day. She thinks they're a wonderful Christian family. I think they are CREEPY. (That was the exact word I used.)

I don't put too much stock in what my mother thinks about people, because as long as they profess to be Christians she thinks they're wonderful. She was also a fan of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim & Tammy Baker until their respective falls from grace.

ABC 3 years ago

Hey a christian is a person that beleives in the Easter bunny and father christmas and the tooth fairy............they all have blind faith, and thats it they are blind to what is the real picture....heheheh

Christians are nothing more than a label given for a person that cant live with what choices they have made in their lives and therefore seek some sort of justification for why they are like they are.........they instead turn to a faith and declare themselves forgiven through accepting Jesus into their hearts, truth is bottom line, they are unreal none truthful people that band together and point fingers at others for not sharing in the same belief system as them, by saying " ask jesus to forgive you for your wrong doings as that was what he died for" I say yeah right..........grown a brain and take responsiblity for what choices you made and live with them simple!

k_ann 3 years ago

First I want to start by saying that I am a pentecostal christian, have been my whole life. I have NEVERbeen taught to breed for the kingdom as it seems the Duggars have done. I have to agree with others that by adopting and bringing in foster care would be a much better use of their God-given talents.

This is my biggest issue with the family: They have made a spectacle out of their "religion". Being a christian is about having a relationship with Jesus Christ, it is not about rules as this family has clearly done.

If there is truth to the family declaring their home a "church", my conscience is clear in saying that is wrong.

There is nothing wrong with having a schedule, but once the children hit the age of accounability there should not be a forced schedule. To force your children is wrong.

If you have faith in God, I do not believe you would need to be that controlling of your family.

To those christians who say that this is not cult like, I must disagree 100%. It does seem very cult like. Does this family actually go to church outside their home?

God does bless people with multiple children, but I believe they have taken matters into their own hands out of grief for their miscarriage due to the pill. The fact that she does not give her body much time to heal is not would God would want.

The word christian is such a loose term in today's society. I believe christianity has become "religion". God does not teach us to be "religious" but to have a real relationship with Him. A relationship with God makes a christian. These people seem to be religious and there is a difference.

I hope that what is portrayed by this family does not keep others from having a relationship with God.

We are to strive to be Christ-like. This family seems to be perfect and that is what is scary. What really goes on when the cameras are off?

FROM A MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE:

I do not believe that they are leaving their pregnancies up to the hands of God. If you have ever taken a medical course you would know how much of a miracle it is to concieve a child. There is literally a very slim window of oppurtunity to concieve each month. You can not convince me that they have gotten pregnant by chance 18 times. That is called strategic planning. Even in remote areas of the world where it is customary for women to have lots of children it is rarely that many in the end.

Nevertheless, the children are here therefore they are a blessing from God and that is the truth. My heart and prayers go out to those children. To be sheltered as they are is wrong. But then again, I doubt mommy and daddy have given them much aspirations to go out into the world---> which is what Christ has called us to do....

With as scheduled as the time is in this family, where did the oldest get the chance to go out and date?????

kat and Jas 3 years ago

Hmmmm Intresting comments, yes from a medical point of veiw, there is a small window of oppurtunity for a pregnancy to accure, yet the Dugger parents hit that window all the time, so I tend to agree with what has been said, Mrs dugger must know at the right time when she is able to conceive, I wouldnt be at all surpised if the Billingly method isnt practise and known to Mrs duggers.

All life is a miricle and a blessing , yet it is a part of life, we grow and develope and multiply and die, thats the circle of creation in all walks of life, yet the Duggers are taking it as if the lord has something to do with it all, and that to me is a falsness they show to the world, yet for some that are so religous and dont really understand what being a christain really is stand and defends the Duggers yet truthfully it is nothing more than humbo yumbo this what is shown to the world, people that are very ignorrant, uneducated sheep that live by the laws of some faith, remember more demage has been caused through religion than any other cause known to man, yet people still defend and stand by the cause rather than see what really has or is taking place.

I just want to know how the Duggers will cope when told soon after birth that their child given from the lord, has some physical and mental disorder due to over populatating and the mothers age factor, what justifaction will the Duggers use?This is the question I ask and this question is being asked from a medical opinion! After all we in the medical field are left to explaine to these parents the whats and why this has happen and then help them knowing this all could have been prevented........................yet again that stupid way of thinking comes into play and that is God is looking out for us, and the lord wants us to live like that...again Religion!

roddma 3 years ago

There are poor people right here in America Just turn the block and you'll see foreclosed houses and the like America cant take care of its own people and yet preaches to help neighboring countries liek the Duggars

Good Person 3 years ago

I love this family and your blog is a huge waste of time. It's a free country and they can do what they want. To tell someone they cannot have children or raise them any way they want as long as they are not being abused is communism.

The way they live may be different than most in our society, but it's not wrong. They raise their children to be respectable, responsible and most of all, to be followers of Jesus Christ.

alyssen 3 years ago

I think the Duggar's are an amazing family. I have to give them so much respect to be able to take care of such a large family. There is nothing wrong with a courtship. It takes a lot of self control not to even kiss before they were married, and I have much respect for them. I myself was also married at a young age. I am now 21 and have 3 children myself. I can understand why they would want to have many children. As long as they can take care of their children, then it shouldn't matter if they want to have 30 children. Every child is a gift from GOD. They had went through hardships and have also lost children because of contraceptives. I also think that it is great that the family shares their life with us.

ABC 3 years ago

Boy you just cant talk to some people that are so lost in their faith, why do they become so blind, and also Judgemental? after all no one said the Duggers cant have children,......

My advise to all those that beleive the duggers to be right in the way they live.....well good for you I say, just dont preach your iggnorance onto the likes of me, who happens to enjoy this hub page......:)

Dragonfly 3 years ago

After I read this comments, wow it very pretty about negatives and positives... we all are judging their outside of book, but we should judge inside before we judge the outside of book.

ABC 3 years ago

What the hell are you talking about?, at least make what your saying readable to others that would like to make sence of your comment!..........you may have worded it this way, before we judge the person based on how they live, first we must judge our own way of life!!!!!.......instead of the outside book and so forth.

Just a helpful hint thats all, :)

Boston905 3 years ago

I like this blog. I have posted on it and like to return from time to time to read the opinions of others about this insane, irresponsible family. I actually quit watching the show recently because it was just too upsetting for me. I disagree entirely with how they are raising their children (blanket training, female servitude, insular environment, lack of personal choices), with the fact they continue to breed without regard for their other children who end up becoming each new baby's caretaker, lack of respect for our planet's resources, their religious "philosophy", patriarchal attitudes, etc. I could go on and on and on. I think the topper for me, even more than the spooky courtship ritual of the oldest son or the sexist manner in which the daughters are being raised, was when they revealed how a child had to make an appointment to speak with mom or dad. Michelle ~ Jim Bob, how would you have felt as a child to have to make an appointment to talk to your mom and dad about something important?

Dragonfly 3 years ago

Oh I only give my opinionals, if it dont make sense to you and I am deaf person....

Kat and Jase 3 years ago

Thanks Paulie for your kind words in regards to the recent loss of our son, as the time passes the pain becomes alittle better to handle, yet I dont beleive you ever get over the loss of a loved one.

Personally for me the point I was trying to make was , regardless of what the Duggers beleive in or how they live, they are a family and that in itself is a blessing, more so in this day and age, with so many unloved and unwanted children casted aside by uncaring People that will not and dont want to take responsiblity for them, as far as the Duggers stuctured life style goes, it is abit weird and strange, to me its very old age programming that the children are raised in, yet they are a family and therefore that deserves respect, yet I will not be changing my way for a Duggers way of living, its not for me nor my family..........:)

miranda 3 years ago

the Duggers are wierd. its annoying how they all wear the same clothes. i feel bad for the girls in havig to dress like that..that look has been out for like a century.mrs.dugger should get her tubes tied. havig more children in an economy like this is selfish. i beleive the only reaso they are popping out more children is for fame and money. obviously people are donating everything to them. growing up, my parents couldt even support me and my brother. an average family could never support 20 children. the duggers should getoff tv. they make me sick.

jax 3 years ago

What I think is wrong is if the older kids were allowed to go to school the parents wouldn't last a day at home with the younger ones!!! the mother is addicted to having babies and when they are at walking age they are passed on to the older kids to raise so having a big family is great i come from seven being second to oldest i babysat occasionally but never had to give up my childhood to raise my mothers kids!!

ABC 3 years ago

Jax I think large family's are great too, yet draw the line at expecting the older children to be parents to the younger children....this is what is weird I feel in regards to the Dugger family.......

Effie 3 years ago

Creepy

momof3 3 years ago

The Duggers are NOT pentcostal! They belong to some Baptist church. Most Pentcostal quit dressing like them 30 years ago. I ought to know, I grew up in a pentcostal church and still attend one. That said, I like the Duggers but not Michelle. She gets on my last nerve! She's sickly sweet and it doesn't seem real.

I have an adopted specal needs child from China- I have nothing against having a large family, we would have had more children if we didn't have fertility issues but to me share some of that familylove with a child that has nobody to care. Michelle seems to brag at the beginning of the show that she has 18 children herself. If they love kids so much, adopt one or 20! I think she's addicted to having a newborn and all the fuss that goes with it.

rj 3 years ago

Deplorable example of myopic christianity.

david bihler 3 years ago

permitting any group of people to live off the public dole, specifically

property tax avoidance in the name of religion is in direct violation

of church and state: dear IRS, please audit these "lovable parasites".

ssminow 3 years ago

I think they are weird beyond belief. I found it interesting that one of the daughters couldn't do a simple mathematic problem that any 12 year old should be able to do. On one episode they actually left one of the children and went sailing off on the babyexpress before returning to gather the crying child.

I think they are a sham, fraud and just plain ....BULLSHIT.

Anonymous 3 years ago

I think that this family lives in a bubble...To me I think that it is kind of sad that they are so far removed from what is going on around them in the world. Just because everyone is not like them doesnt mean that everyone is bad...To them having sex or even kissing out of wedlock is wrong...so if a teenager has unprotected sex why is that a sin and not 'one of god's blessings'....

boston905 3 years ago

Well, it didn't take the oldest son long to start his own baby train. Just read he and his bride are expecting a child in October, 2009. I actually wondered what had taken them so long. They were married all of 4months before she got pregnant. I'm sure we'll be hearing soon that Michelle is pregnant again. Her newest infant is now 4 months old ~ she has about one a year so I guess it's time for her to spit out another one.

If each Duggar child reproduces at the rate of their parents, within five generations there will be ONE MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT DUGGARS descended from Michelle & Jim Bob. Heaven help us.

ABC 3 years ago

Your Right Boston905, the breeding train has begun, boy Michelle and Jimbob should be real proud of the fact they have achieved the out come they were looking for, and that was to brain wash their children into the same mind frame thinking that they have...:)

ABC 3 years ago

david I think Jimbob was elected as some form of government official, not to sure on that one as I read it somewhere, yet if he was do you think the IRS would check them out? I dont think so as he would have many so call friends in government and I dare say the IRS too, Here in Australia many a bad government official's do get away with almost anything and have many loop holes to crawl through, like we say here if you want to committ a crime that you can get away with get into politic's, you sure to get away with anything, they have no justise to answer to......so as far as the duggers go, I beleive they have explored the beniefts and a ways to advoid paying any taxes.....hmmmmm

Jay Cee 3 years ago

The only thing I like about watching the show is finding little slips that are allowed in. Like the day they went shopping as a family - they bought all of of the kids used shoes (like that's really good for a growing child's foot - I bet the parents don't wear used shoes; well maybe the mom, but I'm darn sure not the dad) then went to a warehouse type store for groceries. Did anyone notice the dad putting a CASES of Pringles Potato Chips on the check out? Come on now - you can't buy your kids a NEW pair of shoes, but you can buy cases of potato chips??? Also in the same show, one of the girls said she liked the shopping trips because "we get to go out". I think that's sad that a child rarely gets to see the outside world. They rarely watch TV, their computer time is limited (and you better believe they aren't allowed to surf the net), and they don't socialize....What type of education in life are these children really getting ? Well, on one of the shows one girl told us - Her goal is to get married and have lots of children. These girls aren't even aware they have choices. Well, like many have said before, they will have tons of experience in child rearing, they have literally raised their younger siblings. I guess others also wondered where the money came from since the show openings now include that they "make ends meet" from rent they receive from commercial properties ......I wonder where they got the bus they travel in - looks like it was really inexpensive. Religion aside, most ppl don't have huge families these days because they simply can't afford to house, feed, clothe and educate them. Well, I haven't seen anyone applying to, or attending college (or any institution of higher learning for that matter) so I guess that's one expense the Duggars don't worry about, and the cookie cutter dresses and thrift shop polo shirts shouldn't cost them much, and they sure don't have any barber/beauty shop expense (every time I see the mom I feel like dragging her to a salon and getting her hair styled). If anyone saw the recent show about the power outage you saw some pretty wound up kids (makes me want to see a REAL day in their lives, not one altered for the camera). Personally, as far as I'm concerned they can have as many kids as they can support - however, allow these kids some individuality, allow them to experience the real world, and give them some choices. It will be interesting to read about these kids in years to come - who will become an alcoholic, drug addict or even worse because they cannot cope with the real world...........SAD but it most likely will happen to at least one of them, since unlike even the Amish who give their kids a chance at the age of 18 to see the outside world before making a life decision, the Duggar's won't allow any choices.

Jay Cee 3 years ago

The only thing I like about watching the show is finding little slips that are allowed in. Like the day they went shopping as a family - they bought all of of the kids used shoes (like that's really good for a growing child's foot - I bet the parents don't wear used shoes; well maybe the mom, but I'm darn sure not the dad) then went to a warehouse type store for groceries. Did anyone notice the dad putting a CASES of Pringles Potato Chips on the check out? Come on now - you can't buy your kids a NEW pair of shoes, but you can buy cases of potato chips??? Also in the same show, one of the girls said she liked the shopping trips because "we get to go out". I think that's sad that a child rarely gets to see the outside world. They rarely watch TV, their computer time is limited (and you better believe they aren't allowed to surf the net), and they don't socialize....What type of education in life are these children really getting ? Well, on one of the shows one girl told us - Her goal is to get married and have lots of children. These girls aren't even aware they have choices. Well, like many have said before, they will have tons of experience in child rearing, they have literally raised their younger siblings. I guess others also wondered where the money came from since the show openings now include that they "make ends meet" from rent they receive from commercial properties ......I wonder where they got the bus they travel in - looks like it was really inexpensive. Religion aside, most ppl don't have huge families these days because they simply can't afford to house, feed, clothe and educate them. Well, I haven't seen anyone applying to, or attending college (or any institution of higher learning for that matter) so I guess that's one expense the Duggars don't worry about, and the cookie cutter dresses and thrift shop polo shirts shouldn't cost them much, and they sure don't have any barber/beauty shop expense (every time I see the mom I feel like dragging her to a salon and getting her hair styled). If anyone saw the recent show about the power outage you saw some pretty wound up kids (makes me want to see a REAL day in their lives, not one altered for the camera). Personally, as far as I'm concerned they can have as many kids as they can support - however, allow these kids some individuality, allow them to experience the real world, and give them some choices. It will be interesting to read about these kids in years to come - who will become an alcoholic, drug addict or even worse because they cannot cope with the real world...........SAD but it most likely will happen to at least one of them, since unlike even the Amish who give their kids a chance at the age of 18 to see the outside world before making a life decision, the Duggar's won't allow any choices.

Jay Cee 3 years ago

The only thing I like about watching the show is finding little slips that are allowed in.  Like the day they went shopping as a family - they bought all of of the kids used shoes (like that's really good for a growing child's foot - I bet the parents don't wear used shoes; well maybe the mom, but I'm darn sure not the dad) then went to a warehouse type store for groceries.  Did anyone notice the dad putting a CASES of Pringles Potato Chips on the check out?  Come on now - you can't buy your kids a NEW pair of shoes, but you can buy cases of potato chips???  Also in the same show, one of the girls said she liked the shopping trips because "we get to go out".  I think that's sad that a child rarely gets to see the outside world.  They rarely watch TV, their computer time is limited (and you better believe they aren't allowed to surf the net), and they don't socialize outside of families just like their own....What type of education in life are these children really getting ?  Well, on one of the shows one girl told us - Her goal is to get married and have lots of children.  These girls aren't even aware they have choices.  Well, like many have said before, they will have tons of experience in child rearing, they have literally raised their younger siblings.  I guess others also wondered where the money came from since the show openings now include that they "make ends meet" from rent they receive from commercial properties ......I wonder where they got the bus they travel in - looks like it was really inexpensive.  Religion aside, most ppl don't have huge families these days because they simply can't afford to house, feed, clothe and educate them.  Well, I haven't seen anyone applying to, or attending college (or any institution of higher learning for that matter) so I guess that's one expense the Duggars don't worry about, and the cookie cutter dresses and thrift shop polo shirts shouldn't cost them much, and they sure don't have any barber/beauty shop expense (every time I see the mom I feel like dragging her to a salon and getting her hair styled).  If anyone saw the recent show about the power outage you saw some pretty wound up kids (makes me want to see a REAL day in their lives, not one altered for the camera).  Personally, as far as I'm concerned they can have as many kids as they can support - however, allow these kids some individuality, allow them to experience the real world, and give them some choices.  It will be interesting to read about these kids in years to come - who will become an alcoholic, drug addict or even worse because they cannot cope with the real world...........SAD but it most likely will happen to at least one of them, since unlike even the Amish who give their kids a chance at the age of 18 to see the outside world before making a life decision, the Duggar's won't allow any choices.

Jay Cee 3 years ago

Instead of the Duggars going out of the US to offer assistance to others, it would have been really nice to see a show about them traveling to Appalachia to bring gifts and necessities. Or how about a show where Michelle and the girls make shrouds for the poor babies of Appalachia (many mothers there don't even have anything for them to wear in death) due to the high infant mortality rate. Let them learn of the poverty right in this county, not too far from where they live.

Donna 3 years ago

Here's a thought...think you'll ever see this family on Nanny 911? No Way! Sadly, those families probably more accurately portray the average American family experience than the Duggar family. It is interesting to watch a family function as such a cohesive, cooperative unit. All religious prejudices and beliefs aside, I am encouraged by the kindness they consistently demonstrate toward one another.

star 3 years ago

they don't socialize outside of families just like their own i think this is very races

Raven 3 years ago

I used to watch the show a lot, I do admit that seeing such a large family from only one woman was fascinating to me.

Until I saw the episode about the family going to the Creationalist museum. *gagging* To say that humans lived side by side with the dinosaurs and the world was only 6000 years old made me nauseated... And their comments about how man "didn't" evolve from apes did it for me, I changed channels on the spot. It has been proven that we share about 98% of our DNA with chimps... Do they discount the fact that DNA exists too???

Like others, I see one of the children going nuts and either really rebelling and writing a tell all book or having a really bad case of culture shock and winding up in the nuthouse after seeing what the world is like outside of their bubble.

*UGH*

Thus being said, I am not against people having huge families. It's when they start trying to shove their religious beliefs down other people's throats that really annoys me. I believe in freedom of religion and they way the Duggars act, they think EVERYONE should believe exactly what they do, and that attitude is not welcome around others a good part of the time.

The blanket training... That really really made me upset, that's abuse in my opinion. Children need to explore the world around them, their PARENTS have to make sure the area is safe first and if one has to hit a child because they moved out of a certain area, the person who hit the child should be whipped within an inch of their life in my opinion!!

Duggars = HYPOCRITES (IMHO)

Viv 3 years ago

Do you not realize the way these people live was the norm for most of our world's history? They crazy way that we currently live in the US is NOT normal it is chaotic. This family is an example of what love and discipline look like. This is foreign to most young people who have grown up in a cynical society that has constantly dumbed them down. There is nothing "creepy" or freakish about being happy.

It saddens me to see some many youth of today waste themselves in pursuit of nothing. Texting constantly, yet having no REAL relationships. Desperately lonely in a group of "friends." Empty.

They are not selfishly trying to "clone" themselves they are trusting God to give them as many children as HE want to. It's about faith.

ABC 3 years ago

What a stupid remark....They are trusting God to give them as many children as HE wants too.....that is the most stupid dumb remark I have read in awhile, its time people understood having children is not deemed by a faith nor anything related, and sure is not determed By God, its the body and a group of hormons and the right enviorment for a womans body to reproduce, GOD has nothing what so ever to do with conception........Michelle's body alone will determine how many children she will pop out, and also while determine if they will be normal and healthy....that is a basic knowledge of how they human body works, now to say God will give them as many children as he calls fit, is a very guallable way of thinking and maybe if people do beleive that, need to go back to school and pay attention to what the teacher in human developement is telling them.......stupid people!

Boston905 3 years ago

Viv, do you REALLY believe that God is personally responsible for the number of children the Duggars or any other humans on the face of the Earth have? "...trusting God to give them as many children as HE wants to" is a very scary concept. If you take this type of thinking a step further, you are basically saying that all the illegitimate children born to young teenagers were pre-ordained by God. Does your way of thinking also apply to the children born of rape or incest or is it just children born to Christians in wedlock?

It's not about "faith", it's about the evolutionary process which drives humans to procreate. The Duggars are just a pair of homosapiens procreating at a selfish and totally irresponsible rate and then deeming their actions religious by stating that God is really the one in charge. I just don't get this way of thinking.

ABC 3 years ago

Boston905 its about time someone with some brains finally wrote something that is real......it so suprises me that some out there think this way, I am all for free speach and so forth, yet when someone writes the stupid remark about the duggers I think Oh my God are they for real????? you wrote your tread with such illteligence....well done!

disturbed 3 years ago

While I understand the joy parenting brings, I don't understand why these people don't adopt......and at some point these kids being deprived of normal experiences like going to school, hanging out with kids of different backgrounds or religions are going to come back to haunt these people.....and with so many kids, at least one of them is going to be gay..hopefully they won't tar and feather the kid

zoe 3 years ago

Why do people have to quote the bible word by word? Why don't they see that some of it is out of date? i.e. to have as many children as possible, to me, that was to ward off the high motality rate of babies back then. But today almost all kids survive and average life span has improved many folds. Plus today we are no longer farming, ranching, where having enough labors were so crucial.

Serenita' 3 years ago

These people are rather strange. Interesting how odd behavior is considered acceptable as long as it is under the guise of religion. Non-stop pregnancies, forcing the girls (and mother) to wear their hair long and long, "PA Dutch" like attire, (long prairie like skirts) is rather disturbing to me. Just another way to keep women down, which is what ALL religions do anyway. Why is there such a need in this country to behave in such extreme ways in order to be considered a Christian. I just don't get it. Gee, if Jesus were alive today what would he think?? I don't think that was the purpose of Christian teachings.

ed 2 years ago

I think the Duggers are cool. I love watching their show, they all seem so happy and positive. I wish my family was more like that. Im not religious at all but I can really appreciate their core values, and the Mum seems like the sweetest lady you could ever meet.

moon 2 years ago

I think they are great, and you are just jealous because you are so disfunctional. Who wouldn't want to live with so much love around them, as they obviously do.

Smacky 2 years ago

Oh please moon. Console yourself with our wickedness. I am a Christian and I get what is going on here very clearly. when the mother reaches down and whispers in her sons ear "Stop it or you'll get a time out" the boy knows she really means this is code for "Your going to get a beating." There is no way you can have such absolute control of children without beating them behind closed doors. this can make any child seem "perfect" if they are trained to look that way. this is really CULT BEHAVIOR----plain and simple!!!!

Please go back to your compounds. and STOP BLAMING GOD FOR YOUR IRRATIONAL BeLIEFS and CHOICES!!!!!!

Taylor 2 years ago

the duggar family is cool. i dont see why everybody is making fun of them. i think the parents are cool for keeping their temper all of the time. i wish the very best for this family and hope that all of the kids grow up to be very sucessful.

feenix851 2 years ago

Believe it or not---this WAS the norm many years ago and I think it is refreshing to see that we have families with morals and children that are well behaved in this troubling world today. My mother (88 yrs old) and father (deceased) both had 14 and 12, respectfully in their families and this was during the depression. It not only did not hurt them but helped them to become very strong individuals in their adult lives. I could not do this but I commend the Duggars!

Openmind 2 years ago

I like this family- they are different (for obvious reasons), but I think they are raising some really great kids with really great values. I love how Josh treats his new wife, Anna- he is so sweet to her. While they do things a bit different from the rest of us, let's not judge too quickly. Their way of living works for them and they aren't hurting anyone. What if your life was broadcast for everyone to see? What would people be saying about you?

Ava 2 years ago

I can't understand how Michelle looks so beautiful, not a sag, bag, or wrinkle, how???? With alllll those children, her husband, always happy and smiling, and calm. How?? I just simply cannot understand how incredibly beautiful she is, and her face and skin, not one sign of ' I AM TIRED '. Your opinion comments, I would love to read.

Boston905 2 years ago

Well, it's because her daughters are doing all the work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You would also have to consider that a woman's hormone level is at its highest when she is pregnant and because this woman is popping out a child at the rate of about one a year, her estrogen/progesterone levels are always elevated.

lmb 2 years ago

These people need to be arrested for child abuse. The children, especially the girls, are slaves. They are just trying to breed their own cult of little religious nut, right wing voters.

Ava 2 years ago

Boston905: Hey! Thanks! You know, I never considered the estrogen/progesterone levels! Smart person you are! Thanks for responding, and giving your opinion, I appreciate it. I was really hoping people would give their opinion/view on my query, and you did, again, thanks!

i h8 the duggars 2 years ago

This family is so annoying and they think their all that bcuz they have a freakshow of a family. They should join the circus. JOHN AND KATE ARE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My grandma gave birth to 15 kids and u dont see her boasting on the tv. The parents are fakes. They say they are religious when they make the older kids work as slaves. I wish the parents the worst ever!!!

amy 2 years ago

i cannot stand this preachers!...god this and god that...For being holy people that certainly like having Sex!

Hmm... 2 years ago

Just another example of stupid, selfish, attention seeking people if you ask me. It really bothers me, TLC would glorify any people like this. Hey, TLC!!! You should do a show on octa-mom. The world doesn't need you to have child for them. We all know the money to feed your addiction "have children" is coming from the state and the church offering.

OpenMinded 2 years ago

You all criticizing need to calm down. Real Christian do not point out fault. In America we have something called Freedom of Religion. Also, for the people that say the girls need to dress more fashionably... YOU are the reason girls are bulimic, cutting themselves, having sex, etc. JUST TO FIT IN. This life is not for everyone but we should not judge them. Also, we do not know all the facts Tiger1981 you do not need to spread blasphemy. I am adopted and it is a blessing but adoption is also very expensive while having sex with your husband is free. Adopting from other countries can cost 25 to 50k sometimes. As newlyweds I am sure they could not have afforded that.

OpenMinded 2 years ago

Also, maybe if my older brothers had helped care for me they would have some more life skills. They also might be a little more responsible. It is not all bad there is some benefit to working as a child. I worked on a farm every day of my life working for what I wanted. I have some very valuable life skills for doing other peoples' dirty work. Let me just state that I was NOT paid. 15 years 25-30 hours a week no pay

Sharon 2 years ago

Anyone who is so unhappy within themselves will always find fault with others who are living right and doing the right things. They are an example of what American families should be, then there wouldn't be so much violence, etc. Feel sorry for you all you negative people, why cant' you be happy for someone like the Duggars.

Josie 2 years ago

To the Duggers: STOP F**KING, for Christ's sake!

Her vagina must be helluva canyon. I'm just sooooo disgusted by them, and God this and that, it's just down right creepy.I do agree that their kids are well-behaved and polite. That's a miracle, considering that most family siblings fight and do stuff to each other! But this family is acting like robots and since they don't interact with the rest of the world, maybe they will start having inbred children? Hooo noooooooooooooooooo!

Josie 2 years ago

To the Duggers: STOP F**KING, for Christ's sake!

Her vagina must be helluva canyon. I'm just sooooo disgusted by them, and God this and that, it's just down right creepy.I do agree that their kids are well-behaved and polite. That's a miracle, considering that most family siblings fight and do stuff to each other! But this family is acting like robots and since they don't interact with the rest of the world, maybe they will start having inbred children? Hooo noooooooooooooooooo!

amber 2 years ago

environmentally irresponsible...among other things...

JimDan 2 years ago

The only time the Duggars help out their fellow man is when the network picks up the dime. These people are materialistic, opportunistic, and totally consumed with pleasures of the flesh or a video opportunity to make themselves look good.

On a episode, JimBob gets a free baseball outing with freebees for all and a luxury box. He is so arrogant, he tries to explain the game to his brood even though he doesn't knows the first thing about the game or the rules.

Third world countries know baseball, but not the Duggars.

I guess in the country of Duggar, baseball hasn't been introduced yet. Idiots like poster Jennifer should move to Duggarland and experience the life of a Duggar female in bondage to the men and then comment. Another poser!

karen 2 years ago

ok, to all the people who are hating on the duggars you are just jealous of what they have and you are proablly in so much debt and hate your own life i love my life and im expecting my 3rd child at 23 and married and i live fine i live acording to Gods will and im so happy and rich bc of that i don't thik ill have 18 kids and im not saying anyone should but why do you care what they do is it hurting you personally no, i didn't think so at least they take care of there kids which is more than i can say for you haters you pobablly spend what 2 hrs a day with yours and a nanny raises them thats messed up so stop hating and get over yourself

Isadora 2 years ago

The thing that bother me is how indoctrinated this children are.... they can't even choose their own clothes or hairstyle? I see a big lack of individualism in these kids

Natas 2 years ago

Another major problem with the insulation of the kids from society, is their home schooling.

One person can't possibly teach classes ranging in different ages in any effective manner (different grades, kids that can't read mixed with teenagers, lack of social interaction that developes real-world skills).

The kid's education will be highly limited and, of course, very dogmatic. I doubt they could even function outside of the family, and therefore are trapped into the lifestyle their parents created for them.

Natas 2 years ago

"Ava:

2 months ago

I can't understand how Michelle looks so beautiful, not a sag, bag, or wrinkle, how???? With alllll those children, her husband, always happy and smiling, and calm. How?? I just simply cannot understand how incredibly beautiful she is, and her face and skin, not one sign of ' I AM TIRED '. Your opinion comments, I would love to read."

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In my opinion, she looks very plain.

Not one sign of "I am tired" because she has a brood of worker bees to take care of the youngens (her older daughters do all the work).

Of course she doesn't look tired when the Duggar system is for the kids to take care of the kids, wheras a typical mother of two likely puts in more hands-on work than Michelle. Say what you will about their positive virutes, but there is a degree of exploitation of their children in their lifestyle. (I doubt one of the older girls has the CHOICE to say: "No mom, why don't you take care of your own babies today, I want to go study and pursue a career.")

Aqua 2 years ago

Omg! I can't beleive that she is pregnant again. Somebody should go get her "fixed" like how they do dog.

SATANS-GRANNY 2 years ago

2 Words: STEPFORD FAMILY

Becky 2 years ago

In light of global warming and depleating resources having 19 children in this day and age is a sin against the enviroment

Boston905 2 years ago

As I predicted in my post of five months ago, I knew another Duggar would be on the way soon. Those poor daughters will have another mouth to care for soon ~ not Michelle and certainly not Jim Bob. This is just beyond irresponsible. There is something seriously wrong with the mind-frame of these parents.

Amending the possible number of offspring born to this nut case family within five generations if they reproduce at the rate of their parents: 2,476,099 Duggars descended from Michelle & Jim Bob. That's alot of diapers, food, clothing, natural resources, fossil fuel, etc. Can't they adopt if they want such a large family? How egotistical is it that they have to continue breeding in this manner?

Amber Berglund 2 years ago

Back in the pioneer days, families needed to produce a lot of children to work the farm. Before the industrial revolution, a lot of this farm equipment wasn't in use. Also, there was a high rate of childhood mortality. Kids died back then. Take a look at Thomas Jefferson, as rich as he was, five or six of his "legitimate" children died, as did his wife. This Duggar family situation wouldn't have been possible without modern science. Someone, if not several of these children would have died. Michelle might have died and JimBob (or whatever his name is) would have remarried and those children would have different genes than the first batch of children with his first wife.

If this goes on for centuries in this town, there's going to be a lot of in-breeding, resulting in genetic disorders like hemophilia.

Why didn't the Duggars adopt at some point? If they wanted more children, couldn't they have saved a few from orphanages? There are abandoned children in the United States who need homes, even as I type this.

G 2 years ago

She's pregnant AGAIN from what I just saw on TV. Let me vomit. Good example for women... guess we are just here to have 90 kids if our husband wants it. That isn't even good for her body.

I feel bad for the oldest kids, they are forced to raise the other ones, take care of them all the time, and there's no way all the kids can all get attention from their parents. I'm sure the kids will need a lot of therapy down the road.

Like someone else said, if the parents really care, adopt kids instead. But nope they want money and attention. And there's no way they are paying for all of those kids each year, I bet they are getting government money.

Kat and Jase 2 years ago

hey everyone, I have'nt been on here for sometime, and when I thought just go see what is going on, I could'nt believe my ear's Michelle is having baby number 19, it was at that stage I just sat laughing, god I have been away for what seems a while must have been 6 months have passed since the last dugger was born, so yep baby number 19 is well on its way.

maybe if I was the medical doctor to Mrs Duggers I would be sitting down all the family and stating the truth to them, "look having as many pregancies as Mum is having can be dangerous to Michelle and to the unborn baby", maybe talking to the children rather than the parents maybe the way to go, as Michelle and Jimbob live in a non real world, and really dont care if a child is born with medical problems or worst both die as a result, because they both play the risk game each and every pregancy, I believe the Duggers should be praising the lord for all the children they do have that are born normal and healthy, and concentrate on that rather than continue to play russian rollette with lives, because not only are they risking their lives with having baby after baby, yet they are putting their other children in a position they may not have a mother due to her neglect, so I say sit the kids down give them the facts and I bet then pressure would be put on both parents to stop to call it a day, after all truth comes out of babies mouths, so let them talk to mum and dad.

Michele 2 years ago

I agree. She's like a plaindressed, plain looking Stepford wife. And the kids creep me out too. Seriously how much brainwashing is required to force the kids to buddy up and raise their younger siblings? Time and Time again. And yes if it's so normal to have all these kids why does she stwitch obgyns every few kids? Why cause they're probably being told enough already something will happen.

Torns 2 years ago

I think that it is incredibly risky for Mrs Duggar to be having another baby, not only because of her age but because there are great health risks for the unborn child too. I understand that they do not believe in contraception but they need to think of the implications this will leave on their other children and as for Jim Bob's wish to ban all forms contraception I have just one thing to say to you "try and stop me from acting responsible and taking care of myself so that my children have a loving MOTHER to look after them not an older sibbling". When the children start to leave home as most of the elder ones will inevitably do over the next few years who will be there to help her if she does become seriously ill or her health suffers as a result of this pregnancy. There are some that will say that if they have the means to support a family this big then let them continue to have children but my question to those people is When is enough enough? and are they really supporting themslves? NO they pay no taxes, that is wrong if they don't pay taxes then they shouldn't have the right to vote and have a sayon how the country is run. It is certainly too late when the Duggar children are lowering their mother into the ground as she has passed too early. Then there are those that say people who have a "negative" opinion of this latest pregnancy don't have faith in their lives or do not believe in god, my message to you is that it may be a gross misjudgement on your view as not everyone who believes in god lets god dictate to them how to live their lives, the first thing i learned in religious studies at school was NOT to believe everything you read in the bible, this came from a brother as I went to a cathloic school. Some of the people that have a so called negative view may actually be health care professionals and could just be showing a genuine concern for Mrs duggar, as it is obvious that others may not.

I am a health care professional I know the risks of falling pregnant so soon after a c section. This woman is psychotic her last baby was delivered via c section so it is obvious she has no idea of the risks or has such disregard to her own health that she just simply does not care. If you ask any doctor that about how long you should wait before falling pregnant again they will tell you 18 to 24 months before should try to conceive. She is a very Stupid Woman. I pity the poor children of this family they have no idea what the real world is like. I lived next to a family like this when I was going up a couple of the children turned out to be gay, 2 of their daughters had children out of wedlock and were disowned, their eldest ended up divorced twice and another refuses to speak to their parents. The Duggar children are so sheltered and it is really disturbing that they have no abitions outside of being like their parents.

Caitie 2 years ago

I think these people are all around nice people and as long as they can financially support their children and are not abusing them in any way it their business the way they live their life. They so seem like they are colsing their children off from educational opportunities. They tend to expose them to only creationism, and prevent their children from learning scientific theories thiat chellenge this theory.

Judy 2 years ago

And who raises these babies and infants, the older children become surrogate parents and each older child is responsible for caring for a younger child. How is that normal for a child growing up. Some day, these children will be in the news headlines going "Postal". They do not live in the real world.

torns 2 years ago

They do not live period the are autobots doing what their parents want them to do. It reminds me of the move Virgin Sucides, the kids in that movie were so sheltered and weren't allowed to do anything that ALL 5 children killed them selves just to escape. What these parents are doing is a form of child abuse just that noone recognises it as abuse the fundies see it as a "good wholesome christian family" raising their kids right. When will it stop if this family does not want to be critised then they shouldn't plaster their lives all over television. As for finacially supportinging themselves without government help that is easy to do when you DO NOT PAY TAXES

D-LO 2 years ago

Any normal person can see these people are very disturbed.

Katie 2 years ago

I think these parents are incredibly irresponsible for having so many children. Our world has limited resources and it is becoming more overpopulated at a scary rate. They need to think about future generations. Think about if each of their children then had 18 kids and then each of them have 18 children. How can they not see how socially irresponsible they are being? And those poor kids can't possible get the individual attention kids need from their parents. I came from a family where I was the oldest of 6. I love my parents, but I resent them for having so many children. I was forced to act like a mini mom when I was a child myself. I see my siblings fight for my parents limited attention and it makes me sad that parents put their own needs in front of their children's needs. God gave us birth control for a reason.

Robin 2 years ago

Why do we continue to praise this family and shine the spotlight on them? They keep having children and then they make the older children raise the new additions. The older children each have a sibling they are responsible for getting up, getting dressed, making sure teeth are brushed and hair is combed and so on. I thought that was a parent's responsibility! It sickens me to see how these children's childhoods are taken away because they have to raise the children their parents keep having. I will never watch this show. I watched the documentary many years ago and that was enough for me.

torns 2 years ago

And it gets better folks if this family wasn't sick enough lets make our Daughter in law give bbirth at Home and then broadcast it for the world to see. ENOUGH is Enough no more DUGGAR specials please. Lets just hope that Anna has a back bone and puts her foot down on the amount of children she wants.

Rachel Perkins 2 years ago

Okay, for whoever thinks that the Duggars are Mormon, they aren't. They are baptist according to their website. Mormons ARE christians and so are baptists. So pleaseee stop with the Mormon stereotypes! They are stupid, and untrue. Mormons believe in everything most normal Christians believe in. We are not cults and most of us don't even have large families. My family is made of 3 children and we believe that God is our Heavenly Father and Jesus is his son. If you would like to learn more about our religion so you can stop sounding ridiculous, visit http://www.mormon.org . Please stop being judgmental and learn to care about yourselves.

The Duggars have a lot of good beliefs but I think that they overly dramatize about them. That's my opinion! They can have as many children as they want... as long as their kids behave themselves! But just remember.... a lot of people from a long time ago have had like 21 children.

Mike 2 years ago

the duggars are bad parents they took them to this creation museum once in an episode and it showed how dinosaurs lived with man because the earth is only 6000 years old and the sharp teeth were used for chewing vegetables because there was no death ok if people still want to be religous in this day and age for some reason then thats fine but when you spoon feed this mis information to children it puts you in the boat of bad parents just because they are morons who think the earth is 6000 years old and that tyranasauros rex ate vegetables thats there own idiotic problem but when you teach this to your own children it becomes child abuse

torns 2 years ago

They are full of S*&t thats what they are. As I said before enough is enough when you subject your daughter in law to giving birth on tv for ratings then thats going to far. Josh should be a man and say no i don't want that broadcast. It is so hypocritical of this family, we are "modest" people we don't show alot of skin because we believe that is for your partner to see. But we will exploit our daughter in law and show her giving birth PLEASE someone rescue the children of this family so they don't have to be subjected to anymore abuse

imsikofu 2 years ago

i think this religion sounds like a great way to get back at muslims who are taking over the world-

Theresa 2 years ago

Who cares? They are happy. You are all subject to your own beliefs as they are too. EVERYONE is raised differently. You all should realize this by now. What you may find weird, others may find normal, or what they find normal you find weird.

melissa Smith 2 years ago

Oh I absolutely love this family!!! It is so sad to read some of these criticisms from people who don't understand where this family is coming from.They are a loving and very devoted to God.My hands are applauding for showing them on tv.I hope they will always show others like us viewers an example of being Jesus' followers.

Torns 2 years ago

hey melissa you need your head read sweetheart you supporting this family is exactly what is wrong with this society. Its people like you who probably lobby for an end to captial punishment and say we shouldn't smack our kids when they do something wrong. OPEN your eyes. If you breed a bunch of robots like the duggars have then you really aren't contributing productivly to society. But I guess like the duggars my taxes are probably paying for you too. Oh and by the way if you like the Duggars do not believe in evolution and eveything that it and modern science brings with it can you please explain WHY it is then that you take full advantage of the health care system?

Christine 2 years ago

The Duggar family are the epitomy of true Christian values- misunderstood by an increasingly bizarre world punctuated by foul language, ignominious "reality show" lifestyles, fuelled by materialistic self-serving greed.

How desperately sad that young women are compelled to sacrifice their virginity to adolescents who have not been taught to respect and revere the future mothers of mankind

Torns 2 years ago

Christine you are whats wrong with society, why don't you open your eyes to the real world. You say it is sad that adolescents sacrifice their virginity, we were all given brains and it is an individuals choice whether or not they wait to have sex not YOURS or the Churches. You say that they haven't been taught to respect and revere the "future" mothers of mankind, if the duggar girls are a picture of what the future of mankind are gong to be then this world is going to be in shambles as they will create duggarbots that are ignorant to everything but what the bible teaches and respect is something that is earned NOT taught. Can you please explain to me what creationism has to do with how thee world came about when there is clear scientific evidence that the world is in fact older then 6000 years old i.e. Dinosaur fossils are 65 million years old or older the first signs of humans were detected over over 6 million years ago. If they are the Epitomy of TRUE Christian values then christianity has deviated from the road it was on when i was at school, and if THEIR version of christianity is what is accepted today (which i think we both know it is not) then it is no wonder people are turning away from religion in droves. Once again I compell you Fundy right winged nuts to OPEN YOUR EYES and step back into reality.

Torns 2 years ago

Christine you are whats wrong with society, why don't you open your eyes to the real world. You say it is sad that adolescents sacrifice their virginity, we were all given brains and it is an individuals choice whether or not they wait to have sex not YOURS or the Churches. You say that they haven't been taught to respect and revere the "future" mothers of mankind, if the duggar girls are a picture of what the future of mankind are gong to be then this world is going to be in shambles as they will create duggarbots that are ignorant to everything but what the bible teaches and respect is something that is earned NOT taught. Can you please explain to me what creationism has to do with how thee world came about when there is clear scientific evidence that the world is in fact older then 6000 years old i.e. Dinosaur fossils are 65 million years old or older the first signs of humans were detected over over 6 million years ago. If they are the Epitomy of TRUE Christian values then christianity has deviated from the road it was on when i was at school, and if THEIR version of christianity is what is accepted today (which i think we both know it is not) then it is no wonder people are turning away from religion in droves. Once again I compell you Fundy right winged nuts to OPEN YOUR EYES and step back into reality.

Jessica 2 years ago

Wow, everyone here is extremely judgmental of this family. I think you all know how the saying goes about @ssholes and opinions. This family is interesting, that's for sure. To each his own. Like all of you, I have an opinion about them, but after reading all of your comments and relaizing how ridiculous you all sound, I'm just going to keep my opinion to myself. MYOB people. If you don't like them, don't watch their show. It's really that simple.

Meg 2 years ago

Can you idiots who are boasting about grandmas and grandpas with many siblings understand that people had LOTS of kids back then because child mortality was high?!

12 kids is okay... 19? Idk how good that is... let's just hope they're Green Friendly.

Also, I hope the sexy daughter, Jessa, breaks free from them... She's too pretty to be stuck there

Artemis 2 years ago

Wow. Someone needs to tell the Duggars that God is not real. It bet you any money that their excuse for "Yes, God's real" is that the bible says so. Well, that also means that Neverland is real, and so are magical faries and wizards and dragons because a book says they are, so it must be true. Also, dinosaurs were around 65 million years ago and if Adam and Eve were a caucasian christian couple, where did all the different races and religions come from? The only "proof" they have is a magic storybook and the Flintstones. What idiots.

Paul_in_AZ 2 years ago

WOW, I find some things amazing about this thread:

The level of hate and intolerance coming from people who preach tolerance is incredible. Why don't we just call them evil jews and gas them? (And those who will resort to Goodwin's law with regard to my analogy, thy can just tell Goodwin to take his law and shove it. The truth is that analogies between how the world sees Christians these days and how Jews were seen during the Nazis are becoming quite accurate.

Fortunately we know what the source of this hate is, so we're not surprised.

I do think that the Duggars are overdoing things in some areas, and although I'm somewhat of a fundamentalist at heart, I wouldn't go as far as them, I would still pick their family any day over some families with parents as hateful as the comments show here.

There is also obvious MISINFORMATION being spread here with malicious intent. I'm sure the Duggars are not perfect people, and they might even do a few things that are wrong, but that still does not excuse the hate and the false accusations being spread here. I grew up Pentecostal, and I doubt they're Pentecostal, I'm pretty sure they're not mormons either, they're most likely just very fundamentalist Baptists, the Bill Gothard type. And even if they are part of some cult, it's none of any of your freegin business. Sadly, the saying "We live in a free country" is not true anymore as there are hordes of rabbid moonbats out there who can't stand the thought of a simple family exercising their freedom of religion. These are the same people who go ballistic at the thought of laws being made against allowing women to murder their unborn children.

WOE to those who call that which is good, evil and that which is evil, good.

skippy 2 years ago

Nobody can imagine that a woman would want to stay at home and raise kids; therefore, she must be brainwashed, right? Society views children as burdens that prevent us from living "real" lives; therefore there's no way they can all be loved and cherished? It's sad that people see a happy family and think there's got to be something wrong with them. What happened to being open-minded ? Is different automatically bad? Or does tolerance no longer apply to religious people?

And to the people who say the Duggars are too insulated and don't know anything about the world... they take frequent trips and vacations, and spend time with other people in the community. They have family members who don't subscribe to their beliefs, but they still welcome and accept them.

skippy 2 years ago

Also, in a recent episode, one of the younger daughters said they could wear pants if they wanted to, they just choose not to. Why is it so hard to imagine kids who have religious beliefs? Not all kids are rebellious and hate their parents.

Willard 2 years ago

This is the CREEPIEST show ever shown! Did you see Josh Duggar in People Magazine! He was caressing his newborn's foot with the most disturbing face I have ever seen! An on the TLC website, there is an even creeper video of Anna's pregnancy, that lasted 3 min. to Amazing Grace! Enough said!

mike 2 years ago

We have no cable/Satelite etc. and found out about the Duggars in the news and ordered their DVD series. It is our families favorite show. It is nice to see families with similar convictions and beliefs as ours.

I only hope TV does not change them too much.

Alana Lee 2 years ago

The Duggars are trampling the ecology of Earth to death with their flock of carbon footprints. It is an insidious way to proliferate their religious ideology.

Helen! 2 years ago

Hello. I just wish to comment to those who have a problem with MIchelle and Jim Bob..Please Stop projecting your issues onto the Duggar Family

They are beautiful people who have a message of unconditional love. They can choose to bring in as many souls as they feel they can because children are a blessing, especially when the parents are so at synch with each other...and sorry if they are not materialistic and selfish like most parents! Bless your family and for standing up for your own truth!

me 2 years ago

I thought they lived in a free country, wouldn't that mean they can freely have as many children as they want? If you don't like them don't watch the show! It would be like me going into a christian church and attacking everyone in it because I don't believe in their God. If America isn't a free country as you American's are so fond of saying please stop saying it. Leave them alone to do what they want. Get on with your own life. I don't know whats so normal about screaming, hitting and being unpleasant to our children is. Just like I don't understand why being loving, kind, smiling and patient with your children is icky.

kirsty 2 years ago

michelle and jim bob are living thier life the way they feel god is telling them. this may not be how others feel god is telling them how they should. its a free country. baby number 19 is a blessing just like any baby, the older girls dont seemed to be forced to look after the young ones, but they seem to enjoy it. and josh is a new generation and if he wants to continue what he has been brought up doing that is his choice.

yoda7777 2 years ago

Here's something Michelle Duggar needs to know about. It's called a rubber! SHE NEEDS TO MAKE HER FREAKING HUSBAND WEAR ONE! The last thing we need is for our tax money to go to another Duggar because they keep procreating like third-world Africans! Learn some responsibility you welfare-grubbing Duggar freaks!

sarah 2 years ago

you guys need to look at the world,michelle and jimbob are great parents,what business is it of anyones how many kids they have,they take care of their kids,give them lots of love and they are well behaved and respectful to their parents,they dont watch tv and sit around playing video games all day,shoot most people cant handle one kid but look how their kids act in public,they must be doing something right,none of our money goes to support any of those kids,they got a right to live their life let them alone,god has a plan for them,im happy for them because it shows you what you can do if you have god in your life,they deserve some respect for the way they have raised their children,they like their life and thats all that matters,with almost 19 kids they are happy.

Charlye 2 years ago

These people are a gross example of continuing sexism and ignorance in America....

Amy 2 years ago

It is actually not natural for human beings to give birth this many times. The reason I say this is because before birth control, people used to have 5 or more children. The average being around 8. My mother-in-law had her tubes tied after her 5th child. My grandmother that was born in 1901 was the youngest of 9 and my grandfather was one of 11. The difference between present day and 70 or more years ago is that now we have great medical care, infant formula (I will explain the influence of formula) and we live much longer than we ever did before. In the past, women would not live long enough to have the opportunity to give birth 19 times. Women used to die during childbirth, babies would die before they reached their first birthday, children would die of common childhood illnesses which now we have immunizations for. Babies breastfed, a natural form of birth control as it suppresses ovulation. When mothers feed their babies formula, they start ovulating shortly after giving birth, thus this explains why some women who do not practice birth control have babies so close together in age. With our extended life expectancy, infant formula and quality of life improved, people can have the opportunity to be rabbits, but most of us choose not to.

valerina 2 years ago

I am the youngest of 9 children, my siblings don't know anything about me, they left home or we moved in three chunks, when I was 3, when I was 8 and when I was 12 so only a few of them know me at all and none of them was there once I was a teenager. I feel so sorry for the Duggar kids, they may think they are happy now but when they are adults and in the real world they are going to do a major double take and be unprepared!

MSSherri 2 years ago

You don't think the Duggars are freaks? Just read this quote from their website:

"Oh, God, he [Jim Bob] prayed in that doorway, from the depths of my heart, I ask that Michelle could be mine and that I could become her spiritual leader."

He prayed this prayer after SEEING Michelle ONCE. But to me, that's not the creepy part. The part that utterly gives me chills is the part where Jim Bob prays for her to "be mine and that I could become her spiritual leader." There's a control freak if EVER I've heard of one.

And to some of the earlier comments on "not understanding" the Pentecostal movement -- I'm from the South -- and even here they're considered freaks. It isn't the fact that they worship God or that they fall into the "Christian" category... it's the fact that they CONTROL their women with a fist of stone.

To me, this was all a brilliantly planned publicity stunt. What a better way to garner attention, support, controversy, and financial gain than to have an absurd amount of children and claim that "God" told them to do it. All Jim Bob had to do was find a woman stupid enough to become his freak-factory.

Bravo, Jim-Bob, you sly politician and douche-extraordinaire.

jamie 2 years ago

Overpopulation is a problem people have their heads in the sands about. While the Duggars are able to support themselves they are creating a future burden to the environment. Years ago when the life expectancy was low it was prudent to have many children... it was a numbers game for survivability. Today if every family had 10 or more children we would reach 10, 20, 50 billion people in no time. Where would we all fit? What would we all eat? Where would all of our waste and polution go?

god pledged to never interfere in our lives again. He isn't going to be sending mana anytime soon and I doubt he will send any polution scrubbing/waste eating angels either.

Truth 2 years ago

To Skippy (and all the Duggar breeder lovers on here)

The children repeat whatever their parents tell them to say like parrots. I saw the episode you are taking about. The little girl is probably only 8 years old. She also caught herself when she said she could wear what she wanted and then corrected herself looking around awkwardly. The parents were obviously standing near coaching her as to what to say. Anyone notice how they hardly ever interview the older girls? Why is that? I have a feeling it's because they are getting fed up with all the rules and control. I grew up in a super religious home. I was never allowed to go anywhere or date. All it taught me was to resent my parents and for a while I left my faith. Thank God for Cousin Amy. She is like a breath of fresh air. She laughs and plays. The kids seem to come alive when she is there. I pray that the older girls move out when they turn 18 and pursue their dreams (if they have any). Hopefully their dreams go beyond reproduction.

P.S. I'm still confused by their out of style clothes and hair. Does having frizzy permed long hair styles from the 90's make you more holy? Couldn't they at least get a cute little below the shoulder layered cut? SMH. Guess they get their style and dress tips from their mom who stopped caring how she looked when she began her baby making crusade. I think they should go on TLC's "What Not To Wear"

Tam 2 years ago

Just to put this out there, They are Mormons not Christians.

(Yeah,there is a big difference in that)

Tam 2 years ago

Just to put this out there, They are Mormons not Christians.

(Yeah,there is a big difference in that)

Pete 2 years ago

These fruitcakes are insane! No one should be allowed to have more than 3 or 4 kids ever!!! They are selfish, pathetic, religious maniacs and should be stopped! These 2 idiots are now responsible for adding countless numbers of people to this already severely overcrowded planet over the next few decades. Just because they smile does not mean it's OK for them to do this crap!!! I say it's sort of like an animal pissing all over it's territory to claim it or ruin for everyone else. I personally don't like the smell of their piss!!!

bob 2 years ago

Well, good for them. Mrs Duggard who almost died from being pregnant her whole life must love this lifestyle (aka: abused wife). and all you Duggard lovers, how will you feel when the 19th child dies? Huh?? Yes, any moron would realize that 19 kids is a tad to much for the family in a lot of ways, but you fans of procreation just keep supporting the Duggards "loving" lifestyle while you quietly stop thinking that this really isn't normal behavior. Does Cult living ring a bell? Pathetic....

STFU 2 years ago

I know how I'd feel if you'd shut up, bob.........

STFU 2 years ago

Oops! Sorry Bob! I skimmed through your comment cause I thought it was another "Doucher Lovers" one. Then I realized it wasn't and you have a brain.

GO BOB!

Give it a Rest 2 years ago

Open Letter to Michelle Duggar:

It's time for YOU, Michelle Duggar, to STOP having children, before you end up dying, or the baby does. Did you two know that the Bible approves of ABSTINENCE--you and your husband could do like they did in the OLD DAYS, and SLEEP APART, and concentrate on raising the kids that you have INSTEAD of making your other kids do it! I came from a large family, where we had to watch all the younger kids, and some day those kids will grow up and resent the HELL out of you for making them be nannies all of their lives! YOU brought those kids into the world and YOU should raise them, not the other kids! How can you tell your kids to just say "no", and practice abstinence, when YOU don't?

Also, NO ONE should have over THREE c-sectons, and so far, according to your history--you have had THREE now. That's enough. Stop where you are. Yes, I hope and pray that little girl lives, but YOU two need to stop bringing more children into the world.

And one last thing: You, Jim Bob, if you even CARE about your wife, you will keep it in your pants! Next time she could die!

Kash 2 years ago

These are not the people I want pushing their genetic line down humanity's throats for the next hundred years. All the responsible people without the profits from a television show who had a handful of children so they could be assured of giving those children the best that they possibly could can look forward to hundreds of Duggar-spawn competing with *their* grandchildren for whatever's left of the world's diminishing resources. Hundreds of people who aren't necessarily smart, don't necessarily work well with people outside their beliefs, but boy, are they good at breeding. Be thoughtful and *STOP MULTIPLYING*, you insufferable fanatics.

FREE THE DUGGAR GIRLS! 2 years ago

@Paulie

LMAO! Yeah right. These people will NEVER stop! They are obsessed. I bet even if they had miscarriage after miscarriage they would continue and say "that's God's will". *rolling my eyes* No, that's YOUR WILL! You know what's really funny, the defenders of the "Douchers" all spout the same crap the Douchers do. They can't explain why having 19 kids is a good idea without using the word "blessing" or the phrase "gift from God". They are parrots just like the kids.

bob 2 years ago

Would somebody please tell Mr. Duggard that polygamy is the safest way to spawn children so he doesn't kill his wife that he supposedly loves and the babies he is trying to procreate? Geeezzeee even a championship horse breeder knows you can only breed an animal so many times before you kill it. Get some education Duggars!

Lisa 2 years ago

I am a believer and this family deeply disturbs me and I am not alone in the church with my thoughts. There is no way to give the necessary time and attention to that many children-NONE. I think they are nothing short of being attemtion-whores who stand behind the veil of religion. The church is replete with disturbed, warped, socially inept folks...that's why you find them in the church-they need help and a social connection, a place to be loved and ministered to. TO breed like this without providing a home to the countless children in true need tells us much about their true christian beliefs. An overworked uterus in not a calling of God! They went past quiver-full a long time ago.

randy 2 years ago

I don't get why people are so amazed by this abnormal sexual behavior of the Duggars. They are from Arkansas after all.....we should be thankful that Mr. Duggars sister isn't pregnant too!

randy 2 years ago

I don't get why people are so amazed by this abnormal sexual behavior of the Duggars. They are from Arkansas after all.....we should be thankful that Mr. Duggars sister isn't pregnant too!

Jim 2 years ago

There needs to be a website called "Free The Duggar Girls"! It could be all about how to rescue then and free them from slavery!

DebateSarah 2 years ago

As a mother of 5, I enjoy watching the Duggars. It's inspirational and encouraging. I enjoy getting new ideas on organization and remaining calm. Eh, some are gonna hate them, I think they're just jealous ;)

http://www.debateandrelate.com

Michelle 2 years ago

Yes Debate, we are all so jealous of the duggars. We all wish we had tones of kids to pawn off on our older kids.

I agree with Jim, FREE THE DUGGAR GIRLS!

Gimme a Break 2 years ago

They dishonestly register their home as "a house of worship" to avoid paying property taxes as well as other taxes. They don't mind utilizing state & federal services without paying for them. This is no different than being on public aid, just a sneaky & deceptive way of conducting themselves. They also "home school" as if they are qualified to teach chidren - so not only do they deny their children normal interaction with others, but instill dishonesty in them as well.

DebateSarah 2 years ago

Gimme a Break - go back up to about 2 yrs ago and check out the post and link by Kranberrys - you can see the taxes they are paying :)

What does homeschooling have anything to do with it? I'm sorry, have you sat in on any of their classes personally and know this first hand? I somehow doubt it.

Jim Boob 2 years ago

When you Google I hate the Duggars it brings up this site :D Love it! Free the duggar kids!!!!

Note to the duggar girls:

ENOUGH WITH THE PERMS ALREADY! IT'S NOT 1991!!!!

Casey 2 years ago

They make me sick. These kids are all for publicity! They're freaks.

Haggi 2 years ago

Of course you people who are lost and are too arrogant and all knowing to accept Christ as your personal Saviour. Unless you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have turned to Him for your salvation....there is no way you can understand the Duggars and their convictions. Their convictions are between them and God. Although I don't agree with the home church thing.Because the Bible teaches not to forsake the assembling of yourselves together (meaning the church) I do think they are a family that truly loves the Lord. And what's wrong with the older kids helping out? This world is filled with such lazy, ungrateful brats these days. We were always taught to help out too. But I guess it's wrong to make kids do some work. They're just there to sit on the phone and computer right???

They seem happy to me. They do a lot with their kids. Ever think that those of you who scream and yell all the time are the one's with the problem? I'm sure they have their moments but they are trying their best to raise their children how the Bible teaches. Those of you who are so hateful towards them...I suggest you stop worrying so much about them. And start worrying where you are gonna spend eternity. Turn to Jesus Christ and trust only Him to be your Saviour. Ask Him with a repentant heart to come into your heart and life and forgive you of your sins and save you from an eternity in Hell. Jesus will save you if you sincerely ask Him too! The Bible says in Rom.6:23" For the wages of sin is death:but the git of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Jemima (the miscarriage baby) 2 years ago

Hag,

You believe every thing you see on reality shows? How Sad. I'll be praying for you.

Jim Bob 2 years ago

(1 Pet 1:13) So think clearly and exercise self-control. Look forward to the special blessings that will come to you at the return of Jesus Christ.

Friends,

after careful reading of the scriptures I have come across a verse that I have been carefully considering for some time now. I have realized that the blessings I receive will not be because of how many children I have but at the return of Jesus Christ himself. So Michelle and I have decided that this new baby will be our last. It is not is Michelle's best interest to continue with more pregnancies either. This last one was quite a wake up call for both of us.

Thank you for your prayers and God bless!

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar

Steven 2 years ago

Glad you have seen the light Jim bob. You really need to start helping your kids out around the house. Clean your own room and watch your own kids instead of having the camera man and your girls do it.

Debbra 2 years ago

I am concerned with the Duggars declaring their home a church. That does mean they pay no property taxes, and even if they buy furniture, they can use their deferred tax ID # and not have to pay taxes. I am wondering if this also applies to trips to the grocery store, I am sure it does.They have to be on some kind of government assistance program for health insurance. I remember when Joy Anna was telling the camera man once when she covered the tv picture with her hand, and he asked her why, and her grandmother said she was covering immodest dress, and then they asked Joy Anna what that meant, and she said it was "defrauding to women", and then she was asked what that meant, and she had a confused look on her face and said,"I don't know.", If these children are doing what they are told, and cannot give a reasonable answer to questions, IMHO, it is conditioning that cults use.

Haggi 2 years ago

No I don't believe everything I see on reality shows. I even said I'm sure they have their moments everyone does. But you finally get one decent show on TV with a family that is saved.

Then all the people who can't deal their own problems rips it apart. I think you all need to face reality yourselves and work on your own lives...

FREE THE DUGGAR GIRLS! 2 years ago

I agree Debbra. They are very cult like.

religion is a disease 2 years ago

can anyone say pedophilia?

heather 2 years ago

i do not find their family creepy, or weird in anyway, apart from how they dress, but that is because they want to stay modest, the are just the average christian family, even though they have 18 children. but you gotta respect their ways..

Enough lies 2 years ago

One word for this show and the family. FAKE.

Jim B "claims " they just go about their daily lives and the cameras just follow what they normally do. Really? Well them, Jim, why did your children say on camrea that they never used to travel before they were on tv?

Why did you say your little girl wanted to go rock climbing for her b-day when it was obvious that she didn't know how or even really enjoy it?

Why tell us that your son wants to go bowling when he has never been and doesn't even know what it is? Where would he even get the idea from?

Why do you force your girls to wear skirts yet when they go horse back ridding or rock climbing or other active things, they have to hike their skirts up exposing their legs? Plus the fact that the skirts cling to their behinds showing them off more, where as a pair of lose fitting slacks would be more modest. Not to mention the double standard of the boys being allowed to wear pants is absurd. Ever heard of a package? Some women find men's butts sexy too, you know? Just like a lot of men find skirts sexy (no matter the length). To them it's "easy access".

Back to the "whys"....

Why did you take your family to an Ethiopian restaurant when you don't eat that type of food and there is music and dancing there? You say you want to expose your kids to other cultures and yet your kids were very rude and disrespectful. They were holding their noses and giving each other smug looks and rolling their eyes. There were Ethiopian dancers but yet you don't let your kids dance. Then why would you want them to watch others dance? So they can look on smugly thinking "dancing is evil, I will never do that. Those people don't realize what they are doing is wrong." Nice, very nice. Why not let them watch movies too then?

I could go on and on.

Some of you may be saying "WHY watch them then?"

It's like a car wreck. You can't help but look.

Plus, I'm waiting for one of the girls to say "I'm moving out and going to college and I'm not getting married or having kids for a LONG TIME!" :) *fingers crossed*

Priscilla 2 years ago

I love the Duggars!! I have never seen anything un Godly on their show. The are a good and wholesome family. My Great-Grandma would always say " If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". There is nobody on this earth that is perfect. The only perfect person that was on this earth was Jesus Christ and he lived 33 years, and the only reason He died was for me and you.

duggarsRcoocoo 2 years ago

THEY ARE A CULT!!! seriously... something is not right... USE A CONDOM ALREADY!!! the 19th that was just born is premature! they are lucky she isn't dead! they need to seriously consider wearing a condom! OR their horniness needs to be controlled!

Jane 2 years ago

Recently I found a very funny forum on Amazon. The subject was something like "Which Food Network star would you like to slap?" LOTS of responses-most people wanted to slap Rachel Ray. Which Duggar bothers you the most? And why?

Jemima (the miscarriage baby) 2 years ago

Josh.

He is one of those people who never shuts up and act like they know it all.

And one of the little ones ( not sure of his name and they all look alike). The one that looks in the camrea and makes weird faces and tries to talk like hes an adult. Very annoying.

Me Puzzled 2 years ago

What type of a rat family is over breeding here? Well, hey God made us human I suppose and gave us a "brain" to know well enough that maybe in the beginning then humans should populate all they wanted. And that is even possible that with just Adam and Eve then brothers and sisters, well, let me stop here...did they have incist or something along the line? Anyhow...whatever is in the Bible does NOT mean that this Duggar Family has to follow THAT what was said in the Bible in reference to the newly forming very first families. If they CARED to help this world at THIS ERA, well, how on earth CAN THEY?, they home school so they never know that it's already overly populated in areas!! Oops me BAD, ok -they know and they might even know BETTER then us about how to be a complete Holier than THOU and use the scriptures to mostly Mr Duggar's advantage. At least he gets sex that many times as it takes to conceive another child!! And hey, more helping hands around the house! NO TV's allowed at their house, well at least is what I read somewhere but don't watch this cult thingie, must agree--- that is a cheap way to live, more chores done that way too! And YES, ain't it BAD to have TV's around? if none at all like at THEIR HOUSE then how on earth can this type of reality show pay THEM??? Did Mr Duggar ever explain such hypocrisy...oh I forgot AGAIN, he is SMARTER THAN US --all that don't boycott his crazy cult show....he don't CARE what others will be put up against as long as HE benifits. That is a good religion to be at, me me me type...some god told him that way. You know that even some psychopaths blame some god on what horrible things they done so this ain't so bad at all is it? Yes, we can translate the Bible to our own likings if we wish to be such type. If All of us were smart enough to have our huge house as a CHURCH then no one would pay taxes as THEY get to do. How do we do things without tax money?...as if we should EVER care?...we have to get into Mr Duggar's mind of the narcissitic ways to know all this without any guilt and keep our little cults growing bigger and bigger! Mrs Duggar...ah, at least she gets a lot of attention, this reality show that takes em places, nice big house with loads of little servants--oops, they are called children with responsibilities. Ha, ok, that is one convenient family....what you all beefing about? Get together like they know how to and do something to get such bad TV off the air if you hate watchin them!!! There is something WE CAN LEARN off them!

Dg 2 years ago

They are weird, in this materialistic selfish world. More power to them. There are families with only one child who don't properly feed, clothe or look after it. If you want a freak show---follow the Gosselins. By the way, it would be really nice if the person who titled this "wonderful" article could spell. What exactly is a "Creepist" anyway?

aer 2 years ago

What questions would you ask the Duggar parents ?

Here's a few:-

1) - why don't they let the children mix freely with others outside the family ?

2) - what qualifications does Michelle have to provide a good all round education for the children ?

3) - what are the older children now doing - some seem past school age ?

4) - why do the older children have so much responsibility for the younger ones - its not their job to raise their siblings

5) - in such a large house - why not smaller rooms for just a couple of children in each - where is the privacy

6) what out of school hours activities do the children take part in away from their parents?

Judy 2 years ago

There are a number of problems with this family. The most obvious one is their role in contributing to the over-population of the planet. The earth is breaking under the burden of too many people and especially under the burden of too many people using too many non-renewable resources. Americans are the biggest consumers and wasters on the planet. The Duggars are the epitome of the wasteful American lifestyle multiplied many-fold, which their gas-guzzling buses, their love of processed junk food (which will add to another burden later on when it leads to the inevitable health problems), their need for a large house, four washers, four dryers, industrial kitchen appliances, etc.

Michelle Duggar 2 years ago

My new years resolution is to stop having kids because I can't even take care of the ones I have now.

Michelle Duggar 2 years ago

My new years resolution is to stop having kids because I can't even take care of the ones I have now.

Anon 2 years ago

You trying to be funny with saying you are Michelle Duggar?-- and of all things!!--saying that she would STOP having kids...LOL, that would be excellent that finally she would come to SUCH a lovely conclusion. There is just too much self centered absorption in these type of people that over breed like animals and blame God on such. It WAS the plan maybe of God to say to multiply and overtake the earth. Good heavens our plant has been overtaken by humans ages ago and it's time to let other families have room for a few kids. And I hardly think that Mrs there has much though of HER OWN really, it's the Mr that is crafty at manipulating this to the extent that it's also using viewers of TV to be PAYING his dang lazy ass's wages to have a big house and etc. If he had to do some hard labour to keep all that brood feed, clothe and sheltered then he might think twice before thinking that God is to blame for not knowing how to STOP multiplying. God gave him a brain and he is just using it in a lazy selfish way instead of a helpful caring way in many respects!

torns 2 years ago

they are a joke. It is just like a train wreck unfortunately it won't stop being shoved down our throats until SOMEONE (michelle) dies. "JIM-BOB" if it is really him saying they have agreed to stop having children i find that hard to believe unless they plan on sleeping in separate beds AND wear CHASTITY belts and throw away the keys. I think they need to stop josh having anymore kids there is something Really CREEPY about him it unnerves me.

FREE THE DUGGAR GIRLS AND RE-EDUCATE ALL THE CHILDREN

Michelle Duggar 2 years ago

I want to thank everyone for helping me see what was right there in front of me... A lot of children who need ME to take care of them. Jim and I wish you all the best and thanks for the prayers for baby Josie, our last and final child. We realized we are already blessed whether we have two children or none because, we have each other.

Love and prayers, Michelle and Jim Bob.

Justme 2 years ago

They don't use birth control because they actually think it causes miscarriages.

I feel sorry for the older girls who have to bring their younger siblings up. Someone said in one episode that the oldest daughter Janna had the oppertunity to go to ElSalvador but she didn't go because Michelle needed her help.

Justme 2 years ago

I just read the post above me of Michelle and now I feel a little bit bad.

There are things I like about the family. A lot of love seems to be between them.

I wish you all the best. God bless you.

torns 2 years ago

Justme do you really think that it is michelle duggar writing on here?

Me Puzzled 2 years ago

Justme, why be feeling bad in any way? Think about it all, and also re-read some posts that were done about 4 months ago. This family has been what some put it in clear words "resource hogs". They did NOT think one bit about what their thoughts and feelings and over multiplying does to the rest of the humans here on earth. OK, so now you are seeing a lot of LOVE between them...is that ALL that matters to you to totally embrace them? Most self centered people love themselves and maybe just what they have as a reflection of self but what really matters is that people should love others in this world enough to think what their actions do to THEM ALL too. If this couple would have LOVED one another enough and cared to be helpful to the REST of the world then maybe they should have adopted a few kids that do not have a home and family, maybe donate some time and money to HELP OTHER children on this earth, etc. To torns: if this WAS Michelle then it would be one huge step in the right direction to STOP this nonsense of blaming God of them not using their (God Given) brain in putting a LIMIT on selfishness!

Jane 2 years ago

Go to Google (don't use another search engine) and google "Josh Duggar". Before you finish typing look at the first suggestion that comes up.

Deb 2 years ago

Have the Duggars ever read any other verses in the bible than "Be fruitful and multiply." Hey, what about polygamy, which was practiced by many of the OT men? How about stoning your children if they are disobedient? They pick the scriptures they like and reject the rest. What a bunch of phohey baloney hypocrites they are. I can see one of the kids going crazy and possibly harming these poor excuses for parents.

May 2 years ago

Deb, I fully agree with you, the Duggars ignore the rest of the Bible. Some that abuse religion just do so with using small grasps of the Bible which was meant for other eras as a cane to lean on and to get gulible religious people to adore them while they (the Duggars) gloat of being the greed of our modern already over populated society. I also agree that they are just plain resource hogs! Media seekers (of course Jane, good one, so Josh D now is having a website of followers of his own, tsk tsk), hand out hounds, top the numbers winners, sympathy getters, etc. Do they read through what other opinions are that are different from theirs and weight out the true conditions of OUR ERA? I think they just do what all cults do...only absorb themselves into their own ways and all other things to them are totally invalid. I think in our world there are more deserving people to be televised then them! Wise people should boycott such programs that bring out awe about such a CULT that are just as bad as polygamy!!!

Deb 2 years ago

I have never watched a whole Duggar program, I've only seen snippets of it. If they were Amish I wouldn't care. But they are using electricity, water, gas, unrenewable resources just as much as the rest of us. Only trouble is, there's 10 times Duggars compared to normal families. Also, if they are such good christians and depend on God for family planning, why don't they depend on God to deliver their babies instead of doctors and nurses? They have one foot in the 21st century and one foot in 19th century. I hope their kids can see through the phoniness of their parents as I certainly can. I met a woman in the church I used to go to who was like Mrs. Duggar. The Dr. told her not to get pregnet for 3-4 years because she had a hard pregnacy but she wouldn't listen and had her 6th baby the next year. She made me sick too. She only listens to Drs. when they tell her what she wants to hear.

torns 2 years ago

to me puzzled i was being sarcastic when i asked that question i no its not as they are too self absorbed to write on forums such as this they don't want to hear what others think of them if it is negative they are only interested in what the religious fanatic that support them think

Jane 2 years ago

The comment I posted about googling "Josh Duggar" was not to point out that he has his own website, but that the first Google suggestion that pops up is "Josh Duggar molestation". Seems something may have happened years ago...maybe it's not true but something caused Oprah to "un-invite" the Duggars at the last minute.

May 2 years ago

Jane, I did see that "molestation" crop up many times over on the net prior to recent days but the main one now that comes up on Google search is that Josh now has a website of his own...with good advice. LOL! --he is so well educated in the worldly troubles. Anyways, yeah, that can be a rumor about molestation but also can be true and no one will ever find out for sure. Oprah is wise enough to be cautious. It's a hush hush thing in a cult environment till maybe one of the girls will learn there is the modern freedom of better morals and will break away just like some do from a the polygamist compounds.

Deb 2 years ago

Well, if there was molestation in that family it certainly wouldn't surprise me. I mean, can you imagine trying to talk to JimBob and Michelle about sex? Wet dreams, orgasms, rape, menstrual periods, homosexuality, penis, vagina are words probably never heard in that household.See how Ted Haggard talked so much against gays and was banging his own gay hooker with church money! You see, the church people have to put on a front because they have too much to lose if they are found out for the phonys they are. If one of the Duggar kids decides to expose the family dynamics as dysfuncitional I won't be the least bit surprised.It will be a sad book to read, I'm sure. Two of the God Hates Fag boys left the family and wrote about the horrific abuse that took place in that god awful home. Well, if you read the Bible you see it's good to beat kids who don't obey and there are places in the Bible that advocate stoning a child who is sassy or disobedient to a parent. Of course the Duggars would say they wouldn't stone their child, yet they go by the "be fruitful and multiply." As I said, they pick and choose the bible verses they want to follow. There are all kinds of families out there who would make better role models than the Duggars. Time for TLC to find them.

Free the Duggars 2 years ago

On one episode Michelle and Jim Bob went to NY to be on The View (a show they don't even watch) and the kids wanted to see their parents on tv (no idea why. they don't even watch tv). Well the little girl (joy something) was covering up the tv with her hand and they asked her why she was doing that her grandma said she was "covering up the immodest dressed because she has been TRAINED to do that for the little boys". Now when I say little I mean little.

THEN they (the camera men) pulled the little girl aside and asked her WHY she did that and she said "because it was defrauding"... and then another little boy repeats the same word.. DEFRAUDING.... THEN they ask the girl what does that mean? She has NO CLUE!

BUT IT GETS WORSE! They have a "code word" for when the little boys are out in public and there is an "immodestly" dressed woman. One of the kids says NIKE and ALL the boys have to stare at the GROUND!!

Absolutely RIDICULOUS!

If this link doesn't work just go to YouTube and search- Duggars Room with a view part 2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_2LsPCbU1s

Free the Duggars 2 years ago

PS. That part is at the VERY end of the video and continues into part 3.

Deb 2 years ago

I just received this in my email. I wonder how many the Gold Duggars adhere to?

The Bible is the infallible word of our Lord. If you are a TRUE Christian, you follow these these commands:

Who You Should Kill

--Unruly or rebellious child. Deut 21:20-21

--Those who curse or hit their parents. Lev 20:9, Ex 21:15

--Worshipers of other gods. Deut 13:6-11

--Psychics, witches. Lev 20:27, Deut 13:6-11, Ex 22:18.

--Those who do not believe in Jesus (parable). Luke 19:27.

--Those who work on the Sabbath. Ex 35:2 (Moses kills a gentile for this. Num 15:32-36.)

--Those who are accused by at least two people of wickedness. Deut 17:6.

--The children and babies of enemies. Num 31:17, Deut 20:13, Psalm 137:9, Lev 26:29.

--Adulterers. Lev 20:10.

--Homosexuals. Lev 20:13.

--A woman who is not a virgin when married. Deut 22:13-21.

--Those who are careless with murderous livestock. Exodus 21:29.

Who You Should Hate

--Those who eat crab or shrimp. Lev 11:10.

--Those who sacrifice an animal to God that has a blemish. Deut 17:1.

--Those who remarry the same person after divorce. Deut 24:4.

--Homosexuals. Lev 18:22.

--Those who are proud. Prov 16:5.

--A woman who wears pants. Deut 22:5.

--A man with long hair (Jesus?). 1Cor 11:14

--Those who call others fools Mat 5:22

Should we still do this stuff?

--All OT laws still apply in NT. Matt 5:17-19

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You don't dare to try and FILTER and pick and choose from the word of God right? You don't pull that nambie-pampy "out of context" silliness with passages you don't like, but then wholeheartedly accept those you DO like? That is SIN!

So either you are a TRUE Christian, and you'll follow those loving commands from God. Or you are doomed to be tortured in hell forever! Oh Glory!

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DUGGAR LOVER 2 years ago

You people saying all this horrible stuff about this family is just plain sick! Get a life, would ya! You can think what you want, but keep it to yourself. You'll be lucky enough to have a good life like they are living right now. Remember this, you only live once so why judge or hate? Someday you'll look at yourself and be like, "Wow, I wasted a second of my life telling people how much I hate this family." You people are really really stupid. And do a favor for all the people who are living their lives to it's fullest and fighting in Iraq so you can do that, and GET A LIFE and LIVE IT!

Steve 2 years ago

Quote: "Rachel Perkins says:

Mormons ARE christians and so are baptists. So pleaseee stop with the Mormon stereotypes! They are stupid, and untrue. Mormons believe in everything most normal Christians believe in."

Rachel...Mormons are NOT Christians...they believe FAR too many things that are non-Christian to ever be called Christian.

As far as the family following Bill Gothard...well it does seem that some of his teachings are "odd", and yes there is some basis in scripture for her NOT having as many kids... but hey...it works for them so I am not going to judge them on it. But If I were them I would not 20 kids as there is a down-side to having so many, not least because you cannot love them all as they need (ie: 1 to 1 basis not just a shared love).

Deb 2 years ago

When the Duggars went public they also should have known they would be subject to ridicule for their atrocious breeding habits. You, Duggar Lover say,"You can think what you want, but keep it to yourself." Yet you don't keep your opinions to yourself, especially since this blog was started by a man who doesn't care for the Duggars. People who disagree with the Duggars have quoted from their website, TV footage of the children and Ma and Pa Duggar themselves. These Duggars dig their own graves everytime they open their stupid mouths to reveal how ignorant they really are. They think the Flintstones is a documentary. These people are ruining our planet with their selfishness. They use just as much electricity, water, nonrenewable metals, gas, food, etc. as anyone else does. Maybe they get their clothes 2nd hand, but most everything else is new. They say they base their lives on JOY--Jesus, Ourselves and Yourself. Yet, when it comes to breeding when did Ma and Pa Duggar ask the girls if they wanted to take care of another baby? After all, Ma Duggar only takes care of them until she weans them from the breast. Then an older girl gets the "pleasure" of raising another Duggar because Ma Duggar is busy with a new baby or she's PG with another one. I wonder what Ma would do if all the older children left one day and left Ma alone to really raise those kids herself. I bet he'd get her tubes tied in a hurry.

FREE THE DUGGAR GIRLS! 2 years ago

@ Deb,

Yet, when it comes to breeding when did Ma and Pa Duggar ask the girls if they wanted to take care of another baby? "After all, Ma Duggar only takes care of them until she weans them from the breast. Then an older girl gets the "pleasure" of raising another Duggar because Ma Duggar is busy with a new baby or she's PG with another one. I wonder what Ma would do if all the older children left one day and left Ma alone to really raise those kids herself. I bet he'd get her tubes tied in a hurry."

EXACTLY! AS for what she would do if they left, well, that was already an episode. The older girls went to FL to help with their brothers wedding and Ma and Pa were freaking out! They had to call the grandma (Jim Boob's mommy)and Cousin Amy (the only normal one) over to help them take care of all their kids. They couldn't even do it for ONE DAY on their own!!! Even the brother Josh kept saying "we have to get this wedding stuff done fast so the girls can get home to help Mom" That was probably the best couple of days those girls EVER HAD!

And to Duggar Lover. Find some Duggar lover site where you can worship these breeders with your doucher lover pals.

DDbabyP 2 years ago

Peak Oil. Nice Huge Trailor they have on TV. They must pay at least a couple hundred dollars on filling that thing alone. Must be great to be rich enough to afford something like that as a regular vehicle of transportation. Plus all the TVs and cell phones they are playing around with in it. Yes, I've seen a couple of episodes not by choice (I just forget to change the channel sometimes). Those poor kids. I remember when they were going to that fancy wedding gown play in NYC to get her a dress for her "renewal" wedding thing. Those kids looked miserable while their mom was putting on some seriously ugly wedding dresses. She would have looked better in a white sack. Maybe would have saved some money doing it. I guess when you're rich(without having to work for it), you can spend your money on anything you want. Are they creepy? Who cares. I wouldn't spend my time watching anything about them. There are too many reality shows out there anyway. Octomom is getting her own show as well. I don't find torturing your kids with boredom and conformity amusing at all. No no... Yawn. I just had to change the channel again when I saw that they were on. You don't have to be religious to be good people. Simple as that.

Mark 2 years ago

I feel so sorry for those kids. This is a cult... there is no other way to put it. The sheltering, the brainwashing, the whole thing is controlled and very dangerous. How are these kids going to integrate into society? I was once part of a very conservative Christian organization as well, but I have since seen the "light" which I refer to as reality. I was shunned by my entire family for leaving the organization, which I believe is in the sole business of controlling what people do (don't spend too much, the money goes to the church), what they watch (don't let them explore science and reality), who they interact with (keep the EVIL out!!), and what they believe (the foundation... if this goes away the church is at risk of losing generations of funding).

I just watched part of the TLC program on this idiotic family, and I had to turn it off 50% of the way in. They were visiting a "Creation Museum" and were making comments on how Evolution is not scientific and that the Bible and the Creation Theory were the "obvious" reason for our existence. It's so easy for someone to explain our universe and all that is in by saying "God made it all in his infinite wisdom", rather than to try to understand and explain things scientifically which we HAVE been doing for many years now.

Shame on TLC for airing this nonsense, and shame on the Duggar family for being so mindless. Wake up and smell the coffee Jim-Bob...

donna 2 years ago

I guess the general population would rather have their own children manipulated by the media, robots and slaves to their iPod's, computer games & texting. Good thing Michelle and Jim Bob don't get the opportunity to look at each and every one of our families & dissect our parenting skills. They'd probably be too nice to do that anyway.

Mealinie 2 years ago

donna,

So you raised you children the same way as the Duggars?

Deb 2 years ago

Good thing Michelle and Jim Bob don't get the opportunity to look at each and every one of our families & dissect our parenting skills. Hey, I don't get paid for anyone to dissect my parenting skills. Ma and Pa came under public scrutiny when they made the decision to pimp, yes, I said pimp, their children out for money. My husband and I had to work to support our 2 children. Our privacy is more important to us than money, which is not true with Ma and Pa Duggar. BTW, how do you know Ma and Pa are nice? You see an hour show, not a 24 hour 7 day show. They can show the very best of this family they want to since it's only an hour and edited. I'd really like to watch a show entitled "The Duggars on Hidden Camera." I wonder how much cussing, lying, yelling, door slamming, anger we would see if that happened. Maybe we'd see the Duggar girls/boys sneak out at night to find out what's happening in the world they are sheltered from.

Deb 2 years ago

FREE THE DUGGAR GIRLS! says:

EXACTLY! AS for what she would do if they left, well, that was already an episode. The older girls went to FL to help with their brothers wedding and Ma and Pa were freaking out! They had to call the grandma (Jim Boob's mommy)and Cousin Amy (the only normal one) over to help them take care of all their kids. They couldn't even do it for ONE DAY on their own!!! I'll be looking for that episode, even though I've never watched a full program... I can't stand them for more than a few minutes at a time. But, I might watch this one if it ever comes on again.

liz 2 years ago

I still want to know what religion they are. The hairdos and attire is very confusing. Yet Michelle was a cheerleader and she seemed normal then. Who is the weirdo, Jim Bob? I believe he was an only child. Im confused by their whole constant all smile, happy happy life. There is something underlying here we are not seeing.

Kathleensandra 2 years ago

The Duggers are just plain weird.

torns 2 years ago

I've said it before i'll say it again something needs to change with this family if it isn't bad enough that baby 19 is still in hospital and lucky to be alive thanks to her irresponsible idiotic parent now we have another duggar deciding to breed Josh who may or may not be a sexual preditor (jury is still out with this one). This whole family is going to be hit by great tragedy soon if it is not by the death of ma duggar because she has decided to go for number 20 it may be the girls taking the virgin sucides way out. Free the children before its too late and sterilize their parents.

Home Schooling Mom 2 years ago

I claim myself a "Christian" but I also falter and fail like most do. I'm also a parent of four children all of whom I CHOOSE to home school. I think some people really don't understand how much time, love, and effort goes into home schooling a child. I have no idea how she manages to school all of her children. Obviously by the time most of the older children are done with school, the younger ones are just getting started. So she can't really have more than 10 kids schooling at a time. Still I have no idea how she teaches more than two at a time with as many kids she has to pay attention to.

I would have to agree with the fact that they SEEM to not have much affection towards the older children, but as one person debater earlier, how are we to know this since we only see an hour of they're lives a week at a time.

When it comes to the Dugger's "financial" information that some people are spouting off so freely. Where is the proof. I have yet to see one piece of evidence that backs up what most people are bashing. It's all just a bunch of He said She said nonsense!

As for the "slavery" that appears to be going on in the home, I don't understand how people make such a mountain out of a molehill. The people that are complaining of "slavery" obviously were not raised by parents of and older and wiser generation. I was raised by my Grandparents and if you think those kids are enslaved then you should have been a guest in my home when I was a child. I did far more in one day than those kids ever do in a whole season worth of episodes. You know what? I'm incredibly grateful for every last bit of hard work my Grandparents ever forced me to do. It made me into a strong independent women in my single adult years. It also made me a stronger wife and mother,in my married years,than I could have ever hoped for.

I'll tell you what. That family has more guts, honor, and faith than most people I know. They practice their beliefs under our watchful and judgmental eyes and I have yet to see them come as close to failure as most "Christians" out there including myself. The Dugger family is the most Christian family I have yet to see, despite our difference beliefs, especially for a family on national television for how many years and counting.

Who's right is it to tell me if I should have stopped at four or had ten more. NO ONE has that right! That's why we live in AMERICA people! Every child weather born into a good or bad home is the one that decides what kind of an adult they turn into.

As for the people that dislike the show. Don't watch it! There are MANY shows that I dislike on a daily basis. I CHOOSE to not watch them! Instead of bashing people you think you know all about, simply because of the hour a week glimpse into they're lives, don't watch them!

Deb 2 years ago

Homeschooling Mom said: As for the "slavery" that appears to be going on in the home, I don't understand how people make such a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe it would be a mountain if you were a pre teen and teen age girl forced to bathe, clothe, read to, take care of, feed your younger siblings. There's nothing wrong with all the children helping with work around the house, but, the rearing of the children should be on the parents shoulders. The fact Ma can't do it is more proof she has too many kids to manage.

BTW, Home school Mom, this blog was started by a man who dislikes the Duggars. So, you should be the one who goes elseswhere if you love the Duggars so much. Also, I don't watch the Duggars for more than a few minutes. They are very easy to figure out, just like a bad soap opera is easy to know the plot line if you only watch a few minutes of the show.

I think that Ma and Pa Duggar are egotistical, selfish, greedy, materialistic, manipulative, cruel people. They only have more kids to stay on TV and get those checks from TLC. How long do you think this "christian" family would be on the air if they weren't getting paid for it? Even their web page is filled with courses and books you can buy from them.

donna 2 years ago

No I didn't raise my children that way. I could not afford to stay home with my children, unfortunately. I also have been a single working mom (no welfare) to three boys on my own for a time. If you all really hate them that much, why on earth would you watch the show? You all sound so bitter, jealous and resentful. I am sorry that all your lives are so hard, but if the Duggars bother you so much, turn them off & go watch Desperate Housewives instead.

Praying for the Duggar Children 2 years ago

@Home Schooling Mom

"I have no idea how she manages to school all of her children."

She doesn't. Haven't you watched the show? The girls do it.

I was home schooled 9-12 grade and I hated every minuet of it. All I wanted was to be in a real classroom with a teacher so I could ask for help. It is also terribly lonely. I wanted to be around other kids my age. Now I have nothing to look back on. No prom. No friends. No memories of any kind. It's sad. I was also raised in a very strict Christian home. I couldn't watch movies or listen to ANY music except hymns. I could never go anywhere. The list goes on and on. Needless to say it made me rebel and when I moved out I left my religion for many years. When you hold the reins too tight on your kids it pushes them the opposite direction. I saw this happen to many many of the kids in my church who had similar home lifes as mine. Not to say that you let them do whatever they want but there is a balance and a middle ground. The Duggars should try that instead of going to the extreme.

Anyway......

During this time I was also responsible for raising my niece's since their parents (my siblings)were constantly working. It was terrible and now that I am a grown woman it has completely turned me off to ever wanting children. I feel like I've already raised my kids and am done with that part of life. I'm sure at least one (if not all) of the Duggar girls will feel that way as well.

I hope they will set goals for their selves, go out on their own and realize that not every woman has to sit at their parents homes until some guy wants to marry them and then have as many kids as they can.

Jane 2 years ago

Someone said (I believe it was another forum?) that watching the Duggars is like watching a train wreck. You can't help but look. Like most people here I have seen enough to make observations. Michelle is addicted to the attention she gets from having children. Did anyone else notice the looks on the older childrens' faces when number 19 was announced?

As for all their modesty- Anna had a film crew in the room when she gave birth. That was totally immodest and tasteless.

I don't hate the Duggars, but believe it is time for them to live their beliefs in private. TLC, how about a show featuring a mature couple with a houseful of kids-maybe all adopted special needs kids? There are families out there like that.

Oh yes, I do have a life-a very good and interesting one.

Again, if anything here offends you, this is not a Duggar fan forum. I'm sure there are plenty of those. Rather than dash off an angry reply, use the time to pray and self-reflect as to why you become so angry at people who do not agree with you. Pax Christi...

ruth 2 years ago

they are sick said that children goes to state are evil and other country are poor? but my contry are noy poor and i live in the uk

PEOPLE OF THE UK HAVE THE VERY BEST HEATH CARE BIN THE WORLD AND IT IS FREE

ruth 2 years ago

i think the duggar are nuts i wish that keep they mouth shut BECAUSE THE STATE ARE NOT EVIL

donna 2 years ago

I can't help but think of the Amish and Mennonite communities that thrive so near to my hometown. The Amish have several farms to the north of town, and there is a Mennonite community just to the east. They have their own school, church and their children are sheltered from the rest of the world (more so than the Duggars). We see them coming into town in horse and buggy and picking up supplies, or at the doctors offices or clinics with their children -- dressed in bonnets and home made clothes. The Mennonite men are sometimes seen riding bicycles into town and they all dress alike also. You do not see the Mennonite women on bicycles. I don't question why they would choose to live this way, it is their culture, their heritage, their belief system. I don't think I would accuse them of abusing their children either, although they live without hydro, telephone and many other ameneties that we are used to. I am quite certain their children work hard as part of the family. No, they don't go on tv & in fact, they do not wish to be photographed. However, they do invite the public to come to certain farms, and will give tours and a glimpse into their way of life. They also sell baked goods, eggs, etc. at their farms (but never on Sunday). We are allowed a look at their life sometimes because we are curious about those different than us, and we wonder how they can live like that. Are their children robots because they also speak only of their parents' beliefs? Are other children robots because they only wish to say and wear exactly what the television, movies and their popular peers say and wear? Are other children "free" because they have cell phones and can text each other "my parents are sooooo stupid LOL......" ??? Are the teenaged girls at the highschool across the road from me who stand in the smoking area wearing short skirts and low cut tops "free"? Are the children partaking of the condoms available in the high school washrooms "free"? I wonder who is really being abused & exploited.....the Duggar girls, or those who feel it necessary to give up their virginity in their early teens........there is a daycare attached to the high school. For that matter, I wonder, just from watching the trailer, why oh why the children on "Toddlers in Tiara's" aren't immediately taken into protective custody! (I now change the channel even for the commercial on that one!)

Yes, the Duggars are on tv and do offer the curious a glimpse into their lives, as do several other families ...."The Little Couple", "Table for 12", "Little People Big World", "Gene Simmons -- Family Jewels", and so on. Some aspects of each family either appeals to us, or doesn't. Do we have the right to tell the Duggars how many children to have? The last time I checked the propaganda coming from the USA stated it was a "free" country. You are free to state your beliefs, sure. The Duggars state theirs, but the bottom line is....the number of children they have, and the belief system they raise them with is their decision, and no blog is going to change that, no matter how poor the spelling or grammar is. (I originally stopped by here because of the gross spelling error in the title!)

Beth 2 years ago

Amish and Mennonite communities don't put their children on tv to be exploited. They don't even let people take pictures of them. And unlike the duggars they allow their children to go out into the real world for a time ("rumspringa") to decide if they really want to live their life Amsih and only Amish.

I went to a private Christian school and had a very positive experience. I would most definitely send my child to Christian school over public school. Like the other poster said, homeschooling can be very lonely and boring.

Beth 2 years ago

Amish and Mennonite communities don't put their children on tv to be exploited. They don't even let people take pictures of them. And unlike the duggars they allow their children to go out into the real world for a time ("rumspringa") to decide if they really want to live their life Amsih and only Amish.

I went to a private Christian school and had a very positive experience. I would most definitely send my child to Christian school over public school. Like the other poster said, homeschooling can be very lonely and boring.

Deb 2 years ago

Donna says: Do we have the right to tell the Duggars how many children to have?

If Ma and Pa are on any type of welfare then yes we do have the right to ask them to curtail their rabbit habits.

Here are some questions I notice the Duggars haven't answered yet. What type of insurance do the Duggars have and how much do they pay for premiums? I hear Pa gets tax payer paid health care since he was in the Senate years ago. If that's true, then he's a leech and only having all these babies because the tax payers are paying for them.

Another question I would ask is about who pays for their trips to different parts of the country? Does TLC pay for them? I'm assuming TLC pays for the trips and all the expenses involved.

Why doesn't Pa seem ot have a real job? He's always hanging around the house and never seems to be selling real estate, that is, if that's his job. How much do they make from their rentals every month? How do they support such a large brood on rental property alone? Unless he makes a lot of money on rentals, I don't know how they support their brood.

How many people in the community give Ma and Pa food, clothes, money, furniture etc? How many people feel sorry for these people and donate to them out of pity?

How the hell are the girls gonna find dates or mates if they never get the opportunity to meet young men? Same question can be asked of the boys.

christianfreaks 2 years ago

a breath of fresh air? you're a idiot, these people are perverted freaks and all their children should be taken away.

how would this earth look if every fertile couple had 19 kids which these FREAKS now have?

this dumb woman will die either in an eventual childbrith or will simply go to sleep and die and leave all these children motherless..

people like this shouldn't be on tv.. they should be chastized and shamed for their behavior..

this is sickening perversion..

Amy 2 years ago

I think a lot of you are extremely disrespectful, I am not a full worshiping christian but after seeing the Duggar's example I sometimes wish I was brought up that way. Isnt it up to them how many children they wish to have? .. It could be worse, they could be out of work claiming thousands of benefits but their not. 'Creepy' is very offending to say the least. Their children are clean, polite and happy and a lot of people think Courtship is strange but for a lot of people thats what they believe in, Michelle and Bob have not forced this on their child as they did not wait until they were married. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but when its a pointless one and describes the family as 'freaks' 'icky' and 'creepy' then you should be ashamed to post such comments. I admire the Duggar's and wish them all the happiness.

lame 2 years ago

FOR GOD SAKES STOP BREEDING!!!!!!!!!!!! Your family makes me sick! Quoting Bill Burr "thats not a family portrait its an enviornmental disaster!!! I think 4-5 kids is reasonable but still pushing it.. but what these people are doing should be illegal! our resources have limits we need to be more responsible!! and these A-holes are off in la la land.. quoting myk "Two words: irresponsible and contraception"

Poor Duggar Kids 2 years ago

They have already exploited their latest child today..http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/28/duggar-baby-19-im-re

Sad. :(

donna 2 years ago

This is not an argument where there will be winners. We all have our own opinion & there isn't alot of point arguing and arguing. Am I going to change my mind because you call me names? No. But, being disrespectful and resorting to name calling shows how our society is now-a-days. Oh well.

As far as health benefits and all of that -- I cannot comment since I live in a country with universal health care & I don't know how it works in the states. I take more exception to my tax dollars being paid to people who smoke and the huge costs to the system there...but that is my own opinion. I also take exception to paying for abortions....again my opinion & I most certainly am entitled to it (since my tax dollars are paying for it). There are also families on welfare where you see the mommies (16 & 17 years old) pushing their strollers downtown & buying lottery tickets and cigarettes and their babies doing without. That bothers me. What can I do about it? Nothing really, because they all have rights too. Now, everyone else will continue to rant and rave & that is fine. Go nuts. You all have your opinions, and I am sad for so many of you. I am thankful for what I have in life, which is my family.

donna 2 years ago

This is not an argument where there will be winners. We all have our own opinion & there isn't alot of point arguing and arguing. Am I going to change my mind because you call me names? No. But, being disrespectful and resorting to name calling shows how our society is now-a-days. Oh well.

As far as health benefits and all of that -- I cannot comment since I live in a country with universal health care & I don't know how it works in the states. I take more exception to my tax dollars being paid to people who smoke and the huge costs to the system there...but that is my own opinion. I also take exception to paying for abortions....again my opinion & I most certainly am entitled to it (since my tax dollars are paying for it). There are also families on welfare where you see the mommies (16 & 17 years old) pushing their strollers downtown & buying lottery tickets and cigarettes and their babies doing without. That bothers me. What can I do about it? Nothing really, because they all have rights too. Now, everyone else will continue to rant and rave & that is fine. Go nuts. You all have your opinions, and I am sad for so many of you. I am thankful for what I have in life, which is my family.

torns 2 years ago

I don't know whats worse parents that would actuallky exploit their serverely premature baby or the T.V. Execs that would allow it. Someone needs to call child protective services and save this little girl from being explioted. For the rest of her life if she survives without disablities as the baby 19 the one born at 25 weeks.

SHAME ON YOU JIMBOB AND MICHELLE DUGGAR SHAME ON YOU have you no remorse or respect for the little oe fighting for her life SHAME ON YOU

Lauren 2 years ago

Look, I am nothing like the Duggars. I wish I was.

I believe they truly are a happy family. The children

seem happy to have so many family members. I am an only

child and which I had brothers and sisters. I love Michelle

and Jim Bob. I think its a beautiful thing that they are

happy. Why do they have to be creepy? I mean, are they

creepy because they are happy? It doesnt make sense.

I love them and are so happy for them. When they think

their family is complete, they will stop.

sweettart85 2 years ago

After seeing the Duggars on the cover of a magazine, I had to laugh.. I make a point not to watch the show. They remind me a pastor and his family I knew growing up. The whole system was identical.. the children feared their father, they had no privacy, the kids knew they were loved by their parents, but it was so plain to see that they didn't FEEL loved. What happened to letting your kids make mistakes and learn from them?? We don't live in the garden of eden.. it's 2010. And the poor kids can't express themselves at all like other children. They aren't truly happy......they are FORCED to conform. Gaaa, they are so phoney, that it's sickening!

Typical of "christians".....portraying to be something their not.. most are so stubborn, that they become ignorant...

it's the truth...at least in my experiences

Mark 2 years ago

For some reason I'm watching this show right now and I wanted to know how this guy supports 19 kids. I can barely support myself. They are weird but then again all christians are weird and ignorant.

Smitty 2 years ago

I think I understand the hostility in this forum toward the Duggars. After all, none of them have ever blocked traffic, damaged/looted property, spit on cops or otherwise trashed others’ rights during political temper tantrums. None have ever killed an unborn child in the name of convenience. None have ever praised Lenin and Marx as great visionaries. None have ever thrown red paint on someone for wearing fur or leather. None have ever exercised the freedom they enjoy by railing against the military that defends that freedom. None have ever asked the government to help support the children they (cough) chose to bring into the world. Such freaks, to be sure!

Yep, I believe I can see why the prospect of more of these "lowlifes" among the living gets them so pissed. And I'm laughing at every bigoted post I see here. The bottom line is "They're not like me, so they're a-holes."

Three guesses who the real a-holes are?

Deb 2 years ago

Pa Duggar supports his hoard by pimping his family on TV, book deals, rental property and probably a lot of donations by people who feel sorry for these weird people with one foot in the 21st century and the rest of their body in the 17th century.

I have seen families like the Duggars who depend on the charity and kindness of people who don't have large familes and can afford to help those who do. Depend on the Lord? What a bunch of crock. If they truy depended on the Lord they would have their children without any intervention from Drs., nurses, etc. They would just spit out babies and pray over them for "Gods will to be done."

If there is a god, I hope he ties her tubes or her husbands. They are a bad example of how NOT to be a parent.

Smitty 2 years ago

Paulie said: "They have ugly personalities toward people not like them..."

As do you.

call me asshole 2 years ago

people should have as much sex as they want, there is even a position called misionary for those of you who are religious, SEX FEELS GOOD there is no shame in feeling good, nor is there shame in being black, islam, spanish, chinese, homosexual, bisexual, transgendered or any other god damn person. Nobody has the right to reject a woman or any other person because they have less than 30 kids just because it is not in line with their absurd beliefs and idiotic ways of life. Furthermore if you are so interested in having a colossal family, why not get over yourself and adopt a child who needs a roof over their head, a bed to sleep in, clothes to wear and food to eat? Perhaps its because children who are delt a shitty hand arent going to be angels so who the fuck cares about them? Because these people didnt spawn them themselves therefore they are not as important? Finally if families all lived as the Duggars do the world would be a worse place than it already is, earth is already past its carrying capacity of humans in that we use resources at a rate faster than that of which the environment can replenish them, the last thing we need are more people. I'm down with religion or spirituallity but promoting it in such a selfish, degrading,and intolerant way is absolutely abhorrent. Also could someone tell me why the fuck god would want an army, i thought he wasnt down with violence and shit. And please do not argue your point by referring to religious texts, they provide no foundation for a logical argument, and if you absolutely insist on using religion as a tool, please note there multiple other religious texts that would refute your beliefs.

whocares 2 years ago

the father looks creepy!!!!!!!!!!! like i am the boss its my way and i am right!!!!!!!!!!! he should learn to keep his thing in his pants and michelle should learn to say NNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! how can two people give enough love and attention to 19 kids common now seriously. what about time for her body to heal two babies in one year it to much, they were lucky this time, maybe next time they will lose both mom and baby, then what would he do?? find another to take michelle's place. TLC ENOUGH WITH THIS CRAZY FAMILY STUFF, there has to be more to tv than this. and if that is all tlc can come up with i will block that channel from my home .. this is my opinion

catherine 2 years ago

the only thing that is strange and wierd here is that - THEY RAISE THEIR CHILDREN WITHOUT TELEVISION and INTERNET -

catherine 2 years ago

the only thing that is strange and wierd here is that - THEY RAISE THEIR CHILDREN WITHOUT TELEVISION and INTERNET - but EXPLOIT THEM VIA TELEVISION AND ALSO INTERNET the paycheques that keep this family afloat and allow them the the luxury that even 3 children family cannot afford for their children are based on the one thing that apparently the "DUGGAR ELDERS" feel are not suitable "content" for their quiverfull - but do I sense that the "DUGGAR ELDERS" can justify the exploitation of their "conservative Christian Children" via the media for the paycheque?

disturbed. 2 years ago

The passing on of their religious cult ideas is disgusting.

THE SMUGGERS ARE NUTS! 2 years ago

Michelle and Jim Bo claim they didn't tell Josh to wait till he was married to kiss. LMAO! Please! He called them after his kiss free proposal to Anna to ask mommy and daddy if it was ok to hold hands. SMH

They should have said "NO! No physical contact of ANY kind! It might lead to impure thoughts!!!!" Seriously! It's ok to hold hands? But not to kiss? Where do they get this crap from ? Why didn't they just do an arranged marriage where the kid doesn't even know who he is marrying? He for sure wouldn't have "impure thoughts". LOL And to all you "Smugger" lovers out there; IF YOUR NOT LIVING YOUR LIFE EXACTLY HOW THE DUGGARS ARE AND YOUR PROFESSING THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE WONDERFUL, GREAT, AMAZING, ETC THEN YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES! THROW OUT YOUR TV'S, PUT ON YOUR LONG SKIRTS AND START POPPING OUT THOSE BABIES PEOPLE!

HA HA 2 years ago

"you know why they can't have sex standing up?

It might lead to dancing..."

LMAO!!! Heaven forbid! Dancing of ANY KIND = EVILNESS!!

Jane 2 years ago

I loved the whole hand holding thing. If you watch it you will see that they didn't just hold hands as most people do. They were constantly pushing their hands against the other's hands and weaving their fingers in and out-the way two bodies would push and weave... Did anyone else notice that?

Lynne 2 years ago

I am only curious.... if they are so conservative why are they nationalizing everything they do?

Deb 2 years ago

Lynne they are into the money their TV show, book, internet crap and anything else they can exploit. They know they'd never be famous any other way, so why not exploit it? Plus, all those mouths to feed, medical bills, toys, cars, electric bills, etc. need to be paid and the kids don't have jobs because they have to babysit all the kids these 2 nitwits produce but can't take care of.

I know a few families with more kids than the Duggars and they didn't get a TV show for it. They chose to rear their children the old fashioned way....they had jobs and earned their money by working, not posing for cameras.

THE SMUGGERS ARE NUTS! 2 years ago

@ Jane

OMG Yes I noticed that! They were caressing and slidig their fingers in and out, up and down. They were not having pure thoughts while doing that!! No freakin way!

kendall 2 years ago

I find Mrs Duggar to be absolutely self absorbed. I know many people admire her but when you really analyze it, she's extremely selfish. Their life primarily revolves around her hoping to get pregnant, or being pregnant. Of course she spends time doing crafts and making last century prairie clothes for her and her girls. Weird. Reproducing like a rodent while making the older kids rear the younger kids is abusive, its a version of child slavery. The kids in time will resent her for stealing their child hood. The Duggar kids know way too much about their parent's conjugal business, its seems to be the focus of their family. Its kind of sick. Mix that with their very very fringe christian fundamentalist views and and you have a cult mentality. I know what I speak of because I studied and befriended members of a worldwide cult known as the family of God for several years. There are many parallels between them and the Duggars.

As for the finances, well right now they're probably churning money through good old fashioned exploitation on tv, internet and books.

I agree with those who consider Mr and Mrs Duggar as freaks. Unfortunately the law can't stop them from breeding.

ZanyO 2 years ago

Wasted my time to read all the comments here about this uncontrolled selfish pair that are like some forced breeder dogs. Mrs D. will continue this breeding till she is spent. Mr. Duggar in my eyes has found his niche in our society of using the over breeding situation to the extreme along with that excuse of using it to even take advantage of those that are religious but very gaulible and weak of any reasonable understandings. If we all watch them on TV (which he hypocritically is against for his children to have such freedom but uses it to HIS benifit) then he wins in many repects. This is him joyfully and shamelessly doing such advantageous thing of using all resources to benifit himself rather than having to work his arse off like so many do to just support a few children we can afford --but know our limits to not abuse resources and leave room for others to do the same. I totally agree with all those that see this as them being resource hogs, hypocrites and forming their own CULT!!! For example--there are restrictions impossed on those that used to freely smoke in places. (by the way, smokers pay heavy tax on their bad habits) so don't hit them harder then this darn family that seems to know how to USE ALL up-to-date surrondings at other's expense. OH yes and they even have bleeding hearts feeling more sorry for them, watching them having fun times, etc. We are getting to the point that some freedoms of people's choices are restricted and yes if we ALL would find same ways to breed to the excess and over populate our countries then there might be such a thing as what China has imposed --of taxing/limiting the amount of children we can have in this country too someday. Really now, this what the Duggar's are doing is not a good thing for this era and as in today's dwindling resources and standards. If anyone likes reality shows, there are better people to watch then these user freaks.

Deb 2 years ago

I see the Gold Duggars are on the front cover of People magazine. I almost gagged when I saw it. They probably don't allow the kids to read People yet they are lining their pockets with pay for a magazine I doubt they'd allow in their home. I tell you, these people are getting creepier, freakier, stranger and more hypocritical by the day. I wish her womb and their TLC show would dry up and blow away.

Ethan 2 years ago

I have never seen this on TV before since just look it up on the net and see segments. And that is too much to see. There is no appeal for me to support such really. People should just not watch and the "Gold Duggars" will not get what they so crave--which is attention and $$$/their kids are like a commodity/a means of easy job for the male there. Seems to me they hate all what is out there but use it to the fullest as long as there are fools to support them by watching them and being all gaga about their life style.

Jennie 2 years ago

COME ON PEOPLE...lets all be honest with each other. These 2 so called adults are WHACKED out of their freaking creationism minds. Their house or church is such BS it makes me sick..try working my 70 hour work week to keep my household with 3 children barley going. It seems TLC loves to show these FREAK shows..IE Gosselins, Teutuls and then the families INPLODE, they have major issues that destroy the family. I guarantee you the Cult known as 20 and something and the motorcycle freaks will have major addiction, relationship and a multi-tude of other issues.

Primarily, the Duggars are done, I FEAR that being home schooled and so isolated will lead to hatred towards their parents and the girls will never know the words no I'm to tired or have a headache. It's great for "Jim Bob I just produced another one" Duggar to not know about planned parenting...what an example to set...it makes our family sick to think of all the kids that SHOULD be adopted. They are extremely selfish and as we all can see, very uneducated. I've heard of this in the southern states and now we can all witness it first hand. It will be so sad to see all the issues that these children will have in the future but all Jim Bob has to worry about each show is the amount of hair spray to keep his hair in place...he said something like 20 mins to work on this hair.

I hope they have learned their lesson and start to read real books about evolution to educated their children..they don't have to agree but aleast it opens their minds. My word, they boys did not know Babe Ruth...that is a real sin and the parents should be in prison for closing a childs mind. Jim Bobs eyes scare my whole family and I fear for those children...the ones of age should run and take the young ones with them.

Sorry to go on, but it is such a sad situation...they remind me of David Koresh!!

C 2 years ago

One thing that has always bothered me about the Duggars is this: When the kids are asked a questions in regards to why they live the way they do I have always gotten the feeling that they are only saying what the parents have pumped into them. i recognize the rote answers because I grew up the same way. I was told what to believe and what to say to justify the extremely religious way we had to dress and act, example: long dresses, long uncut hair,etc,etc.

I have also never been quite sure what to think about Jim Bob. Something is off....

i am also like some of the rest of you very bothered by the fact that the older children are the ones raising the little kids, cleaning that enormous house, and doing all the cooking. Just once I would like to see Michelle cooking a meal or getting the little kids dressed for the day. I do think that kids need to have chores and responsibilities but I am a firm believer in the parents working side by side with. Don't just hand out the orders and disappear to who knows where.

Do you think the children may be in for the shock of their lives when and if the ever get out into society? Jason may not have known how to respond to friend that gave him a birthday card because they relate so rarely to other people that they are slightly socially awkward. Not a good thing.

And the heck is up with the kids doing their Christmas shopping at GOODWILL!!! Are you kidding me!!! Can't those overworked kids have new things at least ONCE a year???!!!!!

Laurie 2 years ago

Remember the Debolts? MOST of their children were not their own. They were mostly adopted and were very diverse racially and had special needs. They were doing God's work for sure.

dafultz 2 years ago

I am not a christian fanatic or a so called bible thumper, but the Duggars are truly an example in our world today. There kids will be just fine in society, of course who knows what each individual child will turn out like but these people are very good people with good morals and they are putting good people on this earth and we need as many of them as we can get. They are putting a message out there of there faith and they have been very accepting of all of the people they have come across and have not judged them. All they want is to spread thier message and it is not a bad message to spread. There kids have seen the world they have been everywhere and learned about society they will be no strangers to that. These people are ordinary people and things happen in there lives just like everyone else's they just know how to handle it they put there trust in god and it shows they are not fake about who they are.

dafultz 2 years ago

I am not a christian fanatic or a so called bible thumper, but the Duggars are truly an example in our world today. There kids will be just fine in society, of course who knows what each individual child will turn out like but these people are very good people with good morals and they are putting good people on this earth and we need as many of them as we can get. They are putting a message out there of there faith and they have been very accepting of all of the people they have come across and have not judged them. All they want is to spread thier message and it is not a bad message to spread. There kids have seen the world they have been everywhere and learned about society they will be no strangers to that. These people are ordinary people and things happen in there lives just like everyone else's they just know how to handle it they put there trust in god and it shows they are not fake about who they are.

Smitty 2 years ago

Sadly amusing that all this venom, directed at a productive, self-sufficient family (and largely based upon hatred of their beliefs) isn’t aimed at individuals who breed like rabbits with multiple bedmates, expect taxpayers to foot the bill for their fun and (in the case of the fathers) accept no responsibility for their actions. Helluva lot more than 19 kids resulting from such behavior and each one of them is far more likely to be a liability to society, not an asset.

torns 2 years ago

Smitty, in case yiu don't know this already but the duggars are as much a drain on the american economy as the families to which you are referring too. They have had their home declared as a church to avoid paying the relevant taxes on the house and land, every baby they have medicade pay the expenses so they do not have to have health insurance to the level that most tax payer would have.

And should I say the fact that they are putting themselves and pimping their children out to the media puts them in the place to be ridiculed and critized. If they weren't in the spot light shoving the over fundamental beliefs down our throats then there probably wouldn't have so many people as you would say "spitting" venom at them.

They are breeding autobots who will not fit into normal society as they have lived an extremely sheltered life.

Seliny19 2 years ago

I'm actually excited to see one of the kids in their family just explode one day and lash out at everyone. There is NOTHING healthy about this family. The dad seems like a control freak, religous nut, who is brainwashing his kids in the name of GOD! And the wife seems addicted to sex and having kids yet never taking care of them. Has anyone even noticed that she's only hugged like two of her kids like ONCE during the run of the whole entire show?! It's SICK. And the Duggars don't even raise their kids. They just throw that responsibility to the older children. How the heck is that parenting? Not once have I seen the Duggar couple actually even TOUCH their other older kids. I just see two crazy people who aren't fit to raise their kids, trying to spread religous propaganda. The best part of this though, is that people aren't naive, stupid, evil, and gullible enough to fall for their crap and become crap parents and raise robots like them. Children are meant to be loved, cared for, and given freedom and understanding, while being firm in your role as a parent and teaching them from right and wrong. Not raising your kids to be Robots that will reproduce like rabbits.

Dianne 2 years ago

You know, the kids aren't allowed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes because they never get to go anywhere or do anything unless it's with the whole family. How weird is that? Teenagers hanging around Mom and Dad 24/7? No dates, boyfriends, girlfriends, going places without a chaperone. One of the reasons they can't go out is the girls have to babysit their younger siblings so Mom can pump out another one. I really hope this is her last one but if it isn't I hope the girls go on strike and refuse to babysit anymore babies. But, beings the Dad is such a control freak, he'd probably force them to watch the babies by making them feel guilty if they didn't. What a sick bunch of idiots they are.

lorraine 2 years ago

i completely agree! this family is CREEPY. weirdos.

what's the deal with the same buttoned up shirts & skirts?

parents not showing affection to their kids?

kids not interacting with the "outsideworld"? its like living in North Korea.

they dont even have girlfriends/ boyfriends..do they even talk about crushes? they only play & talk to each other, together, 24/7 inside their house. i wont be shocked if one of 'em gets attracted to their sibling. i know its sick. but they're sick!

it is soooo not healthy not to allow your kids to go out with other people aside from their family. do they even have internet? its like a cult. they're like in freakin' "pleasant ville"

i feel hairs at the back of my neck whenever dad smiles in front of the camera.

and michelle. OMG michelle. what's with the buttoned up plaid shirt & ankle length denim skirt. u dont have to be all luxurious but at least dress up normal for once.pleeeeaaase. michelle dont care much abt her kids. she carries the baby but once he/she can walk, then comes the next...it then becomes the responsibily of her older kids. sick.

lorraine 2 years ago

i completely agree! this family is CREEPY. weirdos.

what's the deal with the same buttoned up shirts & skirts?

parents not showing affection to their kids?

kids not interacting with the "outsideworld"? its like living in North Korea.

they dont even have girlfriends/ boyfriends..do they even talk about crushes? they only play & talk to each other, together, 24/7 inside their house. i wont be shocked if one of 'em gets attracted to their sibling. i know its sick. but they're sick!

it is soooo not healthy not to allow your kids to go out with other people aside from their family. do they even have internet? its like a cult. they're like in freakin' "pleasant ville"

i feel hairs at the back of my neck whenever dad smiles in front of the camera.

and michelle. OMG michelle. what's with the buttoned up plaid shirt & ankle length denim skirt. u dont have to be all luxurious but at least dress up normal for once.pleeeeaaase. michelle dont care much abt her kids. she carries the baby but once he/she can walk, then comes the next...it then becomes the responsibily of her older kids. sick.

anna 2 years ago

i cant wait for these weirdos to perform their dance number, choreographed by jim & michelle of course---who else?!

they're like the brady bunch but way beyond creepier.

kyra 2 years ago

LOL anna!!

i wish that one day the cast of jersey shore crashes their oh soooo strange house. that would be a great episode. hahaha

Alisha 2 years ago

I couldn't say it better! You know why they are always so happy, don't you--the wife feels loved because the husband is showing her "sex-tention", the husband is cheerie because he's getting action, and they both don't have to raise their kids--the older kids raise the younger ones! The only people who I know can't be as happy as they should be are the children. They don't know real love and attention. They are well taken care of physically, but I don't think emotionally. Whoever said they were a little cult was right! I am a Christian too, and believe in God and believe to love all children. HOWEVER, they are using God as a crutch so they can over-procreate. God would rather have children loved (truely, deeply, and fully BY PARENTS), than have them just being. When JimBobbo says he lives on his salary alone---that's a pile. I am one of the frugalest (?) people alive--thrift stores, free-bee's, cheap food, old car, and I'm a teacher not to mention!) and I still don't have a manchine and 20 kids! It's just me and my husband. I'm also an Environmentalist who believes that the world is getting over-populated. What if we all were selfish and did this? Why should they be praised for it!? Save the world, support your kids, and WEAR A CONDOM! (hey...the Duggars say they don't use pills becuase they kill...do condoms count as killers--there isn't a baby yet?)

Candace 2 years ago

Michelle's 19th baby was so premature, she could wind up damaged for life. But they will just say that is God's will, and Michelle will get pregnant again. There will be no end until menopause. Say she has 20 and each of the 20 has 20. The Duggars would have 400 grandchildren! You probably felt pretty special in the eyes of your grandma, but what if your grandma had 399 other grandkids? No way could she even remember your name. She might not even have recognized you! Say the kids don't breed as much as Michelle and average only 6 babies apiece. That is still 120 grandchildren. It boggles the mind!!!

Anagram: Loom Pony 2 years ago

Okay, I can agree with people about some of the Duggars' faults (and I'll get to that later), but I cannot agree with the argument that they should stop having kids due to overpopulation. Seriously, nothing infuriates me more than people telling other people that they can't have as many kids as they want just because of some impending doom that doesn't exist. Did you know that before the world population was even 1 billion, doomsayers were going on about overpopulation and saying that the world couldn't support 1 billion people? As you can obviously see, they were wrong.

Now some may argue 'But there are millions, if not billions of starving people in the world!!'-- That is true, but that is not due to the world not having enough resources and land to support them all. Developed countries (US, Canada, Australia and European countries in particular) waste more than enough food to feed the world's population twice over (which is why some people in developed countries become 'freegans' and eat the food that people throw away), and if we were more responsible in spreading our resources and were far less wasteful, then world hunger would be a much smaller problem. As far as taking up land... ever hear of apartments? Its the easiest way to support a large population in a small plot of land comfortably and Japan has been doing it for ages. Also, due to the whole 'green' movement, architects have been designing far more environmentally friendly and energy efficient homes, that will only become more popular and in-demand in the future, because even people who don't care about the enviornment would love the money-saving benefits of an energy efficient home.

Also, in developing countries where women recieve plenty of education and oppurtunites to thrive, the population of young people is steadily decreasing. Some European countries are beginning to see negative population growth. The reason for this is that Educated women usually choose to have children later in life or not at all in order to pursue their career and be successful in life. Going back to Japan, A great deal of their population is over 50, and they are beginning to panic about their 'dying population' and the women are backtracking a bit and focusing more on getting married than a career in order to restore it. But they are the only country I know of that is seeing negative population growth as a crisis needing to be reversed. More and more, even in the US, women are deciding that they do not ever want children, and once poorer countries become more developed and educate thier women, then this will become far more common and the 'overpopulation issue' that people keep whining about will reverse itself.

The point that I am getting at is that for every Duggar family, at this time, there are several couples who never want to have kids and have taken measures to prevent that from ever happening to them. The Duggars' large family is only negating other couples' lack of one and childless couples are becoming more common at a faster rate than Duggar-like families, so I don't see thier actions as being harmful to the environment or stupid as far as resources go. If 20 children were going to brought into this world, what does it matter if they are all from one family or separated into ten? And who's to say that at least a few the Duggar children won't decide that thier parents have got it all wrong, and decide to have only a few children(or none)?

Environmentally, I don't see them as doing anything wrong, and I think people criticizing them for that are just the kind of paranoid people who thought that the US was going to have another Great Depression back in 2008. The world isn't in as a dire situation as people think and it isn't going to end anytime soon just because people choose to have kids.

Now do I think what the Duggars are doing is completely fine? No. I think that having that many kids is wrong only because they are making the older kids raise the younger. There is nothing wrong with occasionally babysitting your younger siblings: Back when my parents first adopted my youngest brother, my other brother and I would babysit him when my parents went on dates (about 1-2 times a month). But the older kids aren't babysitting, thier outright raising thier younger siblings, and that is just wrong. If Michelle and Jim Bob can't raise all thier children, they have no business continuing to have them, then dumping them off on thier older kids.

Oh, and Paulie? I don't believe for a second that you recieved a call to go on Oprah. I know you used that story to try to make yourself sound like a modest person, but it seriously made you sound like a pompous tool. No offense, but that's the vibe I got from it.

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Anagram: Loom Pony 2 years ago

I wanted to reply to some of the comments posted here:

@THE SMUGGERS ARE NUTS!: How is it hypocritical to think that someone is doing good, but not live EXACTLY like them? By your logic, any one who likes thier parents and isn't a clone of them is a hypocrite. Well, I'd rather be a hypocrite than a freaking Duggar kid (clones of thier parents).

@call me asshole: You say--" Also could someone tell me why the fuck god would want an army, i thought he wasnt down with violence and shit. And please do not argue your point by referring to religious texts, they provide no foundation for a logical argument, and if you absolutely insist on using religion as a tool, please note there multiple other religious texts that would refute your beliefs"

You know that also makes no sense right? You ask people a religious question regarding God's stance on violence, but don't want them to use religious text to prove thier point? What the hell do you want, then? Anyway, who told you that God was against violence? Any religious text that mentions God depicts him forming some sort of army, or instigating violence in some way. Even if you don't believe in it, the Old Testament is one hell of a read-- The sex, violence, and drama in that book rivals a lot of the content that religious people whine about seeing on television.

Joy :D

Smitty 2 years ago

torns, define "shoved down our throats." What exactly has this family shoved down YOUR throat? Have they taken over every channel? Are there armed "Bible-thumpers" in your home, tying you down and forcing you to watch their show? Or are you just another atheist who is pissed off that a group that disagrees with you is watched by millions?

Do you apply terms like "pimping" to other groups/families who support themselves by sharing their lives over the airways? Take a look at how many other "reality" shows currently exist. It's just that "religion" thing again, isn't it? You think anyone raised by parents that believe in a higher power is an "autobot," don't you? The “tolerance” you demand from them sure as hell doesn’t emanate from you.

Charming remark you made a few weeks ago:

“Free the children before its too late and sterilize their parents.”

What you say if someone professing to be Christian (or any other faith) called atheists “dangerous” and demanded that their children be ripped from their homes and their parents sterilized?

Bigotry runs all directions, not just yours. Try visualizing what you would do if you were on the receiving end of such a twisted thought.

BigWoollyMammoth 2 years ago

It is completely creepy. And the fact that they want to broadcast their private lives over the television just shows you how attention starved this whole brood is.

Put a condom on...

torns 2 years ago

Smitty

Shoved down our throats well everywhere you turn whether it be on t.v or in magazines you see the duggars god facebook is the latest. I switched between about 6 channells and they were on it being an australian i was suprised they made our new programs then when i turned on to watch the view THEY were on it, i did my grocery shopping and they were on the cover of 3 or our magazines so yes it is getting shoved down our throats.

As for my pimping reference you obviously haven't read all the other posts that people write as i am not the only one who has mentioned it, and yes i would use the term for any family who chooses to publicly parade their family over the airwaves through reality t.v FOR their own gain and not to benefit the children like providing college educations and then don't let their children watch the show they star on.

I am not an atheist I am presbyterian and the tolerence i had for this family went out the window at oh i would say about child 17. This family make even the most dysfunctional family look good. She doesn't raise the ones she has her eldest daughters do. So excuse me for thinking that she has robbed those girls of a childhood. Michelle does need to have her tubes tied the reason is purely medical as a nurse i can tell you that a woman should hvave no more then 4 c sections in her life everytime a woman has one it weakens the uterus can rupture and they should wait at least 2 years before falling pregnant again after a c section. Mrs duggar has been told this and has repeatedly choosen to ignore the health professionals resulting in her changing ob/gyns. She put this latest baby in danger, she was ill after having baby 18. What would you like her to do? keep having children until either she or the baby she is having die. This family doesn't preach tolerance they are smug and conceited.

The children are so sheltered and are afraid to speak their mind. If you were to put them out in the real world they wouldn't be able to handle it.

doesnt matter 2 years ago

hey people you dont have to watch the show if you dont like what they do or stand for..,,. many other channels to choose.. if your complaining it is because you watch the show...,give it a rest let them live the life they want whether U agree or not... you just have to push a button and change the channel your not obligated to watch them

breemystic 2 years ago

Disclaimer: The following post contains my opinion. Anyone who disagrees me has a right to. I am not a fundy christian.

With the disclaimer said, I have a couple of notes, and a couple of things that I disagree with. And I do have the right to disagree.

1)It has been said that James Bob Duggar and Michelle A. Duggar do not pay taxes on their 20 acre property, and their personal property, this could not be farther from the truth. To find out that this claim is completely false, follow the following steps:

1. go to www.ar-taxes.com

2. Click on Washington County, there is a link from 2 years ago that will bring you to the Washington County page.

3. In the find my tax number box, type in Duggar,

4. Once you reach the parcels, click the ones that say James or Michelle Duggar.

5. They have at least 4 parcels, on the Personal Property they pay nearly 1000.00 for just the 7000 sq ft house, for the property itself it's a good 6000.00 or more in taxes that they pay. They pay voluntary library and fire department taxes on their real estate.

With their real estate included they pay 15,000.00 a year in taxes. That doesn't count the taxes that they pay in business income, from the commercial rental properties, and the cell phone tower income. For those of you that will say James Bob Duggar only has one commercial renter out of 7 just because you only saw him picking up a check from one person, and you assume that's the only payment he got. I want you to stop and think about how many things you pay electronically. And yes I'm sure TLC does pay them to do the show, but they had 14 kids, yes they had a 3000 sq ft house, at the time, but they were building the 7000 sq ft house, and had paid 250,000 for the land, so they might not have been rich, but TLC doesn't pay everything. They are an example of people that have worked hard and made smart business decisions, and people tend to make more when they are business owners.

2) The duggar children are not slaves, this is my opinion, I grew up in a 2 person family until 14 years old, and my dad got remarried, and I had step siblings older than me, but up until 13 I was expected to help my parents out with my little brother, he's 4 years younger than me, when I was 9, my parents frankly stopped giving a crap about us, and also had a divorce, while they were being self indulgent, I had to take care of my brother, this included doing all the duties the duggar elder girls have to do. These duties were 4-5 hours every week day, and pretty much most of the weekend. I did not have a life until 14, and I'm not regretting it, my parents were also working 40-60 hours a week, and they were tired. I don't think I was a slave.

Take a look at people that run farms, or people that own restuarants, you really want to see child slaves, if you are in the US, look up world's strictest parents full episodes, it's a show on cmt, where whiny self involved teen who the parents can't handle are sent to "Strict" parent homes, where the teens are expected to help run businesses, and they are not paid for the work they do. Look at that, and that happens a lot.

3)The hot topic of religion, again this is my opinion, you have a right to yours. I am a buddhist now, but I started out christian, I went to a church of god, which is basically an extreme evangelical fundamentalist church, as extreme as you can get. And yes you are required to wear skirts, and have long hair as a female, and I did not mind, I still have long hair, because I like long hair. Because I can style it more than someone with short hair, I can actually put it back in a pony tail or a bun. I am no longer in the church of God and haven't been to a Christian church for at 2 years, because I do identify with buddhism more. As with wearing skirts and not wearing pants, well I do like wearing pants, I don't prefer skirts, but I had friends that really didn't mind. It's just possible the duggar girls want to wear skirts and long hair, it may not be normal, but what is the true definition of normal really?

The next thing, my opinion on contraception and children. Again my opinion. As a buddhist, I believe that when we are about to be conceived we pick our parents, so I do not believe in abortion for that reason.

With contraception, factually condoms are only 97% effective I've had friends that have conceived on condoms.

With any kind of contraceptive, they can be between 80% to 99.9% effective, I have 2 family members that have families of 4 that can tell you what method they were using at the time of conception. This is why schools give abstinence classes, because the only way to avoid pregnancy is not having sex, or getting a woman's tubes tied, or a male having a vasectomy, those are the only ways.

Next, Contraceptive side effects, the common ones seem to be, blood clot, stroke and heart attack, and death, and an advisory to not smoke over 35 as it increases the risks of these symptoms. Also a lot of lawsuits are in place now for contraceptives like nuva ring, othro evra birth control path, Yaz, Yasmin. So is it really safe to take a contraceptive, michelle could be concerned about that.

Yes the pill could have caused a miscarriage in michelle, if it was early enough, the hormones that the pill puts into your body can cause an embryo not to be able to attach to the lining of the uterus. This is how an IUD works.

They always say that you should not take a contraceptive if you are or could be pregnant.

Plus I know for me, contraceptives make me sick, they cause depression, they cause headaches, and the heart problems, so some women aren't able to take them.

Lastly, again my opinion, the duggar's live in the United States, we have the bill of rights, everyone here is making sure they have freedom of speech, but what about freedom of religion. I agree with the person in another country that said if we aren't a free country, we shouldn't call ourselves a free country.

Okay I'm done now, I think the duggars are doing a good job.

Amanda  2 years ago

I think what they do is wonderful. What's said is most of the people that comment on here are living on welfare and are probably never going to stop using the government. I know for a fact that they pay property taxes and sales taxes. I am going to raise my family in the same way even though I'm southern Methodist. My girls will only trim their hair and wear skirts when they are of age to move out and they wish to do so then they will have that right. Once my children are out of my house they can live their own life. They can cut their hair and stop wearing skirts if they want to. I will still respect them and love them no matter what they decided to do in life.

anon 2 years ago

Amanda,

I think you need to look up the word generalisation. What you said about most of the people on here are using the government and aree on welfare is a generalisation. YOU don't know them and you don't know that they are "freeloading" off your government.

If you don't give children a little freedom as they grow up then you have problems with them. I have seen it happen too mant time parents being over protective to the point that the children are not aloud to do things that the average teen or child can do, rebel against their parents, the child may go out and fall pregnant, or do somethng tat the parents might not actually agree with (i am generalising here), I understand the need to protect ones child being a mother myself but i also understand the need for a child to feel like they have a bit of freedom and their right to make their own mistakes and learn from them. You can't wrap a child in cotton wool their entire childhood and expect them to be a well adjusted adult. The Duggar children already show signs of prejudicial to anyone that don't look or act just like them.

I agree with torns, as a health care professional myself it is more for health reason that mrs duggar should stop having children.

And as for not watching them, If they put themselves out in the public eye then they but themselves out there for critizing and scrutiny.

Anti-christ 2 years ago

These people are a cult. Any religion is a cult. I am so sick of them. They will end up being future drug addicts and strippers like other hard core christian child.

Matt 2 years ago

They are sick people. Taking resourses and space on this earth , for the reason of god ? Please , this makes me vomit. They are a cult.

lynn 2 years ago

Creepy to the Max. I could give a shit about peoples religion and their little well mannered kids. Whatever happened to Zero population growth I see them as selfish wasting the worlds resources at an alarming rate!

Thanks for the post. Glad to see someone else finds this so distasteful.

yum 2 years ago

I'm sorry but the fact is that it just isn't right to have that many children. Children need to live their life have friends and have fun, not spend all that time taking care of their siblings because mom and dad had too many to do it themselves. They are just another one of those people who thinks its their right to have as many children as they want when all that really does is just aid overpopulation. Women die in childbirth after having too many, is she trying to set a record of how many she can have before she dies from it? The amount of children the duggars have is really disgusting. Even if they believe in god it is not a reason to do something just because god isn't actively stopping you and forcing you not to do it. You could go out and kill someone but just because something didn't prevent you from doing it thats gods will? No. God gave you a mind. Use it. Ever heard of condoms? Ever thought of asking the kids what they want? I'm sure not all the older children are all that eager to have yet another child to care for. If they are, who knows if thats their choice, or their just doing that because thats all they know. Bottom line:the duggars really need to stop.

Phillip  2 years ago

Probably the creepiest thing to me about them is that all of their names start with J and the dad is named Jim Bob. Naming a kid Jedidiah or Jebodiah or whatever the fuck that name is is sheer lunacy.

THE SMUGGERS ARE NUTS! 2 years ago

Did you notice when they show the girls room there is a playpen in there? That's for when mommy duggar pushes the little one off on them when she pops a new little one out. Pretty neat huh?!

THE SMUGGERS ARE NUTS! 2 years ago

@Anagram: Loom Pony

Hypocrite.

lcc 2 years ago

What buisness is it of anybody's of how many kid's they have. As long as they are able to provide & take care of their kid's then their's nothing wrong with them having as many as they won't. Thier's no law as to how many kid's you are allowed to have. We don't know what goes on behind the camera's or how the family may be but it isn't our buisness. Nobody twist your are and make's you watch the show, it is to some of our delight to watch the show. Back year's ago it was the norm to have a big family. In today's world it's not really that much because people can't afford it and people put their ownselves first to want to have to put their life on hold to have to raise many kids. There's nothing creepy or strange about the Duggars, they seem to be very sweet & nice people with lot's of patience.

watchOUT 2 years ago

To me it's not the number of kids that is scary. The reason why they have that number of kids and why they have the lifestyle that they do is because they follow the teachings of Bill Gothard. I'm sure you can search through this article and do your own research about this man, but you'll never realize the damage that can be done by these teachings until you have an experience yourself. Unfortuantely, at our southern baptist church, we were in the process of looking for a new preacher when this family came along from Arkansas that already had 10 children. That was somewhat unusual because we didn't understand how they survive on a preacher's salary, but apparently they made do and everything was fine. He came, preached a good sermon, and soon became the preacher of our church. Not long afterward, his entire family started to act differently toward everyone. All of a sudden girls weren't good enough to pray in church, sermons were getting more and more directed toward an non-Christian agenda, and the preacher was lying to the church council about confrontations with other women in the church, trying to defend himself. Then one day, someone decided to do some research, and Bill Gothard's teachings matched exactly what was going on. Needless to say, that family literally tore our church apart because they conned some others into believing that they were "normal southern baptists" (if there could be such a thing). However, these people were all the older people in the church with no children or those who aren't involved in activities like VBS and youth activities with a lot of interaction with the family. I realize that I'm probably ranting, but I just want to make it clear to everyone that these teachings of Bill Gothard are of a cult. I and many others had to painfully experience it.

Sophie 2 years ago

Do you know what truly bothers me about the Duggars?

To put it simply: the "little christian robots."

I have nothing against Christianity, but the extent of the Duggar's belief is terrifying. When you believe in something so strongly, it clouds the world around you. When the answer to everything is "God," you should know something is wrong. On one of the Duggar's excursions, they dug fossils. When they were told how old the fossils were, they said it didn't make sense, and that the process of relative dating just goes in circles.

There are plenty of mysteries in this world, and God doesn't have to be he answer to everything. Life changes today, so there's no reason God and evolution can't exist at the same time. Even if life started on its own, maybe a god created this universe; matter, energy, space, time.

By keeping so many children away from society: homeschooled, no television or

Internet, and I'm assuming only "approved" books, the Duggar parents are keeping their children's minds from broadening. Where would we be today if all scientsts had said "this is god's work, we already know the answer"?

Joyce 2 years ago

Why promote producing "litters" by giving these freaks a show and money? Take that money and give it to the poor, the hungry, the suffering all over the world, people and animals. Do we want our daughters to be baby making machines? I find this couple offensive and to think their children will most likely follow their lead is frightening. Take this show off the air!!

Jackie 2 years ago

Her body must be like an old balloon. Ugh!

mac 2 years ago

These people seam to me that they are looking for attention.Look at the way they had to go get remarried right after Josh to cover up there son from being in the spot light then had to hurry up and have a new baby to cover up once again there son from having a new baby.They couldn't even just enjoy the moment of having a grand child.You notice although Michelle was helping anna pick out things for the baby she never paid for anything .Yet I saw Michelle's mother buying things for her great grand child. And now that little Josie's arrived poor little Jordon is running away from the younger siblings to avoid being dropped.Learning quickly no one is there protect or keep her from being hurt.It seams to me god was sending them a message when he sent them Josie he was saying don't use my children for attention or money.

Real Nonsense 2 years ago

This is really disgusting! While pop has all the fun, mom and kids do all the work! What kind of religion is this? These poor kids have no idea what they're missing and what their father is putting them through. How is he getting enough money to support them??? Is someone paying him for fooling around with his wife? I mean, really, isn't that all he's doing? He gets to have all the fun while his wife suffers health conditions and his children miss out on real childhood activities and fun. I find it strange how they're ALWAYS SMILING too. I feel like there's a mystery to be disclosed. Something just isn't right...

Real Nonsense 2 years ago

Another thing... Just because Jim Bob is having fun making out with his wife, he should not get money every time his wife pops another baby out. Aren't we just encouraging him to have another kid? I don't think he cares about his wife's health or the happiness of his kids. He just knows that people will support him every time he makes out with his wife. WHO GETS MONEY EVERY TIME THEY MAKE OUT??? The whole family looks brainwashed by him. Is he trying to be God? Someone needs to stop this!

Snow White 2 years ago

I agree they should take this show off the air. These people should not be encouraged. If everyone reproduced like they do, you wouldn't be able to sleep lying down anymore, we would be standing nose to nose 24/7. This is not normal or even close!!!

Brandon 2 years ago

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First of all, I'd like point out the fact that the author of this article, Paulie, is JEWISH. And I know this because in the article instead of spelling out the word God, Paulie spelled out the word G-d, and this is a very common Jewish tradition. So just being Jewish the author has a biased AGAINST THIS VERY NICE CHRISTIAN FAMILY, and AGAINST THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION. I am not racist, this is merely the truth. Am I the only one here who sees the whole picture?

Another quick point is that this family is not harming anyone, never judges anyone, has nothing against anyone, has a very loving family, and has taught their kids BETTER THAN ANYONE I'VE EVER KNOWN IN MY LIFE! They are the ideal American family, where some of us could learn a lot from watching their show - rather than complain about how their family is "too perfect."

Could Michael Phelps ever be too fast of a swimmer (should he slow down a bit)? Should Einstein not have been as smart as he was (should he have been a little dumber)? Could this family ever be too good a family (should they start acting bad so the rest of us will feel they are "normal")?

The Duggar family is the most NORMAL family I've ever seen. I think EVERYONE could a learn a thing or two from this amazing family. Maybe God sent them to be an example of how the rest of us should live our lives - ever thought of it like that?

WE NEED MORE FAMILIES LIKE THE DUGGAR FAMILY!!! :)

GOD BLESS THE DUGGAR FAMILY!!! GREAT JOB DUGGARS!!! :)

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Mac 2 years ago

Not harming anyone are you kidding me.Do you know how dangerous it was for them to having the bright lights of cameras are on a preemies.Why do you think poor little Josie was always laying on her back in the videos she was turning trying to get away from the bright lights.They couldn't even stop the cameras long enough to protect their child until she came out the hospital.And what happens when they try and have another.What if heaven forbid Michelle or the baby doesn't make it?All those children would hurting after loosing there mother.

Anon 2 years ago

Brandon,

Are you living under a rock or merely looking thru rose coloured glasses. The Duggars do indeed judge people, I belive the episode where the duggars are on the view, they admit calling women who do not wear what they considered modest clothing nikes and what about the episode where they went digging for fossils or was it gold and were told that they were deposited in the earth millions of years ago and the kids in their interviews said that the guy was ignorant and that the world was only 6000 years old, they don't judge people my ass.

As from learning alot from these fruit loops the only thing that my children will learn from them is how brainwashed they are and how ignorant they are to the SCIENTIFIC and Proven Facts of how the earth was made and the good things that has come from modern science.

It is obvious that YOU are of the same religious background of the duggars so who is bias here.

Wkae up to yourself and see them for the hypocrites that they are and whilst your at it how about a piece of humble pie

Jocelyn  2 years ago

They are the most disturbing family i have ever seen. Religious or not, they are freaks. Jim Bob should TRY taking care of those babies or keep it in his pants.

christine 2 years ago

i would like to know just when it became "irresponsible" to raise kids healthy and happy? Who are we to say how many kids is too many? So not anyones job but theres. If there was neglect going on thats different, but these kids are full of joy. If you dont agree with their faith, thats fine, but nobody should be looked down upon for choosing to raise their kids with good morals. Its ridiculous that its even being debated. What about say.. 9 kids? Is that okay? Who picks the number? These kids are way more well adjusted than many kids I know. leave the duggars alone . my goodness.

Kolby 2 years ago

Here is the issue with the Duggar's: This "Full Quiver" belief has put a crazy notion in their head that the more children you have, the closer to God you are. Lets leave the whole religious and social aspect out of the conversation and just look at the environmental impact. If they stop at 20 children and each of those children follow in the parents footsteps and have 20 children then the total number in the family is 422. Then comes the next generation of 8,000 bringing the number to 8,422. Generation four is where the numbers get ridiculous 168,422 in the family. Lets just stop at generation five (about 120 years of breeding) 3,368,422 people in that family tree. At that rate, considering mortality, the worlds population would be doubled in less 200 years from one family. One. Seriously one family. So if this type of fanatical breeding practice continued with a few thousand families how long could the Earth sustain itself? Wouldn't your God be rather upset if the wreckless breeding practices choked his creation into submission? Jim Bob, wear a condom....

anonymous 2 years ago

As a former teacher i saw first hand the horrific side of having too many children. The ability to have that many kids and not be on welfare is extremely rare.

My guess is that the whole reason for the tv show is to provide additional income for the family.

Unless they were multimillionaires before starting the show, i can't see an average family having the financial resources to support such a large family.

More importantly, hard to feel loved when you never get any kind of individual attention, or attention for that matter.

I pray that other people don't follow in the Duggars' footsteps.

natalie 2 years ago

Honestly I don't know what the problem is with some people...

These guys are not hurting anyone, they are not depending on the government and they aren't a cult. They have morals and standards and they stick to them. That is not a crime and it is not creepy or weird!

I believe the duggars are simply good people. They give me inspiration to be a better version of me. I hope that my family will hold fast to our beliefs.

Perhaps the original blogger is insecure or jealous of what a wonderful family the duggars are? Just because they are different does not mean they are not normal.

torns 2 years ago

well said paulie i agree whole heartedly. sorry to hear of your loss.

Su 2 years ago

Hi,

I don't live in the US (I did previously for 2 years), and only got to watch my first episode on the Duggers family today (mothers' day special). I find the family amazing and I cannot quite understand the 'hatred' that many seems to have of the family.

I say live and let live. And some of you said that the family is contributing to overpopulation of the world. Come on, be objective. They are a single family in few zillion, and seriously, they will not affect the 'overpopulation' much. And how many of you actually know that for the USA, the current situation is that the birthrates in the US is below the replacement level of 2.1? So they are helping USA, and ensuring that the economy can still survive when majority of the people are older/ not working and need to be supported by the young. Read here on the birthrate. Do note that the source is from CNA and is not from the catholic news agency: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/population_

I do not see anything wrong with the children having to take on more parenting roles. This is a virtue that is fast disappearing in a 'ME-First' society. I am Asian, and it was a standard for earlier chinese families to be large. However, because of the current/ modern cost of living, families no longer do so, and spend all their time and effort looking after 2-3 children, max. Some who has fewer would end up having spoilt children, who has been too pampered when they were young and 'exempted' from doing housework. That is a disaster. I have 2 young boys, and even though we can afford them all the things they would, we would not, and I will expect my older boy to take care of his younger bro. It is good when responsibility is given to children cos they can grow and mature from that. Bonding also takes place.

I would think that only a 'me-first' person would say that the older siblings would detest the younger children because of the chores they have to do... once the bond is there, such mentality (i.e. resentment) would disappear.

momma 2 years ago

how do they pay their food bill. let alone housing, electricity,heat,clothing

weirded out 2 years ago

Please God, help this family to dress normally, get proper haircuts, and stop overpopulating this world. Disgusting.

Tanya O 2 years ago

Mckenzie's AUNT JOSIE is younger than her.. Hmmm....

Elaine 2 years ago

I am not a member of an organized religion. I do not know what it means to be a Christian. I do not believe that the world was created 6,000 years ago. I do not agree with some of the beliefs that the Duggars have.

I do believe that they love their children. I believe that the way they live their lives is threatening to some people and that is why some of the posts are so extreme. I don't think the Duggars are against TV, but they are against exposing their children to what is on TV. It seems that every product uses sex to sell - there is a mop that advertises using a song with the phrase "sexy lady" - the Duggars do not want to expose their children to these types of things. No child should be exposed to sexuality in this manner.

Why does it matter whether the girls have long hair or don't wear pants? Is our society so fixated on appearance that we cannot look beyond that to see what the person is really like?

19 Kids and Counting is a show that presents a loving family with parents that are doing their best to raise mature, responsible, happy, giving children. What is wrong with this?

Why are people so upset with a show that has no violence, no sex and no shallow, materialistic characters?

mac 2 years ago

Is anywhere else aware that these stupid people have been going to conferences out of state for a week at time while their sick baby lies in a hospital.They are running around chasing fame while sweet little baby fights for her life.And this is our mother of the year.They haven't been in Little Rock all this whole time they have running to conferences in different states giving speeches and smiling for pictures.In fact one which both Jimbob and Michelle attended in WI was just a week after remitting Josie back to the Hospital.

Em 2 years ago

I think you should just leave the duggars alone. They don't deserve to be put down because they have a nice family that can get along. and Hey, we don't know EVERYTHING that goes wrong on the show. How about if all the parents on here go and help there kids and not worry so much about someone's family you don't even know. Go do something nice for your family, instead of just watching there show and criticizing them. I like the show, i think there all nice, and a very fun family. The girls don't need to cut there hair, if they don't want to. im sure there mom isn't telling them to keep it a certain way. You don't know any of them personally. But, honestly i do think that 19 kids is enough., I mean there gonna have alot of grandchildren.

Nate 2 years ago

Remember, God only had two children, Adam and Jesus. Even He knew when to stop.

sissy 2 years ago

what's better: the duggars paying their own way or all the unmarried girls in the US popping out children on a regular basis who are then promptly placed on welfare. these girls have babies just to get that "check" from the state government. at least the duggars support their own children. If you can feed em,don't breed em.

sissy 2 years ago

apparently "paulie" really loves and is fascinated with the duggars, why else would he spend 2 years talking about them.

cheyenne 2 years ago

Did else watch the episode where the 911 call was made Michelle claimed to be breast feeding her baby yet they claimed the child's problem was due fortifiers added to the milk.How could the fortifiers be added to the milk if she feeding directly from the breast?And why she would she require her daughter Jill to in the room for her baby's 2 A.M. feeding?Can't she handle it alone?You notice there is no film footage until the call is being made and her daughter Jill is making the call.Know what does make sense is this women passed off her baby's 2 A.M. feeding to her daughter who woke her up when something was wrong.Even Michelle's girls commented about how clam she was her baby's heart rate was dropping.Her daughter's Jinger and Jill were terrified.And once again when see the scene in the hospital its Jill not Michelle rocking and cuddling her sister.Michelle stop passing the buck take care of your own children.

Tracy 2 years ago

These are a disgusting people. Anybody who supports them supports ignorance, misogyny, religious oppression, theocracy & any number of idiotic ideologies.

Lisa 2 years ago

Can we say "hypocrites?" The Duggars are ridiculous ones! I don't even know where to start! If Michelle doesn't want to take the pill that's her decision, but have they ever heard of condoms or pulling out? Those children are using up the world's resources not to mention they are brainwashed robots of their clan. Listen to one of the littler kids talk and they are merely regurgitating the effed-up drivel their parents teach them. And blanket training? What are they, cattle? Those of you that thinks there people are so freaking wonderful ought to read "House of Secrets" by Lowell Cauffiel and you'll see where this whole thing is going (well, with the exception of the murders, that is!)

michinfig 2 years ago

The Duggars? The ones making a creditable attempt to single-handedly start a global famine?

Caden Canyon 2 years ago

I bet the creeeepy cult family, the Duggars ('Gazillion Kids & Counting' on TLC) will do this. I can see Cletus Duggar one day SNAPPING and doing a Jim Jones (Jonestown tragedy) thing. And I can just picture Lurlene Duaggar handed out the tainted Kool-Aid. A bunch of SICK FREAKS, those Duggars are and Mr. Duggar is a ticking timebomb. A megalomaniac like that just CRAVES attention. He'll pull a Branch Dravidian if it gets him: A.) attention and B.) martyorism ...The dude practically ECHOS David Koresh right now! TMZ, let this Juan-Carlos dude rot in prison, since there's where he's going inevitably, and DO something about Jim Bob!

Alice 2 years ago

You poor people, trotting out your tired complaints against the Duggars.

Living well will be their best revenge. Except they don't seem very vengeful...

michinfig 2 years ago

Yeah, tell it to the planet.

dawna 2 years ago

i just want to know how much money these people are making in media appearances. also...if TV and the internet is so bad, far to bad to allow their children "too much of it" why in the hexk do they rely on US to watch a Duggar marathon on TLC??? isnt it us that is making them successful? us, evil doing, boy kissing, internet loving, sinners?? i think i read in a book somewhere that god isnt too keen on hypocrites either....hm..

Meg 2 years ago

I am a Mormon and I am Christian.

Harrler 2 years ago

Personally I think people who bad mouth t.v. shows on a website have no life. I give the duggs props for working hard to create a loving, caring lifestyle for themselves. Its sad that who ever wrote the "report" above thinks its normal to beat kids. I hope u never become a parent. The Duggars may be over populating the world(as good people) while if someone ever has the misfortune to spawn a child with you, you'll be populating prison. So good luck with that sweetheart

Grace 24 months ago

In a world full of disgusting reality shows that focus on every kind of disgusting and filthy oddity, I find the Duggars to be a breath of fresh air. They are self-sufficient, kind, and yes, "normal". For those here that must find fault with a family that relies only on themselves and God, I shudder to think what kind of lives you must lead. I grew up in a family of 10 children and our family truly was disfunctional in many ways, but I wouldn't wish away one moment of my siblings' lives. I admire the Duggars and only wish I could turn the clock back and have the kind of family they have.

punky 24 months ago

This is a show where Michelle is told your younger boys who don't look old enough are outside running with push mower in bare feet and when the camera man suggest they shouldn't to Michelle she just shrugs and says well I think JB must have given them permission but I don't know for sure because they aren't normally allowed to use it and just laughs and avoids it.This a women who allows her 1 year daughter Jordyn to be picked up Johanna who drops her and just shrugs and says well Jordyn is learning to running away from Johanna because she knows when she picks her up she will drop her.And allows little Jordyn to body slammed into a wagon while JB sits doing nothing.She passes the responsibility of Josie a micro preemie on to her 18 year old daughter Jill.And those people are so wonderful because?They are accident waiting to happen.

Relrrah 24 months ago

Personally I think people who praise t.v. shows on a website have no life.

edukes 24 months ago

People should be ashamed of some of these comments.

Anonymous 24 months ago

Meh, I don't really know how to think about this...I totally respect their wishes to have a large family, but I agree more with the comments that others have said about adoption...there are already SO MANY unwanted children in the world...if they are so into this 'quiverfull' thing, then why not embrace ALL children, and not just the ones that come from their own genetic line? It seems pretty selfish to me...I'm not saying 'don't have ANY of your own kids', but she's still firin' them out at 43? I would give my body a friggin' BREAK! Plus, I'm not a fan AT ALL of organized religion. It's a dated practice no matter WHAT religion you follow. The fact that there are now MORE people in the world who believe you can't be intimate before marriage, can't use birth control because it's "not what God wants", and the myriad of other creepy religious rules is just further stunting our evolution as a species...this dated belief that "GOD" wants you to to something because if you DON'T, you're going AGAINST HIS WILL is just SAD....give me a BREAK, people. But hey, to each his own. At least she breastfeeds.

michinfig 24 months ago

Self-sufficient? Who built their house?

michinfig 24 months ago

Thanks, Paulie. Well, I will call them self-sufficient when they figure out how to manufacture water from nothing because I do know that in 2015 there will no longer be enough water for everybody on the planet and that as of that date the situation will also be irreversible. Now I don't particularly care how stupid they and others like them choose to be but I will care a whole lot when there is no longer enough water for me and my (one and only) child to drink...or food either, for that matter.

Rachel 23 months ago

What a stuoid family! Michele Duggar still think that when you nurse a child, you can't get pregnant.They still believe that life on earth began 6000 years ago.Jim Bob tells every one that they support their family by renting properties. Give me a break of his lies! Don't they get paid by the program? and counting their millions all the way to the bank?

Rachel

A 23 months ago

I believe that the duggar family is a wonderful christian family. I think that mrs. duggar is amazing because how patient she is. I greatly respect thier vews.

(exept thier vews about no dancing and absoultly no wine or beer.) Thats what i have to say and what i say about this website is somthing i should not say because God does not like what bad things i am thinking but i am sure he aproves of the Duggar family and i am sure he doesn't approve of this website.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rachel 23 months ago

Michelle...

She is having babies one after the other, while the siblings are taking care of the younger ones. What kind of life is it for the children?

They make millions with this program, I am sure. Now! My question is : other families who will follow there steps...without that kind of income...how will they survive?

Another questtion : they say they buy their clothes and shoes at a thrift store...how come, when they travel, they are all dress with matching shirts and pants? A thrift store don't have 19 matching pants and shirts in different sizes.

Mike 23 months ago

The demeanor of the Duggar parents reminds me of that of middle to upper class pedophiles shown in movies. This patient, compassionate, and loving attitude is over the top, and it must be a facade. As far as all the cult aspects of this family, it is absolutely sickening. They are so fearful and unaccepting of the outside world that they have attempted to create their own world in their home. Their beliefs are unrealistic and highly excessive. This is a ploy to keep their TV show and all the income associated with that. They are disgusting.

Rachel 23 months ago

And J.B. who carries his can of hairspray, even in Guatamala?Ridiculous

Thyquest 23 months ago

Talking about religious non sense, I would rather have TLC follow the Westboro Baptist Church members. That would certainly be more entertaining to watch. However, I have to admit that watching an idiot, full of stereotype, taking his kids from "Chicken Lips, Arkansas" to South America and trying to teach the local kids to say: "Mucho Gracias Senor" for bringing plastic toys made by under paid employees in China is also enjoyable... to a certain extend. But you have to give it to TLC, they know how to tap into a very lucrative audience: the religious zealot!

James 23 months ago

The family is full of over zelous christians. I am a christian myself but they fo overboard. Not allowing there children to watch tv or play on the computer is stupid.

Having there house considered a church just to avoid taxes is wrong. I would consider that tax evasion.

The children dont get to dress the way a normal child should and they have no friends other then family members. This family is so screwd up.

kay 23 months ago

@edukes - i agree with you, shame on some of ya.

i mean come on, what's all the ruckus about? Wasn't America founded on the basis of God's Word? What's happened now? Look at today's society. The result of today's world is our reality..but is this reality right? Who are we pleasing, ourselves? Or God? Can we honestly answer this question before we spout such judgement.

God bless the Duggars I say, for standing firm to the belief that children are an heritage of God. Don't you recall a lady by the name of Susanna Wesley? She was the youngest of 25 children? Oh, yeah, she didn't change the world no? Without her, would we have great heroes of faith like John and Charles Wesley? Praise the Lord for such daring people!

roddma 23 months ago

And no mention of what having 25 kids does to the body. "Lo children are heritage of the Lord"Quiverfull thrives on some twisted verse from a 2,000 year old book.

roddma 23 months ago

And no mention of what having 25 kids does to the body. "Lo children are heritage of the Lord"Quiverfull thrives on some twisted verse from a 2,000 year old book.

Sandy 23 months ago

The Duggars are a fine example of family, clean living, and supporting one another. I'd like a snapshot of the lives of the children of all the critics to see if they can do a better job. I applaud their adherence to some kind of religion. When this country was based on the ten commandments, we were a happier, less violent, more caring and giving, less "it is all about me" society.

I never had to worry about getting shot in school. As far as the Duggar children being "slaves"........I've seen them have fun and do things with joyful and light hearts. And,unlike so many of today's children, they will grow up to be mature adults who know how to work for what they want and without the sense of entitlement so many of this generation feel so strongly. The Duggars put a lot of work into raising those children. Too many children today are left to fend for themselves.

Heather 23 months ago

it is not wrong to have so many children. they are raising their children based on Biblical morals and values. The U.S.A. has gotten rid of most of the morals and values today! What is so wrong with living by the 10 commandments?... Thou shalt not kill. last time I heard most people don't want others killing... thou shalt not steal. most people don't want things taken from them. Most people have the problem with Thou shalt not have any other gods before me. Everyone wants to live for themselves instead of for the Lord. The Lord was the one that gave us our lives and we can't even to grateful enough to live for him. He sent his only begotten Son to die on the cross for our sins. Most of the parents out there do not want to kill their children especially if it is the only one. There may be times we get upset at them, but no one really wants to kill them. The Lord loved us so much that he was willing to give up his child to save the world and yet most of the people are ungrateful of what they have. I believe that if people don't like what is going on they can either be quiet and mind their own business (because that's not hurting them at all) or they can move out of the U.S.A.! The U.S. was founded on God's principles and standards. Look all over Washington and you can find them. It won't take long to find. But yet we want to pull away from God.... When 911 happened we all wanted help from God. But yet if we are not in distress, we want nothing to do with him. I think that it isn't the Duggars who have the problem... I think that it is society today that refuses to live for our Lord Jesus Christ.

mamacallaway 23 months ago

There is nothing wrong with having as many children as you want. I personally think that the Duggars are continuing to have children to stay in the spotlight. The only thing I believe is wrong about how they are raising their children is the buddy system. It was their decision to have that many children and if they cannot handle taking care of that many children and educating that many children then they need to stop having them. It is not the responsibility of the older children to be a co-parent to the younger children. It is not the responsibility of the older children to show love to the younger ones. Every child needs love and attention from their parents and with 19 kids, 18 of which are still living at home and an infant who was premature, there is not enough time for them to care for each child by themself. It is wrong to put that on the older kids. I also think that if your children are starting to have children then it is probably time to stop having ones of your own. 19 is ENOUGH.

LINDA 23 months ago

i admire her for having 19 babies. true as psalm 127 is i'm certain the Lord didn't mean for one woman to populate the earth.its about time jim-bob & michelle got seperate bedrooms, or at least seperate beds. she needs to learn to just say NO.

jim bob should get a vacestomy 23 months ago

mrs. duggar must have a sweeet as pussy jim bob cant stay away lol they really are digusting i mean they fuck and breed she gives birth and leaves it up to the older kids to raise if i was a dugger kid i'd run away from home seriously what kind of life is that and its so creepy the way mrs. duggar is always smiling i guess its from all of the humping they do i wonder does his dick ever get sore i saw this one episode where they have a code word for the boys "nike" that means if their's an attractive woman walking down the street in a tanktop or a mini skirt all the boys should look down at the ground lol i was like are you fucking kidding me this "family" is a cult no doubt about it

jgeebiz 23 months ago

So many are disallusioned by society telling us what we should and should not do. They can not see the beauty of a loving family. To bad for you. You are the one that I feel pity for.

jgeebiz 23 months ago

So many are disallusioned by society telling us what we should and should not do. They can not see the beauty of a loving family. To bad for you. You are the one that I feel pity for.

Need2Read333 23 months ago

@Kay...actually, no, the country was NOT founded on "the word of God", and I am soooo tired of the misinformed and ill-educated amongst us who continue to spew that myth. But that's all besides the point. These people are child abusers. Perhaps not in the traditional sense of inflicting physical pain on the child(ren), but having children for collection purposes is morally wrong. It is simply not possible, regardless of how many hours one DOESN'T work, to really KNOW all of your children when there are that many. The older children did not choose to become parents before they were ready, but they are cast into that role because their selfish "breeders" will simply not take emotional or supportive responsibility for their procreation. Being a parent does NOT simply mean conceiving and giving birth...it means being there, day after day, year after year, NOT just until you can pawn your child off on a spouse...and getting to know your child's life and personality. It means allowing your child to live his/her OWN life, not simply exist as a parent clone. We should not have children for OUR benefit, but for them to have life and to live it. It is sadistic to continue to breed, to expect all these INDIVIDUALS to adhere to ridiculous rules of playing parent to younger siblings, and to delude oneself into thinking that one (the "parents") are heroes for continuing to have irresponsible sex. Shame on them and shame on anyone who supports them and/or their show. And the ultimate shame on them for continuing to promote and advocate for a dogmatic belief system created by ignorant goat-herders thousands of years ago.

Amanda 23 months ago

The Duggars are NOT Pentacostal, they are Independent Baptists. I know this because I'm an Independent Baptist and my church adheres to ALL of the Duggar's beliefs.

While I don't necessarily believe homeschooling is absolutely necessary, the majority of children in my church are homeschooled.

Most Independent Baptists have absolutely nothing against birth control. However, the Duggars, based on their experience with a miscarriage most likely caused by birth control, have decided not to use it.

Independent Baptists believe women should wear long skirts because the when the Bible refers to women's dress it stresses modesty and consistently refers to women's clothing as "long and flowing." It also states that a man and a woman's dress should be distinctly different.

Independent Baptist men typically do not where shorts because they are also called to dress modestly. Biblically, the thigh is considered nakedness because when God clothed Adam and Eve he clothed them below the knee.

Independent Baptists also base their dress and actions on the Bible verse (I can't cite it at the moment) "Be ye not conformed to the world..." Therefore, to stand out as distinctly born-again Christians, the Duggars and other Independent Baptists dress differently and also limit television viewing, music choices, etc.

As far as the courtship process is concerned, there are several Independent Baptists who do save their first kiss for their wedding day. However, that's not as common as one might think. While any form of physical affection is frowned upon by the church before marriage, it's very common that couples do engage in physical affection and occasionally sex. The church does promote more of a prayer atmosphere than a dating atmosphere when choosing a marriage partner. They believe you should pray and seek God's will for your marriage partner rather than just "date around."

Based on their belief system they are more accepting than you might imagine. I, a liberal Presbyterian, began dating an Independent Baptist 3.5 years ago. A year ago after I accepted Christ, I converted to and began attending an Independent Baptist church. We attend church together, we've been dating a long time, but we are adults and are treated as such (I'm 22, he's 24). While we don't display affection in church and we have abstained from sex, it is expected that we do engage in loving affectionate physical contact outside the walls of the church.

I was raised in a liberal, highly educated family in a church on the campus of Princeton University. Five years ago I would have found this family creepy. However, now that I associate with and am an Independent Baptist I have the utmost respect for them. I've realized through my study of the Bible and my association with them that they are truly trying to live like God intended, while helping to lead others to Christ. I can honestly say that the people I attend church with are some of the best people I have ever met. Judging people for trying to live the best way they know how is not a good practice. I know this because I used to be that judemental person. It's freeing not to be. I encourage others to look at the Duggars not as weird or creepy, but as excellent examples of Christians who raise thoughtful, caring, compassionate, productive, and overall good children.

mcccmar45 23 months ago

I dont know what I think of this bunch- they ARE strange in their relationships to one another - and they have too many kids- this last baby was born with many physical and mental problems - see you roll the dice often enough and the odds DO turn against you - I dont think that this has anything to do with faith - they are just odd people

Amy 23 months ago

I respect the Duggar family. I think most people are just jealous of their success. It is a person's right to have a family as large as they want. As long as their children are healthy, happy and well taken care of then what's the problem? Both of the parents worked extremely hard to get where they are today. Michelle is an excellent mother and has been able to do things that most mom's never will. I know they are not average but that doesn't mean their family is "wrong". The children are well educated and very ready to live in the real world when they become adults. They are also not exposed to things like violence or sex. I don't see why so many people hate them. It takes talent, courage and extreme dedication to achieve what they have.

legaleagle 23 months ago

If you are going to post publicly as least use proper grammar. Your sentence "They are so icky. Always smiling and patient, with 19 kids yet. Apparently, they are supporting themselves and their children and are not on the public dole" is a frament. Always smiling and patient, with 19 kids yet, doesn't make sense read it.

SHIRLEY ZIEPFEL 23 months ago

I DARE YOU TO PUT THIS FAMILY DOWN. YOU ONLY WISH YOU HAD A FAMILY LIKE THEY DO. YOU NEED TO GO TO CHURCH ONCE IN AWHILE AND FIND OUT WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU PUT THIS FAMILY DOWN, I ONLY WISH MY FAMILY COULD BE HALF OF WHAT THEY HAVE. THEY ARE RAISING THEIR CHILDREN THEY WAY EVERY FAMILY SHOULD BE RAISED. THIS JUST SHOW'S YOU THAT YOU ARE RAISING YOURS THE WRONG WAY AND PROUBALLY DO NOT EVEN BELEIVE IN GOD. THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, YOU JUST DONT HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO EVEN TRY. THEY ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT EVERY FAMILY SHOULD BE. THEY HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR EACH OTHER AND DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THEIR CHILDREN YOU ONLY WISH YOU HAVE WHAT THEY DO. YOU WILL FIND OUT ONE DAY JUST HOW GREAT THEY ARE DOING. I WISH I COULD HAVE DONE JUST HALF THE JOB. MAYBE YOU SHOULD START GOING TO CHURCH AND YOU MIGHT LEARN A THING OR TWO WHICH YOU NEED TO DO. GOD HAS BLESSED THEM AND THEY ARE 100% DOING THE RIGHT THING EXECPIALLY WITH THEIR GREAT CHILDREN. EVERY ONE SHOULD BE THAT LUCKY !!! GOD BLESS THEM IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM. YOU SHOWED HOW NOT TO HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTHY TO TIE ANY OF THEIR SHOES(PROUBALLY DONT EVEN KNOW HOW) YOU SHOWED YOUR TRUE COLOR'S. EVERY ONE SHOULD BE AS LUCKY AS THEY ARE BY THE GRACE OF GOD.

SHIRLEY ZIEPFEL 23 months ago

I DARE YOU TO PUT THIS FAMILY DOWN. YOU ONLY WISH YOU HAD A FAMILY LIKE THEY DO. YOU NEED TO GO TO CHURCH ONCE IN AWHILE AND FIND OUT WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU PUT THIS FAMILY DOWN, I ONLY WISH MY FAMILY COULD BE HALF OF WHAT THEY HAVE. THEY ARE RAISING THEIR CHILDREN THEY WAY EVERY FAMILY SHOULD BE RAISED. THIS JUST SHOW'S YOU THAT YOU ARE RAISING YOURS THE WRONG WAY AND PROUBALLY DO NOT EVEN BELEIVE IN GOD. THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, YOU JUST DONT HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO EVEN TRY. THEY ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT EVERY FAMILY SHOULD BE. THEY HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR EACH OTHER AND DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THEIR CHILDREN YOU ONLY WISH YOU HAVE WHAT THEY DO. YOU WILL FIND OUT ONE DAY JUST HOW GREAT THEY ARE DOING. I WISH I COULD HAVE DONE JUST HALF THE JOB. MAYBE YOU SHOULD START GOING TO CHURCH AND YOU MIGHT LEARN A THING OR TWO WHICH YOU NEED TO DO. GOD HAS BLESSED THEM AND THEY ARE 100% DOING THE RIGHT THING EXECPIALLY WITH THEIR GREAT CHILDREN. EVERY ONE SHOULD BE THAT LUCKY !!! GOD BLESS THEM IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM. YOU SHOWED HOW NOT TO HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE AND YOU ARE NOT EVEN WORTHY TO TIE ANY OF THEIR SHOES(PROUBALLY DONT EVEN KNOW HOW) YOU SHOWED YOUR TRUE COLOR'S. EVERY ONE SHOULD BE AS LUCKY AS THEY ARE BY THE GRACE OF GOD.

A Bay 23 months ago

The author of this article is so misguided. We have a constitutional right of freedom of religion, similarly to your right to give your opinion. This family is by no means stereotypical, but they are not bad people. The forefathers of the American Constitution were defending these individuals rights to have has many children as they wanted and to practice a religion of their choice. They were also defending your right to have an opinion about it. Controlling peoples ability to have children is communism and inhumane. I assume, you like many of America's citizenry, have too much free-time right now and have the ability to offer your opinion because you are out of work! Maybe a decade long economic depression is just what America needs? There are far too many people in our country who have lived way to comfortably for too long with very little respect for why they have it. What have you done for America to make us value your opinion over the Duggar's right to freedom? May I suggest that you spend sometime reading American and world history. I fear that you, like so many of the uneducated masses, may be in for a rude economic awakening which has been commonplace for the other 5,700,000,000 on a daily basis for the last 70 years because of your inability to think!

Alice Griffith 22 months ago

Duggar family--keep on keeping on! Living well is what you do best. Bless you for giving God the glory and the credit.

It's hard to hear the criticism, but it's alot harder to deal with troubled kids, so just be thankful and stick with your plan. Seems to be working out for ya?!!! God always blesses those who honor Him.

Time will tell how functional and happy your kids are. I have every expectation they will do fine, and continue in their faith. People will always resent Christians, even Christ warned of that, but that doesn't mean you stop living for Him. The things that make you so easy to admire, also make you easy to pick on. It's just so telling about the people doing the commenting, that's all.

Love and hugs for you all, and especially baby Josie,

bestmomalive 22 months ago

They are not parents. They had sex and squatted out a few too many kids. I am a REAL parent. I am the one helping my children brush their teeth, draw their baths, wipe their tears, read to them, tuck them in at night, and make their breakfast-lunch-dinner. I do it all, not my older child who turned into my built in nanny. Call it the buddy system if you want, it is someone else taking care of your child you decided to bring into this world, free of charge.

The odds are stacked against this family; they already had their last one born with special needs, gee wonder who gets to raise that one? Anyhow it won’t be long before we all hear about one of the kids going psychotic. I am so sick of people using religion to do things.

Yes anyone is free to breed as much as they want. Yet I am sure the same family/people who refuse birth control, and feel the need to be as blessed with as many kids as “god” allows. Is the same family/people who will neuter and spays their animals. Apparently god said to limit animal breeding. I guess a breathing life form is only valuable if human.

Shay 22 months ago

I love the Duggar family. What i think is funny though, is that everyone is saying that the older children are slaves. I have one sister...ONE...and I was the nanny. at 14 years old no less. but I loved it! I loved taking care of my sister and helping my mother. I helped the laundry and cooking and cleaning. I always wished I had a big family. When I start my own family I hope I am blessed with a large family

Stephanie H. 22 months ago

Big family or not, people who are religious enough to the point they are rather robotic are creepy. The mother's personalty is so babyish, that is NOT normal for a grown adult woman.

The constant reproduction just makes the situation worse.

Ana 22 months ago

I try to stay middle of the road but it seems to me that there's a double standard when it comes to judging people. I don't see why we are analyzing the Duggars' way of life. If that's how they want to live then they have a right to it. It's their home. Non-Christians play this card all the time. If things were reversed and a Christian family were analyzing a non-Christian family, then folks would ardently cry "Foul!,"...they'd declare the Christians to be a judgmental, intrusive lot whose views are in a vacuum. Christians are told all the time to mind their own business and chill. I was really inspired by President Obama who appeared on The View yesterday. Like him, I want to like all people, regardless of their lifestyles. Yes, I think the Duggars are hunky-doory and happy-go-lucky and out of touch with current events but I don't see how it's our business. Just don't watch the show. Personally, I find 18 Kids and Counting to be a lot less offensive than Flavor of Love and so on. For some reason, I feel good energy when I watch their show, unlike a lot of "mindless entertainment," as some would call it. Deep down, I want to like the Duggars, just as I want to like other non-traditional families(same sex parents, families where both parents are little people). The Duggars are not odd-just an anomaly. To come to the Duggars defense, we are seeing a Christian family that is actually pleasant, nonhypocritical, consistent and--dare I admit--likeable and we are blasting them. My last point: I agree with Amanda up top in that the Duggars explain that a great many of their family practices are personal convictions: not using birth control, having a quiver full of children, homeschooling, being debt free, not wearing pants, not wearing shorts, and so forth. If others are rallying for freedom of conviction to abort, be gay, keep a gat in their crib or whatever else then we owe the Duggars the right to be, well, themselves...however weird or creepy we might think they are. After all, lots of people find homosexuality, abortion, pornography, astronomy, arranged marriages, polygamy and much more "weird" and "creepy" so I'm disappointed that the author of this post used these words so loosely. Ironically, I'm gonna quote the Bible: before we can take the speck out of other people's eyes, we ought to take the beam out of ours. In other words, chill with the judging and double standard, y'all. I live in a big city where there are little pockets of similarly conservative, hyper-modest, insular and out-of-touch-with-the-world communities: Jewish and Muslim in particular. I'm wondering if said Jewish and Muslim families gained a reality show if they'd be as controversial; I doubt it. We have to ask ourselves if it's really the Duggars that we have a problem with, or the JESUS behind the Duggars that we're not feeling...Let's call a spade a spade...Are we calling the Duggars intolerant while we're cloaked in our own intolerance?

Rachel 22 months ago

They're pretty profoundly judgemental of everyone else. I have no idea why anyone shouldn't be critical of the negative impact their chosen lifestyle has on their children. Considering the free ride religion and religious people get to shit on everyone and impose their beliefs on others, it's fair game. It's not intolerant because no one is telling the Duggars they have to stop. In contrast, the Duggars actively try to stop others from engaging in behaviours which have no impact on them but they oppose anyways like consuming alcohol. That is intolerance.

The Duggars provide their grown sons with opportunity to work, get married and have babies although their sons will never obtain basic education due to their having denied their children that. They provide their grown daughters with nothing, which is evident considering none of the girls have ever accomplished anything for themselves and why they're dependant on their parents. Their daughters are the primary caregivers of their small children. The girls have no choice in this matter. They have no opportunity to do anything else nor are they exposed to anything else. To say they do it because they love it is absurd.

They have more children than there is time in a day to give individual love and attention to. If you think that's OK, fine. I think kids deserve better than that.

Rachel 22 months ago

And, frankly, saying "It's all good because they aren't on welfare" is a joke. Money doesn't raise and love children.

They don't pay taxes on their home by claiming it as a ministry. This is called fraud. Furthermore, the money they do make is from exploiting their children from the time they are fetuses on television over the last ten years.

Jesus must be very impressed.

Rachel 22 months ago

"karen 11 months ago

ok, to all the people who are hating on the duggars you are just jealous of what they have and you are proablly in so much debt and hate your own life i love my life and im expecting my 3rd child at 23 and married and i live fine i live acording to Gods will and im so happy and rich bc of that i don't thik ill have 18 kids and im not saying anyone should but why do you care what they do is it hurting you personally no, i didn't think so at least they take care of there kids which is more than i can say for you haters you pobablly spend what 2 hrs a day with yours and a nanny raises them thats messed up so stop hating and get over yourself"

This is such typical American Christian behaviour. Judge, judge, judge, judge, judge. The arrogance is overwhelming.

I actually really like my life and would hate to have yours or the Duggars. I want a career and grade A education, neither of which people who are breeding to excess in their early twenties have. I’m not in any debt because I’m financially responsible and smart. I’m giving my kids the benefit of not coming into the world prior to my being fully established and mature enough to parent them. Kids deserve to be more than an experience of their parents. Unlike the Duggars, I’ll actually be bothered to care for them once they show up, despite your unfounded judgement everyone that opposes the Duggars’ hyper-reproduction lets nannies raise their kids (which is exactly what the Duggars do, yet according to you it’s OK when they do it. Just not anyone else.)

The Duggars don’t care for their kids. They spend no time each day with most of their children. Their kids raise their kids. The kids have no choice in this matter as they are absolutely dependant on their parents. They have no credentials or life skills. Their parents gave them none. Yet you’re whinging about other people letting nannies raise their kids. This is called hypocrisy. It comes up in the Bible a number of times. Didn’t you claim to live in accordance with that particular book?

Pretty ridiculous to boast about your own life and riches followed by telling others to get over themselves. I’d encourage you to take your own advice (and actually read the book you pretend to live in accordance with.)

May 22 months ago

What bothers me about the Duggars is the way they segregate the kids by gender. In an episode when two of the older girls were going to make a long trip, the dad took care of the oil and had only the little boy help, but didn't show any of the girls how to do the same things for a car. Then it cut to the mom saying that it so nice that her husband is teaching the boys what they need to know. But what about the girls? This kind of thinking enforces women's dependency on men and ignorance. It's horrifying to see. The girls are obviously being taught to be housewives (nothing wrong with being a housewife when you're taught that you have other options) and nothing else. Not okay.

SOS 22 months ago

I think its HILARIOUS that this article calls this family "creepy"

You wanna talk creepy, lets talk creepy.

Broken apart families,Fathers that abuse their children and their wives, pedophiles who pray on innocents, abandoned and neglected familes. Oh and this list goes on and on. Just turn on your television and you will see all types of CREEPY. And here we all are, debating over a family whether they're creepy or not. Patheticcccc.

Truth 2U 22 months ago

Why do soooo many people NOT understand that God is so wonderful, when you really KNOW Him!!

Things DO seem weird in contrast to the way most people live in this world. God is supernatural, and what you are seeing in the Dugger family IS different, because they live to please God and believe His book. Real believers living out their faith pleasing God does seem weird. It IS unbelievable, and always will be to a person who hasn't made a real decision to know Him! The more wonderful people who really understand their purpose in this world, will see things start to work like they should, and see blessings they can never explain. I know what its like and it is wonderful. Seek and you shall find. The more the merrier! Happiness at its best.

Boston905 22 months ago

While waiting in my doctor's office this week, I picked up a People magazine (May 2010)which had an article about the medical problems of the youngest Duggar. It was truly horrendous reading but not more so than this part of the article: "“I don’t know… it’s possible,” Michelle says simply, when asked if she might already be pregnant." Un-freaking believable. Baby #19 was born weighing a little over a pound with horrific medical problems and this nut job is saying she could possibly be pregnant with baby #20?????

As I posted months ago on this site, this is not about "faith". The Duggars are just a pair of selfish homo sapiens procreating at a totally irresponsible rate and then escaping all accountability for their actions by stating that God is really the one in charge.

It is sickening the way they exploit their children on television ~ especially when I believe it is being done as a means of proselytizing their "faith". I wonder what TLC pays them for each episode? How do they justify accepting money from an entity they believe to be evil?

Bree 22 months ago

It's a shame that so many people frown upon the Christian lifestyle. Many of the opinions expressed on this page are biased to the modern way of life where believing in Christ is sexist, creepy, unrealistic, but having faith in anything aside from Christ is 100% acceptable, in fact, it is embraced.

The Duggars are not perfect, but they are clearly striving to live a life through Jesus, and they're doing very well! It is their choice to raise their children the way that they do and let's pray that they have enough time and love to go around, but whether or not they do it's not our business to direct them. For those who choose to judge them I ask how you might feel if someone judged the way you choose to parent? How would you feel if someone judged you as harshly as you judge the Duggars?

There is not one single person who occupies this Earth that hasn't made a mistake. We are not perfect and so please, before you judge others, think about how you could be judged. If there is a God, what would he have to say about you?

Twinkle 22 months ago

I just saw the most recent Duggar show and Michelle looks VERY pregnant and she kept holding 'things' in front of her. IS she pregnant? It's not like she had a ton of 'baby weight' because she was only five months three weeks pregnant when she delivered her 19th and now she is QUITE large. I noticed from previous years, it didn't seem to take her long to lose her weight - although she DID get up in the middle of the night to do laundry before they moved to the large house they are now in. This family needs prayer, not ridicule.

Casey 21 months ago

Paulie,

It is hypocritical of you to criticize someone for being "not nice" and yet all you're doing in this article is making fun of people and criticizing them for things like "smiling", "being patient" and "having children".

It is very sad that your obvious hatred of Christianity and God has led you to be so hateful of people who have never done anyone wrong, and who are not doing anything wrong.

I'm praying for you. Your hatred has blinded you to the reality and love of Jesus Christ, who died for your sins.

Casey 21 months ago

@Boston905,

Sir (or maam), this is ABSOLUTELY about faith. As in, people in America have the freedom to live out their religion and raise their children the way they choose.

All 19 of the Duggar children are healthy, including the recent preemie Josie, thank God. I'm sure you'll be glad to know that. Thankfully in America people don't have the right to tell others how many children they can have.

As far as the Duggars being "selfish homo-sapiens", I can assume you are not an unselfish cyborg or a selfless alien from another planet. The only people who are selfish in terms of having children are those who would sacrifice their own children (abortion) so they can have more time to watch reality television and make fun of it.

The fact is that God IS is charge of procreation, whether or not you acknowledge that simple fact. The Duggars acknowledge it and they've proven that a faithful family can have 19 kids, not be on welfare, and raise healthy, mature children who run their own businesses by age twenty and are nothing but helpful to society.

To the people criticizing the Duggars: what were you and your children doing by age twenty? If you were rich you were getting drunk at some college. If you were poor you were stuck behind a cash register or stuck in a warehouse. The Duggars are successful and earned enough to take care of over a dozen children way before they had a reality tv show, which is only made on their terms because it does not hide their faith, as they agreed.

You are all very hateful because you don't have the happiness and success the Duggars have. It is just like Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel just because Abel was good, and Cain was evil. It is that simple. You guys hate the Duggars because they do things the right way, they obey God, and they profit from it in life, and you can't stand that. I'd say you were green with envy and red with hatred. You guys need people like the Duggars to pray for you and show you how to live life and serve God properly, but unfortunately you'd just rather waste your lives watching reality tv, making fun of it, then yelling at your children for messing up your fun. Sad.

Casey 21 months ago

There is just more and more confusion the more I read this page. Paulie, you said this:

"Rachel, they are judgmental. The day I developed a distaste for the kids was when I saw the kids rolling their eyes and making fun of a waiter that was trying to be a little friendly with them. They were rude and snotty. So despite all those Christian values, they are not welcoming to those that are not just like them."

Paulie, you called the Duggars "judgmental", even as you judge them. You called them "rude and snotty", even as you make fun of them in a rude and snotty way and on top of that you accuse them of things they never did. Then you pick an incident that never happened, where they supposedly made fun of a waiter? I've seen every episode of this show, that incident has never happened, you are actually resorting to lying to try to make these innocent people look bad.

And for the record, Jesus did indeed snicker at people- he snickered at the Pharisees who thought they had the right to judge other people's faith, like you're trying to judge the Duggars for here. Why did you put this blog specifically in the "Christianity, the Bible and Jesus" category? Because you want to judge Christians, that's why. Maybe you should actually read the Bible before claiming to know anything about Jesus Christ and Christianity, you know nothing about it and you are making up stories about innocent people because of your petty hatred toward Christians.

debra 21 months ago

Bree said: "For those who choose to judge them I ask how you might feel if someone judged the way you choose to parent? How would you feel if someone judged you as harshly as you judge the Duggars?" But, others did judge the way I parented and so what? The reason we judge the Duggars so harshly is because they chose to put

themselves in the public eye. We have every right to examine their lifestyle, teaching and religious belief to see if they measure up to what they proclaim to believe in. They don't. Ma and Pa are egotistical, phony, money grubbing, child exploiting idiots.

Casey said: "Maybe you should actually read the Bible before claiming to know anything about Jesus Christ and Christianity, you know nothing about it and you are making up stories about innocent people because of your petty hatred toward Christians." I've probably read the Bible more times than you, Casey, as I used to be a Christian but gave it up to keep my sanity. Go ahead and read the Bible with a notepad and pen in one hand to take notes of all the places the Bible contradicts itself. Read Bart Ehrmans books and see if you can refute anything he says about why christianity isn't to be believed. I know there are some good christian people out there, but the Duggars are not one of them. The Bible says to give up everything you own and yet not one christian has ever done that. Why not?

Casey 21 months ago

"debra", really?:

"I know there are some good christian people out there, but the Duggars are not one of them. The Bible says to give up everything you own and yet not one christian has ever done that. Why not?"

The fact that you think the Duggars are bad shows that you actually are still insane. The fact that you think the Bible tells everyone to give uo everything they own shows you didn't understand whatever of the Bible you claim to have read, because the Bible doesn't say that.

If you think it's fine for you to judge people, then don't criticize people for being judgmental. That's the hypocrisy of anti-Christs- you don't want Christians to use proper judgment but atheists get to judge Christians all day long.

The Duggars' lives measure up to their beliefs and everyone knows it, that's why Christians love them and atheists hate them. What about your beliefs or lack thereof? Are you a good person now that you hate God? Obviously you are not. How's that for judging people who put themselves in the limelight?

Basically it doesn't matter what people like you and Paulie think of Christians, you are definitely not better than them, you sure as heck are not better than the Duggars, and that is why you hate them, and that is why you hate God. If you truly learned about God (you obviously didn't understand the Bible) you wouldn't hate Him. Or maybe you would, but that would be your own problem, not the Duggars.

Casey 21 months ago

To all the haters who will undoubtedly view this page in the future, since it is for some reason showing up 8th in Google searches for the Duggars, just shorten your narrow-minded hateful and hypocritical responses to this:

"I hate Jesus Christ, Christians and Christianity, period."

Now think for a second if you replaced the word "Christianity" with something like "Islam" or "homosexuality" and you can see before you even respond to this silly blog that you are basically a hateful hypocrite and you would be better off saving your breath until you have something intelligent to say.

Natalie 21 months ago

have a serious problem with the Duggar family. They claim to be Christian, and they claim that they are doing the Lord's will. WHATEVER! God would not want them to have a home full of children that never get anyone one on one attention and love from their parents! God would not want her to have kids for money! Now that they have had their 19th child, a baby that almost died and was in the hospital for almost a YEAR after being born, they want to endanger more children and have more babies? Gross! And Cruel! Michelle Duggar, you ought to be ashamed of yourself exploiting your babies the way you are! Especially when there are plenty of women in the world who would give anything to be able to have just ONE baby. Your day will come. You will be Judged. How can you even think about having more babies when the 19th child you had almost DIED? ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. You are running a CHILD MILL and you aren't going to be satisfied until your next baby dies or is born deformed are you? Shame on you and Jim Bob. Shame on TLC for giving you all that money just to have more kids and put more lives in danger, and shame on the authorities in Arkansas for not taking away every one of your children!

Natalie 21 months ago

No they are creepy because they are running a child mill. All they care about is having more and more babies and getting more and more money and donations. It's stupid. Others have mentioned that these kids are fed and clothed. Okay big whoop. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't be taken away from their parents for neglect! I am talking about emotional neglect. I am talking about attention and being properly socialized. These children have some nasty surprises in store for them when they do leave the nest.

Casey 21 months ago

Paulie?:

"I didn't say a word about Christians or the fact that they are. I don't care what religion they are...they are still creepy as a whole, as a family. I didn't say they were creepy because they are Christians."

Then why did you specifically put this blog in the "Religion, Christianity, the Bible and Jesus" category?

You can't stop lying, can you?

That's the difference between the Duggars and their critics. The Duggars do not lie, their critics are liars who are jealous that they know how to properly raise children, and also they hate Christianity and don't even have the courage to admit it.

I know exactly what you are saying, message received: "I hate Christians". That's why you're still falsely accusing them of "exploiting their children". Give it a rest, the only child exploiting going on is when you revealed how you "scowl, yell and smack your kids".

Here's a tip, instead of hating the Duggars because they're different from all the lame culture you've been brainwashed by, try learning from them how to be a more loving parent. Maybe then you'll put down the reality tv, pay more attention to your kids and stop wanting to "scowl, yell, and smack your kids" (your own words, not mine).

Natalie 21 months ago

No they are creepy because they are running a child mill. All they care about is having more and more babies and getting more and more money and donations. It's stupid. Others have mentioned that these kids are fed and clothed. Okay big whoop. Doesn't mean that they shouldn't be taken away from their parents for neglect! I am talking about emotional neglect. I am talking about attention and being properly socialized. These children have some nasty surprises in store for them when they do leave the nest.

Casey 21 months ago

@Natalie,

"Emotional neglect"? Seriously? Sweetheart, the two oldest kids were running their own businesses by age 20, and the other kids will all be just as successful at the same age. What were you doing at age 21, getting drunk at a bar before getting date raped in order to be "properly socialized"?

The Duggars have sane and decent values, they are more socialized than you are. Seriously, you think you can communicate with people better than the Duggars? You think you have more quantity or more quality friends than the Duggars? Give me a break, go get drunk and do whatever it is you do for your "proper socialization", the Duggars will be enjoying their more and better friends than you as well as their own businesses and better social lives that don't involve drugs and alcohol.

debra 21 months ago

Casey said: "The fact that you think the Bible tells everyone to give uo everything they own shows you didn't understand whatever of the Bible you claim to have read, because the Bible doesn't say that" Oh really? What about the rich man in Lk.18:18-23? You'll probably say Jesus was talking to the rich man and it doesn't apply to you. Same can be said of any scripture so you're out of luck if you try to apply anything in the Bible to anyone other than who Jesus was talking to.

You think you have more quantity or more quality friends than the Duggars? Give me a break, go get drunk and do whatever it is you do for your "proper socialization",

You're a caustic SOB aren't you? I don't think the Duggars are any differant from the Phelps of god hates fags group. both families are run by an overbearing christian father who thinks he's god. Both families force their children to believe fairy tales written in the bible book. Both familes have big familes because god told them too. Both families judge anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do as hell bound. It's just that the Phelps clan live their beliefs while the Duggars don't. Look at the Duggar website. It's full of books etc. for sell.

The Duggars pimp out their children to the highest bidder. I respect a $5.00 whore over those misfits. They know the gravy train is over if they don't keep on producing so Michelle will probably have another one soon. BTW, I'm not the least bit jealous of the Duggars. I've known many large families who didn't pimp out their kids for a few bucks and a few minutes of fame. The kids acted normal too. Not like the robotic Duggar clan acts.

debra 21 months ago

Here are some more scriptures for you Casey about selling all you own if you want to be like Jesus....Lk.12:33;14:33, Mt.6:19,13:22, 19:21-24. I told you I knew the Bible better than you....most atheists do.

Casey 21 months ago

debra,

You didn't write out the Scriptures for a reason, because they don't apply to all people, just as you already made clear. You really don't know the Bible at all. You also said "no one ever gave up everything". How about Abraham? How about all the 12 disciples? That's not even to mention all the Christians throughout history who even gave their very lives for their faith in Christ. Not only do you not know the Bible, you are blind to history.

You want to compare the Duggars to the Phelps and say the Duggars can't do anything to make money, that just further shows your complete ignorance, bias, and hatred of the Duggars.

Continue in your hatred and jealousy of Christians, and see where your genius atheist authors lead you.

debra 21 months ago

Read what I said again, Casey, as you clearly seem to have a bad case of tunnel vision. I didn't write out scriptures to save time and space. Explain Lk.14:33 "So then, none of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions." Either everything Jesus preached is for all Christians, or none of it is. Take your pick but don't be a hypocrite and selectively choose the scriptures you want to believe and participate in. You just won't admit you're wrong which I understand because it takes a lot of courage to admit you're wrong.

"You want to compare the Duggars to the Phelps and say the Duggars can't do anything to make money, that just further shows your complete ignorance, bias, and hatred of the Duggars."

They pimp out their kids for a few bucks. Why can't you see that? Oh, but I forgot, since they call themselves christian it means they can't be criticized. I'll put Richard Dawkins, P Z Meyer or Michio Kaku (sp.), up against John Hagee, Pat Robertson anyday.

debra 21 months ago

Casey said: "You can't stop lying, can you?

That's the difference between the Duggars and their critics. The Duggars do not lie, their critics are liars who are jealous that they know how to properly raise children, and also they hate Christianity and don't even have the courage to admit it."

Unless you admit what I said is true, or show me where I"m wrong, I'll call YOU the liar.

Sorry Paulie, I don't mean to turn this into a Bible study, but Casey dug her own grave and she needs to own up to it.

Casey 21 months ago

Paulie and debra (since you're apparently the same person),

" I was taught to be curious about other peoples and how they live - not to be judgmental." -Paulie/debra

WOW! You are completely delusional. This entire blog and all your comments on it are judgmental! This is the hypocrisy of people who hate Christians- they accuse Christians of being "judgmental" but they are judgmental themselves.

I didn't even read your next 3-4 comments, save your breath. Goodbye.

debra 21 months ago

"I didn't even read your next 3-4 comments, save your breath." Well, there you go again lying about what you do and don't read. Maybe you can't read in the first place.

When you say goodbye do you mean you'll never be back here again, or do you mean goodbye for now? You still didn't answer my question about the biblical passages you choose to ignore. Oh well, it wouldn't be the first, or last time a "christian" couldn't defend their faith.

As far as being judgmental is concerned, it's YOUR bible that says not to judge unrighteously. I don't adhere to your bible so I can judge you when you DON'T adhere to it. And that goes for the money grubbing, child abusing, free lodading Gold digger Duggars.

Jennifer 21 months ago

Sometimes I feel like screaming "for goodness sake, leave them alone!!!" They are not harming anyone, their children will become contributing members of society and they are doing a great job. I personally am nothing like them, I'm a moderate Christian, wear jeans, shorts, tank tops and strappy dresses, and stopped at 3 children. My Christian teenage daughter is dating a wonderful guy who loves Jesus, and they kiss on the cheek, but they are supervised when they are together, although when they are 18 they'll do what they want and I trust them. However, I think the Duggans have every right to be doing what they are doing. They are nurturing their children, feeding them, and not relying on the government to support them. Good for them! Leave them alone!

debra 21 months ago

I'll leave the Duggars alone when they leave me alone. When they are on People magazine I'm forced to look at their faces while in the checkout line. When I'm watching a show I enjoy on TLC, they are on with a commercial for their upcoming show. When I try to watch Today show there they are bragging and bragging about their big family. I see them in the newspaper when I'm trying to read other GOOD articles. Why don't THEY leave me alone? But, you see, they've found their bread and butter and gravy train $ making device of TV, internet and books.

How do you know they aren't relying on govm't for health care, food stamps etc? Do you know for a fact they aren't on the dole? I have no proof either way, but I wonder how they survive on Jims rental property income if Jim doesn't work any other job.

Also, I'll stop complaining about them when Ma and Pa take care of the feeding, diaper changing, bathing, nurturing, book reading, etc. of the young ones who can't do those things for themselves. The older girls are unpaid nannies for all the young ones. For gods sake, they use disposable diapers and their kids walk around in USED shoes. I bet Ma and Pa don't buy used shoes

Brandon 21 months ago

People,

The truth is, the author of this blog is a Jewish woman who does indeed hate Christians and does obsessively follow the show in order to try to find something wrong with the Duggars, which she obviously cannot find.

Based on her revelations of her own family, you can see there is indeed some bitterness and jealousy on her part toward the Duggars, which is unfortunate for her.

So Paulie needs prayer. It probably does no good to cast rebukes and corrections into the face of her and the other critics here. The fact that they continue to watch the show in spite of their hatred for the family is at least a good thing, maybe the Duggars positive influence will reach them somehow.

Brandon 21 months ago

Paulie, I noticed from your previous comments you've had a difficult childhood. You said:

"I did not grow up with a lot of brothers and sisters (one sister, two brothers), but I was given a lot of responsibility."

"My mother wanted 10 children and regretted she only had four. She wanted them because she loved kids. Altogether with my father's marriages, I have 18 siblings."

Could it be that while you belonged to relatively small family (4 kids) but your father had another 14+ kids in a different marriage(s), that maybe you have the same resentment toward the Duggars that you might have toward your larger family of half-siblings? Fourteen siblings from the same dad but different mom(s) is a difficult situation, obviously, that's why God hates divorce, He never meant for there to be step-parents and half-siblings, it creates too much chaos. Could this have been a major source of chaos and confusion in your life, a large family, but only half yours?

Brandon 21 months ago

So now gay atheist men want to rape the Duggars?

Geez louise, the people who hate the Duggars are a little bit out of control.

Colleen 21 months ago

I'm bothered by people who feel the Quiverfull movement means biological children only. You can be Quiverfull through adoption, but I belive the movement puts an extreme emphesis on bio first adoption second which is really sad. Just imagine how many children Jim Bob and Michelle could have saved from a childhood spent in state custody if they decided to 'mix' their family with bio and adopted kids.

Brandon 21 months ago

Colleen, which of their 19 kids would you trade in for an adoptee? The young one who was a preemie? Or maybe one of the boys, we need less boys in America, don't we?

The whole point of the Duggars was not to have a billion kids, they had so many kids because they refuse to use birth control, since they had a miscarriage when Michelle was ON BIRTH CONTROL in her early twenties. So birth control didn't work on them, and not only that but it killed a fetus that was produced even when they were on birth control.

You can understand why they would avoid birth control, right? You can understand them not wanting another dead baby on their hands just because they decided to give in to the world's peer pressure to not have children. Asking the Duggars to adopt on top of having a new child every year is way too much to expect of someone. It comes down to being just another lame accusation (like the one where the oil spill, the so-called hole in the ozone layer, and all other environmental catastrophes, real or imagined, are caused by having children).

rosered 21 months ago

I believe you can't win your way into heaven by having so may children.This family is to christian for me,don't get me wrong I believe in God,but there has to be a time when you separate church and home time.it's like they live in a church .My grandmother had 11 kids, and we are catholic. I can understand having a big family and religion.Our family separated church and home.This family reminds me of a type of Jehovah cult.My question, what are they trying to do? Build the next Noah's Arc and put there kids in it.

Brandon 21 months ago

Paulie, you there?

"Maybe they don't know they are being emotionally neglected."

I think you may have felt emotionally neglected when your dad ran off and had 14+ kids with other wives. This really looks like the reason you hate the Duggars, because you dealt with a large family, but they stole your father away from you.

"Oh, and I didn't blog in a religion category."

This is why someone was calling you a liar, and the story about them making fun of a waiter and him being sad about it (that never happened). This blog is clearly in a religion category called:

"All TopicsReligion and PhilosophyChristianity, the Bible and Jesus"

That was taken directly from the top of this blog's page, so you obviously meant to focus on the religion of this family.

To gay1, seriously, you are the reason atheists and homosexuals can't be taken seriously.

Liz 21 months ago

I recently saw a cover on one of those tabloid magazines with Michelle stating that she wants more children. You already have 19! Wtf, I hope one of these kids rebels in the house. That'd be something to watch. This family makes me sick. Already the 19th baby should have been a warning not to have any more kids!

Colleen 21 months ago

Brandon

I'm not asking the Duggars to 'trade-in' one of their bio kids for an adopted one. These are children not cars! I believe that the Duggars have alot of love and there are many children in state custody who could benefit from that love. I believe that if anyone decides to be Quiverfull, they should pray to God for guidence in their decision to have children, ask God if adoption or being a foster parent is part of His plan for their family. Just because a woman decides not to use birth control that doesn't mean she has to have a baby every year. There is the rhythm method that Catholics use,condoms, and just good old fashioned abstaining from sex. Yes, married couples can say no!

A. Carl 21 months ago

This story is ridiculous, I am not religious nor do I think it is responsible to have this many children. However seeing as they already have, at least they are raising their children in a calm, peaceful and loving environment where life lessons are taught without behaving like what your twisted idea of "normal" is by yelling, smacking or otherwise physically and emotionally abusing children which will ultimately lead to somw pretty f***ed up adults who will pass on this bad behavior to future generations. I do not promote the Duggars way of life, I do not personally beleive in their religion or having so many children, but I ESPECIALLY do not think that anyone should have the attitude that parents should have an attitude even slightly resembling this person who apparently "smacks one of our kids when they had it coming" anybody with this type of attitude towards parenting should have their kids taken away and be locked up.

angel 21 months ago

if brad and angelina can do it, then why can't others do it..!!?!

TORNS 21 months ago

Brandon AND YOU ARE A BIGOT whether someone is gay or atheist doesn't mean that they are not smart or that their point is not valid you need to WAKE UP to YOURSELF this is the 21st century.

A.Carl it is no wonder the country is the way it is with people like you saying that people that hit their kids should be locked up. Maybe if those kids that go around committing crimes were properly disciplined at home they wouldn't get themselves into trouble. It never hurt me to get a clip behind the ear if i did something wrong. Children these days have NO respect for authority because of the lack of discipline you need to crawl back under the rock from which you came.

You all hide behind your religion when it comes to fighting your fights and trying to get your point across if you took away your religion as a defense you would be left speechless.

razor 21 months ago

basically the people who hate on the Duggars are a bunch of narrow minded morons. that explains it all.

Brandon 21 months ago

TORNS,

So someone can beat a kid, thay just can't have more than X amount of kids and raise them to be healthy, respectful and responsible children? Your logic makes no sense.

And did you see what "gay1" said? He is a self proclaimed gay atheist who praises the idea of "raping the Duggar boys". And yet you're criticizing me and someone who doesn't praise child beating. Your values are entirely skewed, that's why religious people need to correct people like Paulie and yourself: you don't have proper values.

Brandon 21 months ago

Colleen,

Married couples can say yes, too. That's their right in a free country, this isn't China where the government can tell people how many children to have. Is that what you want our government to do? Tell people how many kids they're allowed to have?

Critisizing the Duggars for not adopting is a cheap shot, really. Why should the Duggars abstain from sex? Most married couples stop having sex after the third year of marriage. Why begrudge the Duggars their satisfying sex life that they earn from being faithful to each other? (I.e., from Jim Bob not looking at porn and Michelle not reading romance novels and watching soap operas and chick flicks. They are romantically and emotionally faithful to each other only, that's why they still have sex after 25+ years of marriage, and this is something else American "Christians" and others can learn from them.)

Condoms decrease pleasure and are only effective 80% of the time. That's one out of six times the woman has a chance to get pregnant anyway. So-called "birth control" is not what Americans believe it is, they have been brainwashed and propagandized by the racist and genocidal Planned Parenthood for the last 60+ years.

Brandon 21 months ago

Here's the truth about Planned Parenthood, its racist and genocidal agenda, and why they've REALLY been brainwashing Americans about birth control for the last 60+ years:

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

TORNS 21 months ago

Brandon you need to wake up to yourself. Do you believe everything you read on the web, in books, the news or what you see on tv or only what agrees with your religious beliefs? Did you not stop to think that maybe what you are reading and where you are getting your so called "factual" information from is propaganda??? Come back down to reality.

Condoms not only help prevent unplanned and unwanted pregnancies they also help prevent the spread of STD'S and other viruses. And before you start preaching about "if you only have sex with the person you are going to marry you shouldn't have these problems remember people can be unfaithful and before homosexuality became legal married men and women would cheat /explore their feelings with the same sex in secret.

Planned Parenthood is there for people who need help and have no where else to turn they are for the most part trained medical professionals that have spent years on their education specialising in helping people that would for the most part be left without anyone to turn to.

You are truly the one who is brainwashed

TORNS 21 months ago

Brandon

1/ I never said what he said was right all I am saying is that you can not label the entire gay and the entire atheist community as people whose points are not valid.

2/ I didn't say that beating your child is acceptable I said that children need discipline like a smack every now and then as sometimes just saying "billy that is naughty soplease don't do it again" is not enough to get the point through.

3/ I have never put a limit on how many kids I think the duggars should have and if you had read some of my post you would see that I am merely concerned for the womans health from a medical point of view. If you knew anything about modern medicine you would know that it is not recommended that a woman have anymore then 4 c-sections in their life and that it is recommended that a women wait atleast 2 years between a c-sec birth to fall again as if they don't it increases the risk of the uterus abrupting during the pregnancy and this can case death then who would be left looking after the children????

4/ The duggars are also irresponsible as a medical professional myself it is widely known that you should not expose micro premmies to harsh lights such as those from a t.v. film crew until after the original due date and the duggars did the complete opposite.

5/ You don't know who I am so don't assume that my values are not proper or are skewed. It is people like you that make people like myself leave the church I use to belong to as you have no gray areas it is all black and white where you are concerned. I have a reality check for you the world is not just black and white there are gray areas and even technicoloured areas in it where you have to re think the way you live your life to a certain extent.

And thankyou for proving my point that you nuts use your religion as a defense because you wouldn't have one without it.

Brandon 21 months ago

1) I can and did, just like you label Christians.

2) The Duggars don't need to "smack" their kids, and they've turned out just fine.

3) As far as me being naive to internet propaganda, I am not naive that you are actually Paulie pretending to be someone else because you don't want to answer my questions. People who are "concerned with the Duggars health" are liars because they refuse to accept that Michelle has had 19 healthy children, one after the other, without stopping, without taking any birth control.

4) This is a load of crap.

5) I know who you are, you are Paulie, and you need to see if you criticize people for nothing, you will reap what you sow, you will get criticized and rebuked for making fun of innocent people.

Thank you for proving my point that people who hate Christians apply a double standard to them.

TORNS 21 months ago

YOU ARE DELUDED I AM Definitely not Paulie no offense to you Paulie. Without giving too much away I am an Aussie that stumbled across this site and decided to weigh in. JOSIE IS FAR FROM HEALTHY YOU GIT.

I DID Answer your questions you are just choosing what you want to see and what doesn't fit into your little box of what the world should be you push to the wayside. I never said the Duggars should smack there kids again you chose not to read the full statement. I said that some children deserve a smack now and then NOT THE DUGGAR CHILDREN NEED A SMACK it was a generalisation about all children not the duggar children.

If you look at the way I type and spell certain words you would see that I am not Paulie.

I am a Nurse have been for 6 years my friend I didn't do 3 years of university studying nursing for no reason but hey you choose to believe I am paulie so this is probably falling on deaf ears.

And I never said I hated Christians I said It is people like you that make people like myself leave the church. And FYI I'm Presbyterian.

Colleen 21 months ago

Brandon, I'm not criticizing the Duggar family for not adopting, I just believe that anyone who chooses the Quiverfull life should know that adoption is an option. They shouldn't feel forced to have multiple pregnancies. As of 2000 there were 127,000 U.S. kids up for adoption. Sadly, that number has risen since then. These kids would love to be a part of a loving family. I just belive that if a Quiverfull family, any Quiverfull family, isn't pregnant now but considering pregnancy they should also consider adoption. Why create a new life when their is a life now that needs a family?

Mk 21 months ago

I am not a devout Christian as the Duggars are, but I am a teacher and have been for many years. I wish people would stop judging others for how many children they have or how old they are when they have their children. It is not our business!!! What is our business is how parents treat their children. Watching the Duggars raise their children is uplifting! It's too bad we aren't more concerned with the abuse and neglect that occurs daily in the world. There are many people who shouldn't have children and this family isn't one of them! If you want to debate this with me, bring it on!!! I have seen many dregs in society who should have been jailed before having children!!! Yet, here we are, stuck paying to raise their children, trying to educate them, and keep the children out of jail.

ng 21 months ago

Everyone has the right to have as many kids as you want, but mrs. duggar is a bit too old to be having kids. The youngest is going to stuck in a bubble for the first 2 years of her life to build up her immune system. Having a kid at 42 is dangerous to both the mother and the unborn child.

Mk 21 months ago

Having a child at 42 is as dangerous as a 14-18 year old having a baby. If 42 year olds shouldn't have babies than neither should teenagers who are neither mentally nor financially ready to have children.

AJ 21 months ago

I believe that the Duggars are true Christians, living according to God. They are letting God lead them, and I truly believe that He is. They are a beautiful example of a family that believes in God and the afterlife, and we shouldn't judge them for being so happy! They aren't living off the gov't, they aren't asking for donations, they are doing it on their own! Makes you wonder - this must be God leading them and providing for them because they trust in Him. It isn't up to us to say how old is too old. There are plenty of examples in the bible about older women - and I mean 90 years old and up - having babies and being just fine. If you allow God to lead you, He will. Their kids are well-behaved, they are learning a ton of trades, and they are smart!! The only thing they all may be doing that people might consider to be weird is not doing what we all do - watching crap TV, sending our kids off to public schools, and not letting God lead us in all areas. Personally, since I've started watching the show, I have fallen in love with them and I applaud them for living life to its potential. I would love to be as happy as them and to be as calm and nurturing as them. Look at baby Josie - odds were that she wouldn't make it due to being born SO early. Well she did, and I can only say that was due to their belief in the Lord and praying for her to recover to the fullest. She can see just fine and is growing at a great pace. I think a lot of you are just jealous that you aren't as happy. I know I am.

razor 21 months ago

People have a problem with the Duggar children helping to take care of the household (they do not care for the infants though, the mom does that). I guess they'd rather the children sit around all day playing video games and going to government schools to do drugs and have sex and get STDs with their stupid friends.

The Duggars, the Bates, the Jeubs, the Heppners, all these families fare very well, all Quiverfull, and all better than the Gosselins, the Osbornes, the Roloffs, the Kardashians, or any other television family. Please compare television families, I dare anyone, let's see a family on television that is healthier than the Duggar family. I have a newsflash: there isn't one. The Duggars reveal how sick and twisted television is. The Kardashians? How about the kids from Jersey Shore? Even the kids on Table for 12 have absolute chaos going on. The Duggars have complete order and their kids are all totally healthy and happy. The Kardashians and every other TV family, not so much.

Brandon 21 months ago

I am not anti-Semitic simply for saying you are Jewish, but you are obviously anti-Christian.

You "don't care what religion the Duggars are"? Then how about these definitive and narrow minded subtle jabs that you used for tags?: "CHRISTIANS" "RELIGIOUS BELIEFS" "CHRISTIAN BELIEFS" "RELIGIOUS SEX SCANDALS" "RELIGIOUS HYPOCRISY"

Those are YOUR TAGS. WOW! For someone who "doesn't care about their religion" you sure as heck do mention their religion a whole lot in your tags! Please spare your attempt at self-defense. Anti-Christian hatred is obvious to everyone, that's what happened to Jesus and that's what happens to us. There is no point in you trying to hide your hatred and bias behind cultural commentary. At least atheists and Satanists outright admit their hatred of Christianity, I have more respect for them than people who are two-faced and try to hide their obvious feelings.

It's also interesting how you "would be proud to be Jewish" but won't say the same about being a Christian, would you? Another exposure of your obvious bias. You're better off not saying anything if you refuse to own up to what you say. Your hatred will be exposed and found out. The thing is, if you just stuck to exposing actual hypocrites like televangelists or "Christian" millionaire self-help authors, you would have gotten no criticism. But instead you had to pick on the only true Christian family on television, also the nicest and most kind family you will ever meet. You and other internet haters will not get away with your words, the Duggars will be defended, as you can very well see.

To you and your comrade "TORNS" who seem to have the same obsession with lights, strangely enough, if you watched the last episode or any of the other episodes closely without the intent to simply bash them you would have seen Michelle covering Josie from sunlight even when they went outside. You also would have found out two seasons ago that the cameraman does not use ANY LIGHTS during the day because of the natural light that already exists inside the Duggar home. Josie has never inappropriately been exposed to light, and also, she is VERY healthy and she will continue to grow like a normal healthy child without any permanent complications or disabilities from having been born premature. Contrary to what people like yourself say, who seem to be rooting for her and Michelle to get sick just so you can say "I told you so, babies are bad".

Really, how dare you accuse people of evil when they've done nothing wrong. They've raised 18 children right, and you want to falsely accuse them about lighting and "pimping out their kids"? Grow up. Admit you are just bitter because your dad left you and your mom for his own brood of 14+ kids by another mom (or moms) and that would at least make sense and garner you more sympathy, rather than you just being seen as a vindictive and mean-spirited person.

TORNS 21 months ago

Brendon as a Nurse that has worked in the NICU there is no natural light allowed in the babys are in artificial light I suggest you go back to your sheltered uneducated life and read up on NICU'S and what challenges babies born at 25 weeks face before commenting and making assumptions on the health of josie

Canada 21 months ago

Watching this show sickens me. The way the girls have to take care of the younger ones, and wear skirts never pants. To me and a lot of other people from what I've been reading this looks like a cult! This is a disgrace to women and is disrespectful, as far as I'm concerned the mother is brainwashed by her husband. It's 2010 people, all I can say is these poor children for being brought into a family like that. What will happen to them when they go out in the real world, and have to interact with people. I feel especially bad for the girls in this family, segregated and dressed like clones. How people think this family is acceptable and can be role models is beyond me. Like I said, their family has all the makings of a cult. They would fit in the middle eastern countries where the way they treat women in the homes that's for sure.

debra 21 months ago

razor said: "The Duggars, the Bates, the Jeubs, the Heppners, all these families fare very well, all Quiverfull, and all better than the Gosselins, the Osbornes, the Roloffs, the Kardashians, or any other television family."

Some of these families are media whores and the Duggars are the biggest whores of all of them put together. The Roloffs, Kardashians and other families on TV don't pretend they are a perfect family with no flaws. The Duggar kids aren't allowed to make decisions and mistakes. Their lives are scripted by Ma and Pa from the time they wake up until they go to sleep. The kids hang around the parents all day long. How healthy is that? And, if they ever do marry, they will probably live within a few miles of their parents and perpetuate the same type of lifestyle they were raised in. They don't know any better because they've never been exposed to any other lifestyle than their own. Do these kids even have any friends other than their brothers and sisters?

BTW, to those of you who think that Debra and Paulie are the same person, I could say the same thing about you. Maybe you Duggar lovers are really the Duggars themselves posting here to make people believe they are wonderful people.

Brandon 21 months ago

It's interesting that the Duggars have way more friends than their haters, and they also have better values and morals. I guess that's the reason for the jealousy directed at the Duggars: people are jealous that the Duggar family make friends with tons of healthy, mature people, many from other big quiverfull families, instead of being like the Kardashians and other TV families who are constantly having to deal with the mentally unstable, drug addicts, alcoholics and spouse abusers. It's sad that people's jealousy causes them to hate the Duggars rather than emulate their faith, since the Duggar family obviously has everything the envious haters wish they had, including a loving and supportive family.

Brandon 21 months ago

It's also interesting that on one hand people accuse the Duggars of overexposing their kids, and then in the same breath they accuse the Duggars of sheltering their kids. Which one is it, pimped out kids or sheltered kids? They can't be both. Basically people can't find any actual fault with the Duggars so even their own accusations are double-minded and confusing.

Baby Doctor 21 months ago

The simple fact is that there is an overpopulation problem. As for the stuff about Michelle having a miscarriage while on birth control, that is plain nonsense. As a physician I have heard all of the excuses from the religious right who seem to always revert to dead babies in order to make their argument. As a good example, using a condom will never cause anyone to miscarry a fetus. Having so many children at a time when so many are going without is just selfish. And when each of these kids has 19 or 20 of their own... You get the point. The entire point of the quiverful movement is to produce soldier for the end times. Yet they forget that we were put here as stewards of this planet which cannot continue to compensate for the strain.

debra 21 months ago

Yes it can be both, Brandon. They pimp their kids on TV for money and they try to keep them sheltered from the world because they won't allow them to make normal mistakes all kids need to make to be healthy and learn about the world. How do you know how many friends I or anyone else here has? Quit the guessing about our lives and grow up. Read what a REAL Dr. and nurse have told you about how dangerous it is to have a baby every year or so. You christians need to travel up a few centuries since you always seem to want to stay in the middle ages or earlier. You just can't accept the fact that many of us think the Duggars are horrible people. You'll never convince me otherwise so you might as well quit trying.

Brandon 21 months ago

Overpopulation is a myth, just like Climategate exposed the various lies and myths of many so-called environmental disasters. The only places on this planet that are overpopulated are cities, and that is by oppressive Malthusian design. Basically anti-child people are all brainwashed by propaganda, including doctors. I am always reminded how a team of brilliant doctors removed the wrong rib from a professional athlete (he had a benign tumor in one of his ribs), they had to go back and remove a second rib, which was unnecessary.

The point is, doctors don't know everything, they are human and make mistakes, they are not God. Obviously the Duggars have proven them wrong about everything since they had 19 kids who are perfectly healthy and don't even have acne for crying out loud. The Duggars are constantly making doctors eat their words, because they are faithful to God, they don't care what mankind thinks. 19 healthy kids pretty much proves they are right, not doctors and environmentalists.

debra 21 months ago

If everyone in the Duggar family lived like the Amish than I might say your dopey ideas about overpopulation might have some merit. But, the Duggars use and abuse this planets resourses just as much as the rest of us. Only they do it to the tune of 10 times+ the national average.

The Duggars haven't proven Drs. wrong. Look at how many times Ma has gone to the Drs. and look at Josie and how sickly she was and still is. So they had 18 so called healthy kids. It's only because of modern medicine that they're as healthy as they are. If it's "God" who is keeping them healthy, than why do they go to Drs. in the first place? Why don't they do what Jesus said and whatever they pray for will come to pass? They don't believe the Bible anymore than any other fundamentalist. They pick and choose the passages they follow and ignore the rest.

There have been women who have had more children than the Duggars and lived through it. But, most women who have large familes have complications of one sort or another. Who takes care of all the kids when these women die in childbirth? Ma and Pa are selfish to have this many kids when they have to know they are risking Ma's death and the kids will be stuck with raising each other. They don't care about that because they are living in the Middle ages as far as their ideas about big families goes. We don't need big families today. Haven't you noticed that most farms are run by 2-3 people? Not like the past when you needed 10+ kids to do all the work....now machines do most of the work for man.

Brandon 21 months ago

Debra, you're kind of sad. You prefer doctors to God and machines to people. I do pity you.

Regarding your comments about "oh no, having babies will kill you!" I can see what an extreme worry wart you are. Another indication you don't have many friends. Do you have OCD too, on top of your anxiety disorder? I'd bet on it.

80% of people who comment on internet blogs and forums are mentally ill. Mentally ill people have 80% less friends and interact with people 75% less than the average mentally healthy person. Based on your lack of morals and values and how you rudely address people here I can see you are mentally ill and have few friends. Also your argumentative nature here, trying to convince strangers to hate people while obsessively watching a television show about people you hate, is completely mental.

Yes, you have less friends than the Duggars, that is obvious. The fact that you want them to "make mistakes" like whatever bad behavior you did in your youth and probably still do in your immature adulthood also makes you appear the typically mentally ill, isolated and friendless internet and television addict, not to mention the typically immoral and contentious atheist.

I read a previous post where you said you hate the Bible and then you proselytized atheist books. The schizoid nature of your mind is revealed in the fact that like typical atheists, you hate Christians because they proselytize, yet at the first chance you get here you're proselytizing your own religion (atheism is worship of the "Self") and forcing your own beliefs on people by ordering them to read atheist books. That is a schizoid behavior and hypocritical belief system. This is typical behavior of internet atheists, they are constantly trying to force their beliefs on people and trying to get into arguments with Christians, while hating Christians for supposedly acting the very same way.

I'd recommend you actually talk to healthy Christians in reality, faithful people like the Duggars, and until you have the courage and social skills to actually approach healthy Christians in real life I recommend you just continue to watch "19 Kids and Counting", even though you seemingly hate the show.

I hate to be so condescending, but your hostility really only makes you seem annoying and obnoxious.

James 21 months ago

"Having so many children at a time when so many are going without is just selfish." "Baby Doctor" (lol)

Hahahaha! You are such an idiot! LOL! And not just for lying and pretending to be a doctor [hi Paulie]! I guess we should all give up our cars and our food now because "so many are going without". Oh wait, but machines are more important to you than people, I forgot. So we can keep our machines and food, but we just need to get rid of people, i.e. children. Hey, go read some more websites and pretend to be doctor you douche [or a NICU nurse who can't even write English, "TORNS"!], that is hilarious! LOL!

Hey, fake doctor and fake nurse, please show some qualifications before pretending to be a "medical expert" on a random personal blog. Then continue being a douche! HA HA HA HA!

You are a lying douchebag! HAHAHAHA!

Brandon 21 months ago

Paulie, if you're not Debra, you seem awfully so concerned all of a sudden that I'm diagnosing Debra as mentally ill. My last post was not addressed to you, it was addressed to Debra, and yet you are responding to it. I'm sure Debra can defend herself, unless she is just another commenter you created like these fake medical people who so conveniently showed up to (not) support your argument about lights killing babies.

If you read the article I cited on Planned Parenthood then maybe I'll waste my time again casting pearls before swine. Until then I won't waste my time, you do your own homework. Meanwhile, my diagnosis of the mental illness exhibited by Debra still stands until she can defend herself. It doesn't take a doctor to realize someone in crazy.

You want us to believe that the professional doctors and nurses that looked after Josie were somehow idiots who didn't care about her safety while allowing "camera lights" which do not exist. Then when your false accusation is debunked you say "cameras are dirty and should not be allowed at all" because you refuse to admit you're wrong. So you instead make yourself look like an OCD germaphobe and create a fake nurse and fake doctor profile to very conveniently and coincidentally support the lame argument of an obsession shared and put forth by both you and "Debra"- that camera lights were subjected to Josie (they were not). Meanwhile, ACTUAL DOCTORS AND NURSES TOOK CARE OF JOSIE, and they are just a LITTLE bit smarter than you and your internet friends, I'm 100% positive, no "cites" needed for those facts!

It doesn't take any statistics or internet links to prove the mental illness going on here, not that you would validate them anyway, nor do I care for your opinion because you have no professional credibility here at all. I'm trying to end this argument because I'm basically debating with a mentally ill person pretending to be 2 different professionals to support her argument which is simply a chip on her shoulder about her daddy issues and 14+ half-siblings. There is no point trying to talk sense to people who are bloody, raving mad. You'll just end up getting rebuked if you continue lying and trying to mock innocent people like the Duggars and also trying to mock Christians and God Himself at the same time.

Galatians 6:7

"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

debra 21 months ago

Brendon your mouth must be really big by now since you keep putting your foot in it. You claim I have mental illness because I'm on internet blogs or forums. Do you even read this crap before you post it? Are you one of the 80 or 20%? The fact you posted such nonsense says much about YOUR mental condition and that form your delusional beliefs out of thin air.

As far as science is concerned, why don't you try to live ONE day without the scientific advances you enjoy as much as the rest of us do? Hey, I've been atheist for over a year now and I have absolutely NO need for God to make my life better. But I do need science and I admit it freely. You hate science? Fine, go live in a cave and swing from the branches and shape spears out of rocks to catch fish with. No more TV, computors, phones, cars, lights, camera or action. You criticize and scorn science yet you live with all the scientific advances we all enjoy. You probably think the earth is less than 10,000 years old like the Duggars do. Give me one good scientist over 1000 Duggars and more will be done for humanity by that one than the 1000.

You, Brandon, post your BS as if you are some kind of scientist, Doctor, Nurse, evaluator of people. You make all kinds of snide remarks about people you don't even know and only communicate with on this blog. Yet, when we point out all the hypocrisy and woman hating beliefs of the Duggars we are told that we are crazy. Read your Bible and take off the rose colored glasses before you do. Rape, murder, genocide, jealousy, rage, pettiness are all actions and attributes of the Bible God. And you call me crazy!!

I don't watch the Duggar show. I've only seen bits and pieces of the show and I don't have to watch the whole episode to know what they are about. I have been around people like the Duggars when I was a christian and they are all the same. Girls wear dresses and have long hair and the boys are trained to be good christian fathers...whatever the heck that is.

Brandon 21 months ago

Debra, let me simplify things for you a bit here:

You think the Bible actually forbids people from seeing a doctor. This after you claim to be an expert on the Bible. You pretty much have no idea what you're talking about. It's okay, you're not the first atheist to be so ignorant and then be angry for it.

Go outside and take a walk and maybe lay off the antidepression meds and alcohol for a bit, or forever. I'm sure you'll be just fine.

jean weeks 21 months ago

are you kidding me, these girls are ill speaking, mindless unpaid slave labor and the boys are stupid, wild and out of control and lazy as are ma and pa.

anonymous 21 months ago

for thse of you who say they are not "bormal"... what is the definition of normal? do you eally think God intended for it to be normal that couples fight? and so what if their parenting methods arent what yours are, the kids seem happy, healthy and loved. i think its pahtetic that people post stuff on here with a whole bunch of assumptions.

and FYI - the girls DO cut their hair.

Biology Nerd 21 months ago

I've wasted a good few hours reading all this - highly entertaining!

Well, now for my two cents I suppose. I'll try to keep opinion out of this as much as possible and try to look at things from a scientific standpoint.

Biologically, the human body is set up to safely produce offspring about once every year or so, as we've seen with Mrs. Duggar here. HOWEVER, one must take into account that this number came about through our tree-dwelling and later plains-dwelling ancestors. Proto-humans in those times lived much different lives than we do today. For starters, pregnancy for them was much more than just getting fat and nauseous for awhile. Being pregnant while living amongst predators 3 times your size could easily mean death, not to mention all the infections and complications associated with pregnancy. Assuming you survived carrying the child (which comparatively few women did) you then had to go about the process of birthing it, which thanks to the same evolutionary advantages that have made us the dominant species was and still is a very dangerous gamble. The fact is that our pelvises, which had to become narrower to facilitate upright gait, at the same time became too narrow for our infant's heads to fit through. The result is that we are forced to birth babies which are vastly underdeveloped compared to other apes, making them little more than helpless fetuses for the first few years of their lives. They can't protect themselves from anything, can't run, and can't even hold onto their mother's fur like chimps can. Think about it, our babies are less self-sufficient than tadpoles!

Of course the obvious result of all of us birthing these 9 month-old fetuses instead of proper babies was that we were almost guaranteed to lose one or ten during the course of our mating lives. Thus we see why the human body was set up to be able to mate so often: it's an insurance policy for the ones that don't survive. For the same reason frogs lay five hundred eggs at a time and cats have litters of eight, we have the capability to reproduce faster than our children can grow.

But what happens when someone decides to utilize this ability in the modern age? Infant mortality in developed nations is ridiculously low, thanks to medicine. Where our bodies are still acting as if they were built to survive on the savannah (thanks in most part to the dichotomy between biological and social evolution, which is a whole other topic to explore) we are now enjoying lives of unprecedented leisure. None of our babies die! It's like if a cat decided to have the maximum number of kittens per litter, every time it could have a litter, and every single one of those kittens survived. That would be a lot of cats! Far more cats than you would probably ever want to feed, and certainly more cats than could be sustained by your local bird population.

Aha, but we're capable of feeding all of our 20+ children, you say. Well that's all well and good, but here you need to take a look at another facet of human biology- our innate sociability. As an archaic proto-human out in the plains, you might expect to have about one in five or so babies survive. Imagine you're raising one of the ones that does make it. This thing is a lot of work! You need to keep it warm, because it can't regulate it's own body temperature, feed it, keep it safe from predators, and even hold its head up so it doesn't suffocate itself! No other animal has to do this. A cat pops out her kittens, cleans them a bit, and then all she has to do is keep them fed. Not much work there. All of her babies already have their knowledge pre-programmed into them in the form of instincts. Humans, on the other hand, have sped so far ahead of our biological evolution that our instincts are for the most part no longer valid. We need to teach our children cultural knowledge instead, which can take up to several decades to learn. Biologically, our bodies are expecting us to pop out one child, begin teaching it all the skills it needs to know to survive, and then MAYBE having another one in 2-3 years, if the resources are still there. This is achieved by having the mother breastfeed, a process which stops ovulation until the infant is weaned. Once your child is self-sufficient enough to start eating its own food, then you're ready to have another one. This is what is natural to our bodies, and women who follow this progression may have ten or more children, all of which should be spaced far enough apart to allow for a good solid chunk of one-on-one learning time with the parent.

The Duggers, as of course we've all seen, are violating this most natural and fundamental rule of human reproduction by spacing their children only months apart. We can clearly see that there is no way that any of the children are recieving a comprehensive adult social skillset. It's just not possible. If the younger children are being raised by children that were also raised by children, then where are any skills coming from? It's the blind leading the blind. A 12 year-old child who was raised by another 12 year-old will only ever behave like a 12 year-old. He will never know how an adult should act, because the only adults in his life are constantly stuck in the first stages of child-rearing. How would you feel if your mother was constantly making cooing baby noises and speaking in a high sing-song lilt, because her hormones have never settled out of 'infant mode'?

The fact is that ape infants, and especially human infants, are biologically set up from the moment of their birth to recieve special one-on-one attention from their parents. We're helpless when we emerge, and remain helpless for years afterward. We NEED parental interaction in order to develop properly. You can see how, even in the absence of parental interaction as is seen in this show and in some of the stories posted by others here, a child will latch on to almost anyone and deem them 'parent.' At the same time our adults are set up to nurse and care for only their own children. Will watching and being around a nursing mother or infant make you start lactating? Can you breastfeed someone else's baby without having been pregnant yourself? A lion can. But we aren't lions, we're humans. Tree-dwelling apes with reproductive systems geared towards rearing a maximum of two infants at once, preferrably less. If we WERE meant to have litters like the Duggars have done, we would be set up like other animals that do so, and have six nipples, no parental imprinting, and the ability to nurse each other's young. We don't have any of those things, and so any statements about the Duggar situation, or any similar situation, being 'natural' or 'intended' are simply not true, and cannot be counted as valid.

That's my thoughts on this whole debacle, anyway. As for the whole religious side of things, I couldn't really care less. I study and am interested in the evolutionary history of man, and as a life philosophy I try my best to structure my life in such a way so as to not run up against my own biological instincts. If these people want to try raising their children like a rabbit warren I suppose I really can't do anything about it. It strikes me a bit like one of those experiments they do with monkies where they raise them in isolation from their age groups and then observe their behavior. Think they might let someone come by and do a complete developmental analysis on all their children? The results would probably be pretty interesting.

debra 21 months ago

Thank you, Biology Nerd, for your clear headed anyalsis of the Duggar clan and why, as far as evolution is concerned, women shouldn't be having all the babies the Duggars have. You've explained it excellently and I'd like to see the Duggar lovers refute anything you've said. I too find evolution fascinating and have only been studying it for less than a year. The evidence is overwhelming for those who really want to know the truth.

Ken 21 months ago

The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. John 1:5

James 21 months ago

HAHAHAHA! Biology Nerd is another fake just like the douches "Baby Doctor" and TORNS the "NICU nurse". Ha ha ha! What a bunch of bag o' douches!

By the way, biologists don't have anything to do with studying socialization. That's for pseudo-scientist sociologists! Hahahaha! Maybe do a little more research on which fake professional you want to be next time. At least you weren't stupid enough to say were an actual scientist. Douche.

debra 21 months ago

You are really an immature and childish little boy, James. It's time to put on your big boy pants if you want to argue with Biology Nerd since the only words you seem to know are HAHAHA and douchbag.

You harp about BN's name and ignore the content of his post. Is this because you have no argument with his post? Prove him wrong and maybe we'll listen to you. Otherwise, why don't you go read a book or do something else constructive to stimulate your frozen brain cells.

James 21 months ago

Biology Nerd is fake commenter, just like "Baby Doctor" and "NICU Nurse". His "science" is total douchebaggery, so no need to waste time arguing. Seriously, we're not allowed to have X amount of kids because we don't have 6 nipples?! Hahahaha! We don't have litters, douche! We only have one baby at a time, we don't need six nipples! Hahahaha, what a total douchebag! "Scientific standpoint only" my ass! Go cut and paste from "science" that isn't over 100 years old, goober! HAHAHAHA!

James 21 months ago

Okay, here's my edited response. HAHAHAHA!

Biology Nerd is fake commenter, just like "Baby Doctor" and "NICU Nurse". His "science" is total douchebaggery, so no need to waste time arguing. Seriously, we're not allowed to have X amount of kids because we don't have 6 nipples?! Hahahaha! We don't have litters, d*****! We only have one baby at a time, we don't need six nipples! Hahahaha, what a total dou******! "Scientific standpoint only" my a**! Go cut and paste from "science" that isn't over 100 years old, goober! HAHAHAHA!

James 21 months ago

You know, you're right. I've been a very bad, bad boy. Perhaps I need a spanking from the ladies!

Hey how are old are you, Debra and Paulie? I think maybe between the 3 of us we could probably pump out 20 kids ourselves, whaddaya say, eh??? ;-) ;-) ;-) Hahahaha!

TORNS 20 months ago

James I am not a fake sweetheart just because you have your head buried up your arse that you can't see whats true and whats not is no need to ow do i put it in your terms oh yeah "PLAYA HATE". I am sorry you are not educated enough to make a valid comment here but thats not my fault. Maybe if your mommy and daddy weren't to busy multiplying like rabbits they would have picked up that you were and still are behind. As debra said its time to grow up and act like a "man" if you are going to throw words around have some factual evidence to back it up otherwise please return your head to your arse, keep it there and shut up.

Sorry paulie for the crass words but I am fed up with people who think that we are all the same person using several alias'

James 20 months ago

Hey TORNS, you obviously need to have more sex and have ten more kids. You're sexually repressed. That's why you think you're a better NICU nurse than the Duggars' nurses. Not that you're even an actual nurse, since you can't even write a complete sentence! HAHAHAHA! It's called "run-on sentences". Learn how to use punctuation, silly Kiwi! Hahahahaha!

James 20 months ago

Hey, look up "run-on sentences". It will help you improve your atrocious and unreadable writing.

debra 20 months ago

I see James forgot to put on his big boy pants. Oh well. Some people never grow up.

James 20 months ago

Oh, I have my big boy pants on Debra! Did you want to see how my bum looks in them or something? ;-) ;-) ;-)

TORNS 20 months ago

I am aussie you git. As for punctuation you try typing after working the night shift. And finally my sex life is none of your concern. GROW UP

anthony 20 months ago

Michelle Duggar has 19 children and is writing a book about the experiences and events surrounding the birth of her 19th child. She stays away from home for months while number 19 is hospitalized due to premature complications. Who is rearing her children. My mother had only six children, and believe me, she would have never had time to write a book. Did anyone ask the older kids if they really wanted the responsibility of raising 15 siblings?

anthony 20 months ago

Michelle Duggar has 19 children and is writing a book about the experiences and events surrounding the birth of her 19th child. She stays away from home for months while number 19 is hospitalized due to premature complications. Who is rearing her children. My mother had only six children, and believe me, she would have never had time to write a book. Did anyone ask the older kids if they really wanted the responsibility of raising 15 siblings?

Tinkerbelle 20 months ago

OMG are you people fucking serious? The Duggars are a bunch of Bible thumping hypocritical freaks!!! They preach all this God and Bible bullshit while exploiting their kids in order to keep up w/their lifestyle. They're fucking immoral and nothing more than white trash.

I'd like to see their reaction if one of their kids is gay or gets addicted to drugs or knocked up. All that Bible bullshit will go right out the window.

against this! 20 months ago

this is horrible!! where on earth did you get this information?

if anyones creepy you are you have no reason to judge another family by a tv show!!!! how would you like it if you found out someone was speaking about you like that without you knowing it i would not!!

you guys are weird here on the internet what has happened to america?? about ten years ago no one would ever say something like that!

i don't understand it??

Paulie e 20 months ago

Sorry sweets, but they went public and set themselves up for public criticism.. Want to stay private? Don't go on national television.

Steph 20 months ago

They are good Christian people and living a true devout christian life! If you would read the their story on their website, you would know why they are against birth control. God has been blessing them all the way. The 19th child being premature is merely a test of their faith. Michele Duggar is a very organized wife/mother. And what is wrong with children having chores to do? That's how they learn, including helping with the younger children. There is a lot of love in the Duggar home! More than I can say for some that only have one or 2 children.

Boston905 20 months ago

Steph - so I'm sure little premature Josie just LOVED experiencing all her horrific medical treatment just so Michelle and Jim Bob's faith could be tested by God. Are you serious? Also, how can you speak about the amount of love in homes of just one or two children? I had two children and they were raised with a tremendous amount of love and attention. I was able to see to their every need because I had the time to devote to their upbringing. In the Duggar home, the babies are handed off to a sibling after they are weaned, aka the "buddy system". The older children have to make an appointment if they have something important to discuss with their parents.

The older daughters are raising the little ones ~ not helping but raising. That's in addition to their cooking, cleaning and laundry chores. These irresponsible parents are now talking about adding baby #20. I wonder if they even consulted the older kids re: did they wish to have another baby to raise? This is not about God, religion, nor faith. This is about EGO. I don't believe God is the one in charge here. I think Jim Bob is and he is not going to stop until Michelle dies in childbirth or an infant does.

I believe the Duggars are hypocrites. They take the money TLC gives them for filming (exploiting) their family life for television viewing while at the same time forbidding their children from watching television because they believe it to be evil.

Free 20 months ago

I love the fact that the world is full of color. Black and white pictures can be artistic but, color is fun. The God who created this world is fun. I pray that each one of u find the joy of freedom. Encourage others to be free and different. We have one savior but we r all diverse! Enjoy it!

debra 20 months ago

Are you talking about the Bible God,Free? Or maybe the Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim or Jewish God? Or maybe the Egyptian, Greek, Sumerian, Japanese, Chinese or Swedish God? You probably live in America so your god is Jesus. If you lived in another culture, you would have another god to worship and believe in.

Also, I 2nd Boston and Tinkerbell too, Paulie. I really wish the Duggar girls would go on strike and refuse to care for the babes their selfish and inconsiderate parents produce. What if Ma and Pa only had boys? Would they be forced to babysit 24/7 like the girls are? Ma is gonna write a book? Well, it doesn't surprise me since she obviously spends little time caring for her young. She probably has a lot more time to write than a mom with 2-4 kids raising them all by herself.

LadyScarlett 20 months ago

Why doesn't everyone just shut up & let people do what they want? They're not hurting anyone and as far as I've seen their children are happier & better taken care of then a lot of children who come from single child homes. As far as religious beliefs go, I'm an Atheist & if they want to use a religion as their reason to be good people, then so be it. It's a lot better than the people that use religion to spread hate & start wars.

Casey 20 months ago

Yes, it is ironic that the person who wrote this blog is actually criticizing people for being "not nice." Really, how nice is the writer of this blog for beating her kids and probably leaving them alone so they can watch television all day? I'll take the very nice and very hardworking Duggars any day. There's nothing wrong with hard work and responsibilty. Of course, one third of American children are obese, so America obviously has a problem with hard work and would rather children be lazy drunks and drug addicts.

Casey 20 months ago

"I don't believe in hitting children for disciplinary reasons or otherwise." -Paulie

"[The Duggars] are just not normal like the rest of us parents who... scowl, yell, and been known to smack one of our kids when they had it coming." -Paulie

That's called a hypocritical contradiction, and it has actually been pointed out already in the above comments.

Casey 20 months ago

Tongue-in-cheek, eh? Well you're definitely right about one thing, no one should take you seriously in the slightest.

I like this definition of you better:

hys·te·ria noun \his-?ter-?-?, -?tir-\

Definition of HYSTERIA

1: a psychoneurosis marked by emotional excitability and disturbances of the psychic, sensory, vasomotor, and visceral functions

2: behavior exhibiting overwhelming or unmanageable fear or emotional excess

Now this is where that other nut Debra comes in to make your cause look even nuttier.

Anon 20 months ago

I don't like this show at all. My biggest beef with it is the undermining and oppression of women and their roles in society. My family watches the reruns early in the morning, so I catch a few episodes as I get ready for work, and Jim Bob is always saying some retarded comment basically alluring that women belong in the kitchen, barefooted, and knocked up.

Sorry, but, what was the Women's Suffrage of the 1920s about? Or the women's rights of the 1970s? Did we just like forget the 20th century existed and reverted back to the ideologies of the 19th century?

Then, the family is so close minded and caught up in their own world that the children don't have minds of their own. One episode, if I remembered, the family went to one of those Christian meet ups with other Quiver families and Michelle lamented on how these seminars are the perfect places to " find mates for their children ". Its like the family has their children's lives planned out without the child really developing their own person and identity.

The boys are to find wives, work and keep them knocked up in order to be closer to God.

The girls are to find husbands, keep popping out babies, and stay in the kitchen.

Its disgusting to watch as a young woman. The oldest child is one or two years younger than me and he's already married, with a kid. I'm still trying to get through college. What? This, I don't understand.

I will give credit that this family isn't as obnoxious or completely backwards like that Bates family they associate with in the boondocks of Tennessee. Now those children are truly deprived. Every time I see that family on screen I think I can faintly hear the dueling banjos in the background.

They can do whatever the hell they want, its their own right. But the moment they put themselves on TV and their personal lifes in magazines, they open themselves up to public scrutiny. When they criticize others for not following their "beliefs" and condemn others, which I'm sure they do since they are those type of Christians, then that gives the public the right to say what they want to say.

I wish TLC would stop glamourizing their life. Oppression of women isn't a step foward, but a step backwards. Jim Bob needs to take the foot out of his mouth and get a wake up call. He's so vain, its disgusting. I don't hate Michelle, poor woman can't even say no to the man without him saying something, I hate him.

debra 20 months ago

I can hear the bajos playing with the Duggars too, Anon. The tune might be a little fainter, but it's there.

Although the Duggars may live in a nicer house than the Bates, their mindset is still from Deliverance. Man rules woman; girls cook,clean, play with babies and boys do manly work. Women are to produce as many babies as possible even if doing so might kill you. Their mindset is definately that of people who are not able to think and only do what they are told. Yes, they are backwards and hillbilly to the core.

Emilo 20 months ago

Why hasn't anyone provided a good argument against ADOPTING kids needing a good home?

Unimpressed 20 months ago

Far right types tend to be racists. In my experience with Quiverfull families I found them very concerned that other races will someday outnumber white Christians. This is the strong incentive for having as many kids as their reproductive organs will produce. I don't mean to be crude, but they put no more thought into having children than most people put into having a bowel movement. Becoming pregnant is simply a bodily function and involves no more planning than the act of copulating which can be accomplished by even the most primitive of mammals. Too bad their kids can't look at them knowing that they were planned for, anticipated and awaited.

Charles 20 months ago

All I can say is you don't see the Duggar children tattooing or piercing their bodies, doing drugs, being disrespectful to their parents, getting pregnant our of wedlock, getting STD's, etc. Need I go on?

If more families followed their example it would be a huge step forward in cleaning up the filth that has become so common place in this country.

Charles 20 months ago

In response to 'Unimpressed'.

You appear to think it is okay that whites are committing genocide by having only 1.2 kids per family while many Blacks and Hispanics continue to have 8-12 kids because they don't have any self-control; or worse yet, many middle-eastern Muslims have 8-12 kids for the express purpose of increasing the Muslim population in America in hopes of one day institutin Sharia law.

In addition, many Blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims do nothing but take advantage of our institutions like welfare, free medical care, etc, while statstically having a higher crime rate per capita than whites. How does that help this country?

I, for one, would rather see white conservative Christians having more children for a change. At least they aren't being parasites. So I say more power to the Quiverfull organization!

Janice 20 months ago

My big objection to this family centers less on their size and more on the way they (don't) raise their children.

There is nothing wrong with asking older children to HELP with tasks like getting the younger kids out of bed in the morning or helping them to get ready for bed at night. However, the 5 oldest girls are being required to do not just this, but homeschool their siblings, do all the laundry, prepare all the meals and still learn on their own. Attending to the needs of the younger boys and girls is rightfully the job of JimBob and Michelle. The girls didn't give birth to the younger children and should not be responsible for bringing them up. I see signs that the "buddy system" is breaking down, in the behavior of the younger boys and girls. Anyone but these 2 numbskulls would have taken the hint by now.

Then there is their "eddication". Michelle doesn't even do the homeschooling anymore as this is yet another task that she's dumped on Jana and Jill. As it is you don't see these kids spending more than 3-4 hours a day in a classroom. Most of this time is spent either sitting in front of a computer, goofing off or interrupting any of the kids who are making an honest if doomed attempt to concentrate. The learning materials themselves are appalling. I don't know if they are still using the junky "Vision Booklets" furnished by Bill Gothard's ATI or something more advanced. The Duggar parents have systematically hobbled their kids in going to college or entering a trade apprenticeship. Going to college would require them to undergo at least a year of remedial work to overcome the lack of science, higher math or foreign languages. They would also be hard pressed to enter an apprecenticeship for skilled trades, like those for plumbers, electricians, carpenters or building trades. While these may not require a foreign language, they DO require some mastery of higher mathematics.

The Duggars prattle that they are "open" to letting their children attend college, to which I call BS! The kids have already been indoctrinated from birth not to want higher education. This is a win-win for Michelle and JimBoob. They get to sound "normal" by declaring their readiness to accept higher education because they can already count on the kids rejecting the opportunity.

These two are extremely selfish, and must think that they both are immortal. Have either of them thought about how their children will survive and earn livings if one or both of them die before the last of the kids are grown? No matter how much money TLC is paying them the spigot will close eventually and then what?

Casey 20 months ago

It's really sad that people think the Duggar kids "raise themselves," or worse, that people just say that to make them look bad because they have no legitimate criticism of them.

The three eldest Duggar children all have professional level educations. The eldest co-owns a car dealership. The second eldest co-owns the dealership, runs his own tow truck company, volunteers for the local fire department, and goes on missions to the far corners of the world. Same with his twin sister who also has enough training to be a midwife.

Where do you think these kids got this education and maturity from? The freaking television?

The Duggars actually spend more time with their kids than you do, since they HOMESCHOOL their kids, they gave their kids a COLLEGE LEVEL EDUCATION THEMSELVES. Did you do that for your kids? The Duggar children are healthy and successful because of their parents, not because they "raised themselves." You people see a kid doing chores instead of playing video games and your little panties get all twisted in a bunch.

Learn the facts before you say things that make you look stupid.

Anonymous 20 months ago

The Duggars truly disgust me, for so many reasons. If the 19th child wasn't enough of a wake up call to not have any more children, what is? Michelle has reached the age where she is putting herself and her potential next child in danger (she already did with number 19). What if baby 20 comes along and complications arise? She would be leaving her gigantic family without a mother, and that is selfish.

The whole "buddy system" seems a little ridiculous to me as well. It is too much responsibility for the older children, who should be focusing on their education and socializing, like all teenagers should. And who gets to take care of Josie while Michelle is busy writing a book? They also seem far too sheltered. While certain restrictions on TV and internet are understandable, it's almost as though those kids are completely ignorant of the outside world. How will they ever learn about people who are so different from them and in turn, learn how to accept and love them?

Sure, they may be loving and wholesome people, but I'm sure they never stopped to think about how many unadopted children need a good home. They're just too wrapped up in their "Christian morals" to even consider other people in the world who struggle and suffer because they're too concerned with procreation. So I will reiterate the one word that comes to mind when I think of the Duggars: selfish. I hope that at least one of the kids grows up to think for themselves and break away from the mold that their parents have tried to fit them in. They are by no means an admirable family, they are just completely self-absorbed and they make me sick.

Not to mention that their carbon footprint must be astounding, but I'm sure they never thought of that either.

debra 20 months ago

The Duggar kids have "professional" educations as a used car salesman, tow truck operator and midwife. ROFL!!! This is such a hoot. The used car salesman sells a crummy car to his customer so the tow truck driver can pick him up when the crappy car breaks down. Sounds like the kids are following in Ma and Pa's footprints--use as many people as you can in as many ways as you can as long as you're making money doing it. BTW, where does this midwife practice and that ties in with this families sick obsession with getting pregnant and having babies their whole life.

Anonymous--I've already said that I wouldn't care if the Duggars lived like the Amish did and had their big brood, but they don't. They use just as much, if not more, of our valuable resourses as the average family does. Also, they give all the praise to God for their success in life when its's science, TLC, donations etc. that's keeping their butts alive. Yet, you don't hear them thank those people half as much as they thank their invisible friend, God.

I just looked at their website and they have Kirk Cameron and the Banana Man (Ray Comfort) tapes. This family may be living in the 21st century, but, mentally they still live in the Flintstone era.

Janice 20 months ago

There's no shame in running a used car lot or a towing business. However, in past episodes, Josh once said he dreamed of being a lawyer, while John David's ambition was to be a pilot. I think both boys, once they had a chance to trawl the internet, realized that their educations had not equipped them for either profession.

Josh Duggar has also dabbled in web design but again his education didn't him to make a full-time living at it.

His only hope of doing something with that would be to get a professional certification (MCP, CIW, A+) because nobody would trust him with their business unless his abilities were quantified by an impartial, outside authority. the whole point of this paragraph is that each of these kids, one by one, is having to forfeit their own career preferences because of their parents' ineptitude and intellectual laziness.

I feel sorry for any kids in this family that would like to become artists, or play an instrument other than the violin, piano or harp. What if one of them would rather learn the guitar, or French horn or cello. Or worse, one of them would rather draw and paint. Good luck on that, kid because if at least one of your siblings doesn't do it we won't let you do it either. Neener!

Janice 20 months ago

I'm also sick and tired of readng that the Duggars are self-sufficient because they own rental properties. They have over 20 people to support, including their married son, daughter in law and grand-daughter. For these properties to generate enough income to support them all, they would have to own either Manhattan or Beverly Hills!

Janice 20 months ago

I'm also sick and tired of readng that the Duggars are self-sufficient because they own rental properties. They have over 20 people to support, including their married son, daughter in law and grand-daughter. For these properties to generate enough income to support them all, they would have to own either Manhattan or Beverly Hills!

debra 20 months ago

I wasn't laughing at the Duggar kids but Casey who said they were professionals. And, there is nothing wrong with being a blue collar worker but just don't pretend that you're something other than what you are, and don't elevate their jobs as being "professional" when they are doing what millions of Americans with little education are doing for a living.

Janice, they make their living from books, TV, internet etc. They probably get LOTS of donations from people who feel sorry for them because of their ignorance and stupidity.You're right that it would be almost impossible to provide for 18+ people from rental property in Arkansas. Just buying food, electricity, gas for cars, medical care, phones etc. would be enormous and certainly more than a few rentals.

Boston905 20 months ago

Casey, if you think the Duggars have provided their children with a "COLLEGE LEVEL EDUCATION THEMSELVES", it's time you drank the Kool-Aid. Selling cars, towing cars or being a midwife = college level careers as far as you're concerned? Do you honestly believe Michelle (and now the older children teaching the younger ones) has taught college level math, science, history, literature, etc. to her brood? I doubt any of the older children could score a total of 500 on the SAT. These children are not equipped to enter the world in any educated manner. Yes, they can survive in the insular society of the Quiverfull sect but that is about it. If that is all the older children want, fine but I don't feel they will ever be allowed (nor have they been prepared for) any other choice and for that, Jim Bob and Michelle should be condemned, not praised.

Janice, Debra and Anonymous, I agree with every point you made.

Charles, you sound like a right wing racist. Your genocide comment makes no sense. Webster's dictionary defines genocide as "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group". Are you saying that is what "whites" who limit their family size to "1.2" children are doing?

Janice 20 months ago

JimBob's "debt free" mantra also insures that the kids won't be able to get an education. According to him there is no such thing as "good" debt-A house, a functioning truck for a fledgling small business or an education. The kids should have a right to use some of the TLC money as they, not their parents, earned. This said, I think all of us will grow old and die before JB braves the attack moths in his wallet in order to pay for legitimate educations or trade apprenticeships.

Dave 20 months ago

It's come up a few times in these years of comments, but I'm personally offended by the blatant misogyny perpetrated by this kind of Christian family. As someone mentioned earlier, the dress imposed on the women of the family is designed to keep them uninvolved in certain activities - enforced long hair and long skirts keeps the women from many activities - just drying hair that long can make you think twice about swimming, and try running in those skirts.

I remember hearing on the show - back when this sideshow was novel - Jim Bob commenting on how 'before he met Michelle, she had been "wild"', or something like that - the implication being that she had dated other men before ol' Jim Bob (this is somewhere in the first season) and I remember thinking that this was probably a big key to their relationship - 17 children on & he still reminds her (and us!) of her teen dating!

I also recently read that the Duggars, amongst other evangelical Christians, practice 'side-hugging' - basically standing next to another person and putting one arm around them.. you know, to stop those demon urges. They do this inside the family. Um...?

Janice 20 months ago

David, I think her self-respect has gradually eroded over the years. If my own husband stared yammering about what a "wild child" I once was, he'd need a sitz bath for his, um, nether regions. That's in addition to the refresher course in jacking off, once I padlocked the bedroom door.

Janice 20 months ago

David, you're absolutely right about the hair and clothes that are inflicted on Michelle and the girls in this family. It's a way to remind them that they are GIRLS and cannot aspire to male prerogatives. All that hair also creates a false illusion of maturity by adding years to their appearances.

As for JB & Michelle, I would NOT be a nice person to live with if my husband started yammering about what a "wild child" I used to be. They met when she was 15 and he was 17, so how much sinnin' could she possibly have gotten up to? It's not Michelle's fault that Jim Bob didn't get kissed before he met her. Maybe those anonymous other girls were squicked out by something they noticed that Michelle missed. It's also a less than subtle way for him to control her, by implying that she is damaged goods for not having waited for him. For cryin' out loud, nearly 30 years have passed and she DID (no accounting for bad taste) marry you so get over it! Most women, if their husbands did that, would become intimately acquainted with the living room couch.

Janice 20 months ago

Sorry, I meant to say that most women would compel their husbands to become acquainted with the living room couch.

Boston905 20 months ago

Charles, your quote about race and self-control really gave me a laugh: "...many Blacks and Hispanics continue to have 8-12 kids because they don't have any self-control". How would you define Jim Bob and Michelle's sense of self-control? Last time I counted, they had 19 and are talking about adding baby #20. Not a shining example of self-control for the WASP's.

debra 19 months ago

Oh my gosh, JB and Michelle really are weird, aren't they? Kissing is a sin before marriage? Short hair and pants on girls is sinful? Yet using as many people as you can for financial profit isn't sinful? JB has his priorities ALL wrong. Or as Jesus said, don't strain out the gnat and swallow the camel. He makes a mountain out of molehills and molehills out of mountains.

Boston905 Good comment about the lily whites having so many kids and yet it's wrong for Blacks and Hispanics to have big families. BTW, where are Blacks and Hispanics on TLC's large family shows? Surely there must be one family in America of color they could film about? The Duggars are so boring it's a wonder they are still on TV. Maybe it's like being at the zoo and looking at the strange animals over and over again because you can't believe there are animals who really look like that.

Janice 19 months ago

How about learning to survuve as adults, without mommy and daddy is sinful. If the Duggars are so bible literate, how did they miss the one about not hiding your light under a bushel?

Janice 19 months ago

SOrry, I meant "survive".

Casey 19 months ago

As usual, no one stopped to take back their idiotic comments that the children "rainse themselves," they instead tried to take shots at working class people and belittle an education that didn't take place inside a government prison school or a douchebag college that raises narrow minded elitists and lazy addicts.

This is all about Paulie and her alter egos/multiple personalities taking out her frustrations on her daddy who left her for 14 other kids. Those of you who are actually other people are just ignorant vidiots who watch 5 minutes of a television show and think you're fit to define it. Good luck with that, morons. Maybe you should stick to watching Jersey Shore, that's more your speed and intelligence level.

Casey 19 months ago

I see Debra came back for more. She just can't get enough of talking trash about a family on a tv show she supposedly doesn't watch and doesn't care about.

Debra, what kind of nut are you? Are you seriously going to try to accuse someone of racism after your blatant classism and making fun of "hillbillys" and people with Down's Syndrome? You're an insane nutjob. And knowing that you're monitoring this website like a watchdog, I can expect you to reply like a good little mentally ill person with no life other than the interwebz. Try not watching the show, loser. Because the reality is, simple people like you and Paulie will never get away with making fun of innocent people. Not in reality and not on the internet. There will always be people to completely pwn you and put you in your place for your ridiculous immaturity and insanity for trying to accuse innocent people of wrongdoing and making fun of them.

You have been owned all up and down this comment tree.

Casey 19 months ago

Boston, your fat and disgusting wife sits around watching TLC all day. What you say about the Duggars isn't going to change that fact, so you'd best just give it up. It also lends no credibility to your commentary on what sort of family life is appropriate or not, since your family is ridiculous and you're a douchebag.

It's not the Duggar's fault that your wife is a pig, that your entire life and your children are pathetic and you're about to get a divorce. Some good your "professional" education and your "non-insular" life did for you. Write us a self-help book about great your advice is in 5 years and how great your life turned out after the divorce, lardass.

Casey 19 months ago

Paulie, I feel bad saying this, but you are a total idiot. Do you think you're clever with your little "Deliverance" clip? Seriously? It's ironic and shows how pathetic you are, because the 7 eldest Duggar kids can actually all play 3 different instruments, while you and your family are talentless assclowns.

How many instruments can you play, smartass? Oh, the skin flute of your fat, impotent ex-husband doesn't count. How many instruments can your children play? Wii Tennis doesn't count, dumbass. Does it make you upset that the Duggars are superior to you in every way?

So daddy left you and your fat mom to impregnate some other stupid bitch with 14 kids that he cares about more than you. Get the fuck over it already and grow up, your daddy ain't coming back if you make fun of Jim Bob Duggar by projecting your daddy hatred onto him. Grow the fuck up already and get over your daddy issues. You are clogging up the internet with your douchebaggery for people who want to actually read intelligent material on the Duggar family. This piece of shit blog doesn't even have the title spelled properly and this peanut-filled shitball "hub" shows up 7th in a Google search for the Duggars. That's why all 18 of your other blogs have no comments but this one has over 300, people are here to comment about the Duggars, not your fascination with Yiddish.

Grow the fuck up already.

Debra (Paulie), you are a simple douche, a single mommy living off your fat mom because you fucked some tatted up dork who was drunk and desperate enough to fuck you. Don't try to criticize the Duggars while you're over there leeching off society to pay for your crystal meth habit. Please. You are a fat and simple fool. My favorite part of this comment tree was when you said "I hate Christians because proselytizing is wrong! ...Here, read some atheist books!"

Oh my God, that would be absolutely hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. Stephen "Douchebag" Colbert couldn't have written a better one liner to show what idiotic morons you atheists are. Is it time for your meth and bon bon binge yet, douche? Don't forget to thank your mom for taking care of your baby and your state-provided lawyer for collecting child support from your deadbeat drunken one night stand, you fat pig. After your drug binge don't forget your anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds, and anti-psychotic meds, then go watch the Duggar family because you are fucking insane. You are sad to think you can criticize innocent people and not have your small pathetic life exposed for what it is.

Get over your pathetic hatred toward God and Christians and maybe that fucked up crack-filled brain of yours will start working again.

Janice 19 months ago

Goodness me, somebody flunked her distemper test, didn't she.

Ramona 19 months ago

Seriously now Casey, what is it you like and respect about the Duggars? They seem like a really strange family to me.

Boston905 19 months ago

Casey - I would have to say YOU are the one who has lost all credibility with your juvenile rants to Debra, Paulie and myself. Seriously, are you in middle school?

All 3 definitions of "juvenile" in Webster's dictionary apply to your posts:

1. being in the early stage of life, growth, or development

2. having or showing the annoying qualities (as silliness) associated with children

3. lacking in adult experience or maturity

Obviously our comments have struck a nerve else why would you resort to such vulgar language in attempting to make your inane points. Say whatever you like in response but be advised I intend to ignore you and your posts. I welcome intellectual discourse which disqualifies you completely.

debra 19 months ago

It sounds like Casey has had a meltdown similar to the wicked witch in The Wizard of Oz. It's quite appropriate though since he/she is a slug of sorts and slithers along leaving a trail of slime everywhere he/she goes. I say he/she as you are probably Jimboob or some other Duggar defending the honor of your family. Too late, their honor was villefied the first time they sold themselves to TLC.

Casey can't defend their putrid Flintstone age education so what does he/she do but pull out of her/his sleeve? Why it's their musical abilites....they play 3 instruments so that makes up for their ignorance about almost everything else an average American knows. BTW, my 12 year old granddaughter plays 4 instruments and taught herself 2 of them. My son plays 5 and taught himself 3 of them. I myself play none but I'll match my ability to think against anyone of the Duggars anytime.

Your ranting and raving only proves you're not able to defend the Duggars against real questioning of their motives for having so many children. I and many others here have figured out the Duggars with very little effort. You though Casey can't figure them out while watching their program faithfully for many years.

Even if we've said some derogatory things about the Duggars nothing matches the insults you've thrown at us when you don't know anyone of us personally. Doesn't your Bible say it's wrong to LIE about people? I'm not lying about the Duggars because I truly believe everything I've said about them based on my observations of them as a family. Casey, you can cuss, scream, holler and throw ad hominems all you want but you're not gonna change our mind about the Duggars being assholes from Arkansas. And, they fit the stereotype of hillbilly hicks so if the label fits, let them wear it.

debra 19 months ago

Just an after thought comment or two. I noticed that Casey posted 4 posts all within a few hours of each other. Then she accuses us of being on this web page all the time. What a joke.

Also, Casey uses the word douchebag a lot and the cuss words remind me of Jim who was banned awhile ago. I think Casey is doing the things she accuses Paulie and me of doing....pretending to be more than one person to get more posts up.

Casey 19 months ago

Debra, your son plays 5 instruments? Oh Lord. Playing his boyfriends' skinflutes doesn't count.

Trying to "change your mind" about something would be about as pointless as teaching Snookie Shakespeare. You're a moron, don't flatter yourself that I would ever waste my time.

I'm here to insult your idiot ass and it's not that hard. Douchebag.

By the way, speaking of a "Flintstone education," learn how to spell "vilified" correctly, genius. You are pathetic trying to question someone's intelligence and education. Apparently all the brilliance of those atheist books isn't rubbing off on you.

But you will learn two things here whether your stubborn ass likes it or not. 1) God will not be mocked, and 2) you will reap what you sow.

You think you're cute making fun of innocent people who can't retaliate, while Paulie claims the Duggars being in the limelight makes them open to her sad criticism. You will only be insulted yourself for your idiocy. You reap what you sow.

Time for your meds now, hag. See you tomorrow, nutjob!

Casey 19 months ago

Boston, wow, what can I say. Speaking of "juvenile," you're a huge pussy. You "support wholeheartedly" Debra's Hooter's waitress crystal meth rants while my correct grammar is apparently too much for you to handle because the cusswords remind you of your domineering lardass wife. Sorry about that. Tell us how to run a healthy family again, please. You are hilarious. Oh, I forgot, you have to go on an internet porn binge. My bad.

Well, enjoy your healthy and non-insular family! I'm sure your kids will handle "going into the world" great with the image of you jagging off to internet porn burned into their brains. They must have loved that healthy bit of 21st Century family love.

Casey 19 months ago

Oh, and Debra, you bet your fat ass my insults are superior to yours. What, you can dish it out but you can't take it?

You reap what you sow. You cowards take potshots at the Duggars from the safety of the internet (because no one in reality will listen to you) and you think you can get away with it.

Then as soon as someone insults your pussy ass in return you cry foul. You're a wuss and a hypocrite. If you can't take the insults then don't insult innocent people, you idiot. Don't cry abuse just because you're getting your just desserts. You're an asshole and you are getting pwned like one.

Alice Griffith 19 months ago

Boy, somebody is busy posting all these for and against comments. As if Casey were a real-life Duggar supporter. HA! It does give a lonely person something to do, I guess...

I'm so pleased TLC has the privilege of bringing the lovely Duggar family to the world. Naturally, their lifestyle will bring out the worst in people who can NOT fathom the kind of selflessness required to produce such joyful, functional, and wholesome kids. Sweet Josie--I am so glad you had the best of care, and that you won't remember a bit of your hospitalization! How well-loved you will be! Eight years later, our family can testify to this truth!

Bless you, keep on keeping on, though I know you've had second thoughts about the show...

Janice 19 months ago

Believe me, I have tried to like this family. I wish I could suspend my critical faculties long enough to see them as cute little, hyper-fecund fuzzy bunnies but I can't. For one thing, Michelle's prattling that she would be open to a 20th child makes my teeth hurt. You really want to put another baby through the ordeal that you subjected Josie to? Your right to have your 20th ends, where the baby's right not to be saddled with life-long physical and mental disabilities begins. Aside from the risks to the baby, what about those to Michelle's own life? Bearing a 20th child could either kill her or leave her permanently disabled. While it's true that she contributes very little in the way of labor or attention to the Duggar household, she IS still the mother of these children.

I also don't see why verious organizations keep giving Michelle awards as "Mother of The Year" when all she does is bear the children while abdicating responsibility for them once they're past the 6 month stage. Calling her Mother Of The Year just for being fertile is like dubbing me a car because I have a garage.

I can't stand the conformity that the parents impose on their kids. The same godawful clothes for all of them,

the long hair, the cruddy used shoes. The kids all have the exact same glassy-eyed stare; how'd they herd that many kids into the taxidermist's office. You're making out like a bandit, JimBob you cheap so-and-so; shell some of it out for some NEW footwear for a change!

I hate to be repetitive, but I'll say it again anyway:

the alleged education these kids get in no way prepares them for the real world or even for survival in the artificial world of their parents. They don't have the higher math, science or foreign language to get into college without at least a year of remedial instruction first. They also are unlikely to get admitted into an

apprenticeship for a skilled trade-electrician, plumber, auto mechanic, carpenter or computer repair tech. These don't require a science or foreign language but DO require some mastery of higher math. Even in fundamentalist circles, they would have a hard time hacking it. There simply aren't that many jobs of this nature out there and even most Christian employers would give these jobs to applicants with real credentials. How

do Michelle and JimBob expect their children to cope if one or both of them dies while most of the children are still young?

One last thing that scares the hell out of me is that the Duggars are apparently making another foray into politics. Their second son, John David, is running for alderman in his hometown. Most posters on other sites don't believe for a moment that this was his own idea. I see the fine hand (and foot) of Jim Bob in this circus. While the post itself is not that consequential, what if JimBob is emboldened to make a political bid of some kind for himself? He already tried for the Senate in 2002 only to be defeated by what he called "sin in the camp" that he blamed on Josh. (Sorry, pal, but Josh didn't cost you the election. You talked YOURSELF out of office with your whackadoodle notions. There also weren't enough people with minimal cerebral function to vote for you.) He pinned the debacle on Josh so he could avoid owning it himself.

debra 19 months ago

Also, these kids have been raised with a certain amount of celebrity status. What will they do when noone recognizes them because they were just one of the crowd and aren't important anymore without the crowd? Who wants to hear about 19 kids having kids? I doubt very much that any of these kids will have large families like Ma and Pa did.

Whether the kids have an education or not doesn't seem to be a concern or ole Jimbob or Michelle. After all, the girls are to be married and mothers and the boys just need enough education to start a little business of their own.

I did see part of the show where the Duggars bought used shoes for the kids and one pair of boots had duck tape around it to hold it together. Duck tape? I would never have bought my kids used shoes. Don't these people know how important it is to buy new shoes that are shaped to their feet? What about diseases and ill formed feet from used shoes? If Ma and Pa want to wear used shoes that's okay. But not the kids.

Janice---I too can't find anything good to say about Ma and Pa. Blaming God for her unnatural desire to produce like a dog is disgusting to me. She wants so desperately to be in the limelight and knows the only way to do it is to produce more and more kids. That her husband is all for it is proof that he's just as much a show horse as she is. And who pays fortheir selfishnes and stupidity? Why the kids of course. But, then again, they seem to be the only ones in the family with common sense, maturity and dignity...the girls anyway.

Paulie--they've already started a church called 19 and Counting. Their worship service takes place on TV and they pass the hat when a commercial comes on. Hey, religion pays and sometimes it pays real good.

Ronnie 19 months ago

Obviously this will lead to more children they have with health defects, but yet they plan on having more children? That's bull. The older sibilings don't even get that much love and are treated like they are the slaves. Don't they care that they could be hurting more children when they try for their 20th? 25? Her tubes need to be tied before some rips them out or they fallout after having a classroom full of children. They don't even pay for taxes just cause they have enough people to make up a small town sunday school? Lovely. Other families are close to poverty while they get a TV show and get free stuff. I've watched the show. They don't even believe in dancing cause it supposivly brings up "desires." It shows how they are living almost older century like with the girls in only skirts and no kissing before marriage. Almost mormon like without the multiple wives. They have tried to get rid of contraceptives. No one wants their wife or mother to die of having too many children. Anyways the black market would go up for condoms.

Jamie 19 months ago

At least back then it was ok to dance...

Janice 19 months ago

Another thing I hate is how some posters have declared that the Duggars never lie. I admit, I have only watched, in their entirety, about 7-8 episodes over the years. I'm always afraid of lobbing a running shoe through the TV if I increase my watching. However, in a recent episode, Jana announced that she would be traveling on a mission trip to Asia and Michelle declared that they would NOT let her go by herself. (Really? The girl is a legal adult.) However, later in the same episode, Michelle suddenly announced that "JD wants to go!". At some point, his parents guilted poor JD into chaperoning his sister on this junket (I only hope that he and Jana made some kind of pact to stay out of each other's faces during the trip). They not only lie, but they can't even keep their fibs straight since they told 2 different lies in the same episode! I kind of felt sorry not only for Jana but for JD as well. His towing business isn't that old, and it takes at least a year or more to nurture a new business to profitability. Yet JB and Michelle forced him to leave a fledgling small business unattended in order to satisfy their paranoia. In a normal family, JD would have no trouble telling them "sorry, but my business comes first".

Janice 19 months ago

Another thing I hate is how some posters have declared that the Duggars never lie. I admit, I have only watched, in their entirety, about 7-8 episodes over the years. I'm always afraid of lobbing a running shoe through the TV if I increase my watching. However, in a recent episode, Jana announced that she would be traveling on a mission trip to Asia and Michelle declared that they would NOT let her go by herself. (Really? The girl is a legal adult.) However, later in the same episode, Michelle suddenly announced that "JD wants to go!". At some point, his parents guilted poor JD into chaperoning his sister on this junket (I only hope that he and Jana made some kind of pact to stay out of each other's faces during the trip). They not only lie, but they can't even keep their fibs straight since they told 2 different lies in the same episode! I kind of felt sorry not only for Jana but for JD as well. His towing business isn't that old, and it takes at least a year or more to nurture a new business to profitability. Yet JB and Michelle forced him to leave a fledgling small business unattended in order to satisfy their paranoia. In a normal family, JD would have no trouble telling them "sorry, but my business comes first".

Boston905 19 months ago

TLC ran an episode this week of Josh and Anna and their baby. Did anyone else besides me freak out about the HUGE pink pillow in their baby's crib?????? I could not believe my eyes. A child that age should not have any pillow in its crib. Have they not heard of SIDS?

Janice 19 months ago

It's not just the pillows that are dangerous to these kids. What about the fugly headbands they wear? I can easily see one of those becoming a safety hazard too, if the child pulls it off while in her crib.

I'd better watch myself. I suspect that my punishment for any misbehavior will be re-birth as an older Duggar girl.

tessalou 19 months ago

I have been watching the Duggars since they first started airing their specials before there tv show came on. I was amazed and happy that finally a christian family had a good wholesome show for all of us. That was until Josh got engaged to Anna.

I was shocked to see this fundalist family allowing the girls to wear shorter dresses and skirts (the girls call it modern modesty), perming their hair and gopping on the makeup, and wearing designer sunglasses such as Jinger is now doing (I refer to her as Jezeebel Jinger now). Then there was Jeremiah who was wearing a hat and mirrored sunglasses and lounging against the door frame (I call him pimp daddy Jerry.) What in the world has happened to the countenance of the girls and wholesomeness of the boys from the first special that they did? It looks like JimBob is lossening up on the reigns if his religious convictions to save approval ratings. Is this the christian way.

I have also noted that they are bringing other larger families on the show. JimBob has elluded to the fact (with a cat eating grin on his lecherous face) that there "may be" feelings that can develope into possible brides and husbands for the children. Yuck!!! I really don't think that the girls will be interested in having a family due to the fact that they have already raised more kids then they really wanted to. Can you blame them? I do not forsee any son-in-laws for Michelle and JimBob for many years yet.

I was also horrified when Michelle stated on the show that the eyes of the man was a direct path to their hearts and bodily sensations. She also stated that men were weak and it was a women's duty to keep the mens hearts pure. I have 2 girls but still found this insulting to all christian men to be deemed weak and not in control of their emotions or sexuality. Now the sisters or daughters have to stand behind the brothers and father (litterally) to make sure they stay on target with their faith. I just wonder if Michelle truly believes what she said. That would mean that Lord Jesus Christ, as a man, was a weak man as she believes her sons and husband are. Even grandma Duggar admitted on the episode of when Michele, JimBob, Jinger and one other daughter went to New York to tape "The View" that poor Joyanna was taught, by her parents, to block out any immodestly dressed women for the boys with her hands covering the tv screen. Not only are they responsible for raising the children, but the girls are also responsible for keeping the weaker boys on the straight and narrow path. I really feel for those girls.

Does anybody think it strange that Josie is locked away in the bedroom almost all of the time? Michelle and JimBob claim that it is because of her immune system. I have studied nursing for the past 20 years as it interests me. Once that baby was sent home from the NICU she is healthy enough to be around people and in society. Due to her physical and mental problems with the preemie if it was not able to survive among people and society then it would not have been released. There are many posts over the years about what the parents would do in this situation. We now know. They have shut the imperfect one up so that no one can see her or the family be seen with her. If anyone can better explain this then I would like to hear it. But I do not think that anyone can.

That is why I have to say that I have changed my oponion that this family is not a christian family but a cult. The saddest thing about it is that JimBob and Michelle had the choice to live a life like this, but none of the children had that choice and unfortunately I would have to say that they never will. Children of cults very rarely make it out because they are beaten down with this propaganda all their life and will never know any different. So sad.

debra 19 months ago

Janice...I loved your tennis shoe comment. What I can't figure out is how you were able to sit through 7 shows. I can't sit through more than the opening scene or the bits and pieces I've seen. Also, just because some of the kids are legal adults doesn't mean they are mentally adult. They have been taking orders for so long they probably don't have a clue how to make a decision on their own.

Tessalou: A teen girl can wear short dresses, makeup, and becoming hair style if it's done tastefully. Why should a teenager who's christian have to look like a prarie girl? It seems like too many christians, the Duggars included, think they are "spiritual" or "religious" if they wear frumpy clothing and the girls have long hair. They just turn normal people off to their God because noone wants to look like that in the real world. The Bible says they swallow the gnat and spit out the camel..or something like that. They are only concerned with appearances, not what actually is.

I guess Michelle better pop out another one since Josie is almost a year old.

Janice 19 months ago

Thanks, Debra. Actually, I sat through 6 3/4 shows, over a span of about 3 years. The 3/4 show was the episode where the family was traveling, and lost Jackson when he wandered off to an airport restroom alone. (The child was only 4-5 at the time!). Neither parent seemed to exert themselves, i.e. get off their butts, to look for him. When he was found, I saw no perception in any of them that they were lucky to get Jackson back alive and unhurt. For cryin' out loud, haven't any of these people ever head of Adam Walsh or Etan Patz? Anyway, my husband actually sat through this one with me, before terminal disgust made him insist that we change the channel.

You're probably right that their upbringing has morphed the older Duggar kids into sheeple. But they still should have but won't get, the right to make their own mistakes. Makes you wonder what will happen to them if JimBob and Michelle shuffle off the mortal coil any time soon.

You're right about the clothes. For people who trumpet modesty, they certainly go out of their way to make themselves conspicuous. I should think that a woman or girl in conservatively-cut jeans, shorts or khaki pants, with a t-shirt or sweatshirt would stand out a lot less than a refugee from "Little House On The Prairie" (actually, even the Ingalls girls dressed more stylishly). Ditto the hair. I wonder how many of the Duggar girls have seen women their age with shoulder-length or shorter hair and wished that they could wear something as effort-free. They supposedly keep it that length because "Daddy likes long hair". Ptui!

The more I've seen of them over the last 3-4 years, the more convinced I am that their parenting style would embarrass a termite colony (the queen of which Michelle bears more and more resemblance to).

debra 19 months ago

Janice...BTW, my daughters name is Janis too. I hope none of the Duggars have that name....maybe the next one will be Janis or Janice.

They lost a kid at the airport and they just sat there? What about the buddy system...I guess the girls were just too tired to look for the kid with 5 other kids vying for their attention. I lost my Janis at the airport and I was about to lose my mind. Had the cops looking and my mom missed the airplane cuz we were so worried. She was in the bathroom.

Janice....I think they set this stuff up to make the ratings higher. But, then again, they aren't aware of what's going on in the world living in the Prarie and all.

I tell you this family is just like the Phelps clan only nicer. Both families have a cult leader, the dad, who gives orders everyone must obey. They isolate themselves from anyone who is different from them. They teach their kids not to think anything outside the party line. I see so many similarities it's spooky. Both families judge anyone outside their cult harshly. Michelle might have a baby doll voice but she's a tyrant to those kids. How could any REAL mother demand her kids take care of her kids?

Janice 19 months ago

Yeah, they did indeed lose a little boy at the airport. And not some little no-name depot in the middle of nowhere. It was Newark Airport, one of the busiest in the country, and JimBoob acted like it was just harmless boy mischief. For one thing, kids bigger and smarter than Jackson have been kidnapped, murdered and dumped in less time than he was missing for (I think it was about forty-five minutes). For another, that particular airport is bigger than the average small town.When poor Jackson was found it was telling that the person he ran to for comfort was his sister, not his mother, while Daddy laughed at the whole thing. If that was my kid, I would personally snatch his father bald if he so much as snickered. How could they let this unworldly little four year old go unescorted to a public restroom and NOT expect something bad to result? Now you know why my husband insisted on changing the channel or in his words, "I can't watch any more, they're just too effin' stupid!".

I know what you mean about Michelle. I think she might be the love child of Captain Queeg and Nurse Ratched from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest". If I sent her some ball bearings to toy with or strawberries to obsess over, any chance that she'd be too preoccupied to either micromanage her kids or produce another jurisdiction, er, blessing to burden them with?

Janice 19 months ago

Paulie, they're cafeteria Christians-one for column A, two from column B, and so forth. What burns me is not how much they're making, but that they spend as little as they can get away with on their kids. No education or technical training, used shoes and boots, clothing from thrift shops, that would embarrass Walmarts. If there are any books or movies in that house, I would probably keel over dead from cardiac arrest. No television. If they are so concerned about the younger children seeing something inappropriate, which is legitimate considering the ages the youngest ones, new TVs come with a v-chip which can be set to filter out unwanted content, or they can install parental controls of their own. No internet, except for the oldest kids and I can take it to the bank that their internet connection is dumbed down. Why can't such access be extended to the middle and younger kids? Again, Internet Explorer or any other browser is fitted which parental controls that they can preset, so the kids can use the internet without one of the older ones hanging over them like vultures. If they don't trust their browsers, there are commercial programs like NetNanny, or they can pay someone to install custom controls for them. No music, not even modern Christian rock, except for a limited number of hymns. All right, I can appreciate the Duggar parents not wanting them to listen to Marilyn Manson, but surely there is a happy medium between two extremes.

Before I forget, there's also their diet which as far as I can see is failure in search of a spot marked X. Not to mention diabetes, high cholesterol, atherosclerosis and osteoporosis, due to the low calcium. The food alone would provoke me to run away and join the Foreign Legion.

Since the children are earning the filthy lucre for them, by rights at least some of it should trickle into the kids' pockets. But no, we see them wearing those god-awful flip-flops or equally god-awful boots, while JimBoob crows about his latest mechanical or digital toy.

debra 19 months ago

Janice and Paulie...A hearty Aemn to both of you for your comments.(And this from a nonbeliever too)

As far as clothing is concerned do Ma and Pa wear new or used clothing and shoes? Although they wear old-fashioned clothing is it new or used? If it's new than their JOY-Jesus, Others, Yourself motto fallls flat on its face. The kids are definately not first when it comes to getting new clothes...Ma and Pa are. Kids need NEW, not USED shoes because their feet are pliable and need to form to the shoe. If a shoe is bought used, then it's already been formed to the previous owners feet. Why can't these fools understand this? Can you imagine a child living his whole life and NEVER calling a piece of clothing or pair of shoes his own? What does THAT do to a childs tender self esteem? I'm not saying every item of clothing has to be new, but some of them should be for sure. Ma and Pa...give each of the girls $500.00 and let her go clothes shopping. Don't follow behind telling her right and wrong choices. You'll find that the girls will most likely pick flattering yet up to date clothing that won't make them look so frumpy. Let them date a little and go to movies a little and dance a little and listen to music a little. Let your kids fly a little and see if they don't make the right decisions. The way they are being raised, I really wouldn't be surprised if some of the kids don't leave the nest and become promicuous or drug abusers. They've never been given the opportunity to make a bad or good decision. How are they gonna think if they've never been given a situation where they had to decide if what they wanted to do was good or bad? They've only been taught WHAT to think, not HOW to think.

debra 19 months ago

Janice...I did see part of a show where one of the girls was reading to her "buddy." The books are probably used too. There's nothing like going into a store and a kid gets to pick a BRAND NEW BOOK that's all his own. they could even go to Half Price Books to find gently used books. Have any of the kids done that? Probably not. No new shoes, clothes, bikes, toys,etc. Do these clowns even use the library? I would say no because the kids might see a book they'd like to read and Ma would have to say no. But, that title and authors name would be in the kids mind and compel him/her to find it later.

I also saw bits of the show where they went to New York to be on the Today Show. NEW YORK? Isn't that sin city all rolled into one? Of course it's a lot cleaner than it used to be but all those girls in shorts and clingy shirts must have required the boys to be blind folded for fear they might be tempted. How come Jimboob isn't warned about keeping his eyes closed? Of all the family members, he's the creepiest to me. He reminds me of Ted Haggard in a way. I'm not saying he's gay, but his preoccupation with sex is not natural.

Paulie...I'll look for Water on TV or library. Sounds like a good movie although not a very easy one to watch.

It's also been good to chat with you two a bit without the Duggar lovers attacking every word we say.Maybe they started posting on the sites that praise and glorify Ma and Pa so they don't have to think about what a despicable family they really are. You're right about them opening their eyes to see how much the Duggars will compromise their principles if they can make a few bucks doing it. They just don't see it or care to see it.

Janice 19 months ago

I agree that JimBob is creepy. I think his preoccupation with sex is as much about power as gratification. His kids are more sexualized that many a child born to godless heathens. This family trumpets "modesty" with every 3rd syllable, yet they dress in a way guaranteed to bring them more, not less, atten. They are obsessed with keeping their children from temptation, mich of which would be normal impulses in any other family. They have a distinct schizophrenia towards men and boys. On the one hand they tell them that they are God-ordained authorities. However, since they also have the morals of an intestinal parasite and libidos of sex-starved minks it's up the the wimmin to rein them in. No, it's not and if I was an average, normal guy I would be very insulted at this appraisal of me. It's not my responsibility to keep your nether portions from tumescing at the sight of a little skin, it's YOUR job to keep your johnson behind your zipper.

Boy are JimBoob and Michelle in for a shock. The good thing is that the more exposed their kids are to normal social interactions, the higher the odds are that at least one of them will escape from the circus. I would not want to be either of them when their kids finally grasp that they were sold a bill of goods all their lives.

Even though he's too smug for my taste, I have to hand it to Josh. He's evidently smarter, or at least less stupid, than he's been given credit for. I remember reading about the so-called "Sin in the camp" around him and I wouldn't put it past JimBoob to have rubbed his nose in it every chance he got. I believe Josh saw marriage as his best chance to escape without an open breach with the rest of his family. I hope the other Duggar children can make a break for freedom too.

debra 19 months ago

Paulie...you mentioned a show about a man who was married and bringing home men for sex while his wife was gone. His name was Herb Feinmeister or something similar to that. I saw the show and yes, he was creepy too. You're right about how much he changed over the years...he had a rather pasty look to his face if I recall right. I think he killed himself.

Janice...I think Jimboob is a jerk and I haven't seen near as many shows as you have. Why the girls and boys can't date, go to movies, have friends, or any other normal activity by young people is beyond me. They trust their newborn babies to these girls but they don't trust the girls to make a good decision on a date with a boy? Wow, talk about scewered priorities.

I do remember Jimboob saying on one program that Michelle was really busy with the first 7 but after that things weren't as stressful for her. I thought why not and figured out that someone else was watching the kids for her, as in a 10 or 11 year old girl. Ma and Pa make me want to wretch.

Do you remember the woman on that show where a woman will swap families with another family...Wife Swap. Anyway there was a program with an incredibly obese Christian woman who kept talking about the dark side and evil. That "sin in the camp" statement reminded me of that. Too bad Ma and Pa don't see what a sin it is to force the girls to raise THEIR babies.

I hope the kids escape the insanity. If the kids ever decide to write a tell all book, I'll be sure to buy and read it because I'd like to see them earn money exposing Ma and Pa for the creeps they are. They certainly aren't gonna get any money from cheap ole Jimboob. The sooner they're off the air the better.

Janice 19 months ago

I'd buy a tell-all book. They should consider titling it "The Attack Of The 50 Foot Womb".

Becky 19 months ago

I love the duggars! I too see my 7 children as a blessing. And any more the Lord would give a blessing too. I think the show is inspiring. I watch it just to be inspired to be a better mom. I pray God will allow me to gather the patience Michelle and Jim Bob have. Staying home with your children and homeschooling is a very exhausting job. I dont see how their life would offend anyone.

They love their children enough to spend time with them and have serious discussions about life. Why do you think there are all those silly commercials on tv encouraging parents to talk with their children about serious issues-because most parents dont spend anytime with their children. The children are at school or daycare and then other places. Both parents are working to pay for everything they think the children need.

When children are away from home who teaches them right or wrong? does a teacher or soccer coach set some time aside for each child and have discussions about life? no. so then children teach each other about life at school and daycare and sports. and what do children know? they hurt each other and are cruel for the most part. And as parents pull farther away from their children the cruelty gets worse.

I think the daughters are going to have such an easy time being awesome mom's. My mother threw out my dad and went to work! she did what she wanted and what was best for her not neccessarily what was best for her family. and now I have struggled keeping the house organized. I've struggled in my mind with giving up what I want to do each minute of the day in order to meet all my children's needs. I struggle with my selfishness that i was born with. But Michelle is preparing her girls to be confident and they will thank her for that. I think whatever they decide to do with their lives they will know how to work hard and be happy with any curve ball in life that comes their way-whether they have children or a career or both.

Parenting isn't giving your children everything they want, making sure they always have fun, or making everything perfectly comfortable with no stress, or making sure they always are dressed in high fashion so nobody will make fun of them... Parenting is preparing them for the future. And as adults no matter how much we plan and figure, bad economies come and go, people slander and are cruel, and life gets hard.

I think the duggars are wise. They teach their children principles that will guide them through adulthood so they will be able to make great decisions in all aspects of life.

The duggars aren't selfish. They are selfless. They have given their time and their whole hearts to insure the training up of their children to be prepared for reality.

Ever noticed in the news? all the teen suicides and just plain ole brutality. whether its a dad killing himself and his family or mothers killing their children (besides abortion), or children killing other children.. I think there are lots of children out their growing up without adult guidance. Parenting is more than feeding and clothing. Its one on one talking about life with someone who loves and cares about you.

I'm honestly shocked by all the negative comments about the duggars. The duggars care enough about the world to have children and diligently raise them with morals so they will affect future generations for good.

I think it is funny that someone would find them creepy because their children are good or because they dont scream at their kids. or because they aren't obsessed with their looks.you reap what you sew. they put in the effort and their kids are well behaved. they put in the time and they learned to be patient. they dont watch tv which is constantly trying to sell you something by making you look at yourself and convince you of what you need. they aren't vain..that used to be a virtue. look at all the young adults with image crisis' and eating disorders...little less tv probably would have hindered that.

This family is virtuous. And to those of us who want a little more out of life for our children in a different way-not more things...this family is inspiring!

debra 19 months ago

Janice...Maybe Michelle is related to that 100 foot woman they made a movie about.

Becky...If you think the Duggars are examples of a good and moral family, I'm sorry but I very much disagree with you. You obviously haven't read many of the posts exposing Ma and Pa's hypocrisy, phony purity issues that only apply if they if it's not costing them money. They are like watching the Flintstones only the Flintstones fit into their era...the Duggars don't They are creepy, weird, hypocritical people. Love them if you wish, but they put themselves in the public limelight so they deserve every comment against them they get. If they don't like criticism, then they should have stayed on the Prarie.

Janice 19 months ago

Becky, you seem like a genuinely nice woman but like Debra I have to respectfully disagree with you. Ma and Pa Duggar have drawn a perfect storm of snark because:

1. Their homeschooling standards are abysmal. Michelle doesn't even do the homeschooling, she leaves it to her two oldest daughers. The kids don't spend more than 3 or 4 hours a day actually learning; the rest of the time is spent goofing off, doing housework or interrupting any of the other children that ARE making an honest effort to learn. If you look hard, you'll also see that there are almost no books anywhere in evidence, anywhere in the house. The Duggar children will be hard pressed to get into college or once admitted, to stay there as they can't meet the higher math, science or foreign language requirements. For the same reason, they would also have trouble making livings in the skilled trades-plumber, auto mechanic, electrician, carpenter as these too need at least some knowledge of higher math. Also, many of the newer electrical circuits, as well as cars less than ten years old, are governed by computer chips. To repair these, a technician would need computer literacy to use the diagnostic softwares and interpret their findings. By subjecting their kids to a substandard education the Duggars have set them up for failure. If either parent dies before the last of the kids reaches adulthood, they will be s--- out of luck. There's also the fact that the TLC and personal appearance fees won't last forever. When these dry up what will happen to the Duggars and their children?

2. Ma and Pa use their 5 eldest girls as indentured servants. There's nothing wrong with a family assigning set tasks to each child. But they go beyond that. The girls not only have to get their younger siblings out of bed in the morning, they have to dress the youngest ones, feed them and school them during the day, then repeat the process at night. This is in addition to their cleaning, laundry and cooking duties. Why can't Michelle or JimBob get off their posteriors and do a few loads or laundry themselves? Or cook meals? For that matter, why can't the middle and younger boys do laundry, or clean up around the house? Ma and Pa are enforcing gender differences at the expense of fairness and even basic practicality. tI'm inclined to think that the girls are deliberately kept busy so they can't harbor subversive thoughts (having lives of their own, holding PAYING jobs, getting real educations, etc). None of the Duggar children have friends outside their family circle, 5 of the girls are over 16 yet can't go around in public without chaperones. None of these kids have lives that their parents don't allow them to have. And what they DO have is damn little!

3. People think that the Duggars have a fairly nice standard of lving. What you have to understand is that the internal economy of this family is artificially propped up by the TLC money, personal appearances fees (no, they don't show up for free) and royalties from their books and DVDs. I don't even count their rental properties, because the income from those couldn't support a family of their size unless they happened to own Manhattan or Malibu. But, someday the money from TLC will dry up, once enough viewers lose interest in their show. Unless they have some other way of earning livings, the Duggars will be hurting when that happens.

4. The children are not allowed to watch TV or use the Internet except on limited occasions. I can appreciate the Duggars not wanting their kids to watch "The Jersey Shore" or "Teen Mom". But, most new TVs come standard with V-chips, and computer browsers all have parental controls. They could easily activate the V-chip on a TV or customize the parental controls on a browser to keep certain content out. If they can't do it themselves they could either hire a techie to install custom controls for them, or get their oldest son, who owns a freelance webdesign business, to do it for them. Maybe they're afraid that one of the kids will Google themselves or the family and find out what the public at large really thinks of them.

5. For a family that trumpets modesty, they go out of their way to sexualize their children. Dressing 19 kids in the same (crappy) clothes is guaranteed to draw all eyes just by iitself. Even though men are supposed to be the "authorities", the women and girls are expected to restrain any lascivious urges then men have. Really? Why can't you rein in your own impulses without outside help? If the men are that easily tempted, they have more problems than just the sight of an elbow or collarbone. The girls all have their mobility limited because they can't wear jeans or khaki pants. If these are too radical for the Duggars, what about culottes or palazzo pants? They're loosely-cut enough to preserve the girls' modesty without impairing their movements. And before I forget, what's with the crappy second-hand shoes?

Now, if the Duggars were laboring in obscurity, nobody would know about or be interested in their doings. Once they put their mugs on TV, they made themselves fair game for criticism. JimBob & Michelle weren't dragged onto TLC kicking and screaming, they went voluntarily so they have to take the heat. People are disgusted with their habit of talking the talk but not walking the walk. And by the way, they're not cuddly little bunnies. They associate with the sort of people who, if they were ever entrusted with public office, would abolish many of the sivil and religious liberties we take for granted.

becky 19 months ago

I felt like I read enough posts to get the basic complaints...but honestly i think the complaints are funny and it sounds like most of the people are super angry and I can't quite figure out why. Complaints about what they wear and what they eat just seem a little silly to be angry about. Complaints about their education..I just figure you dont understand homeschooling. I homeschool so I understand how great it is. They will do great. They ought to be very self motivated as we see the boys starting their own things up. And I think its funny you call them hypocritical when most of these comments are bashing them even down to the choice of bow they put on their babies head..They don't have time to be hypocritical..they are focused on am important work-raising their children. I see it all the time someone lives his life a certain way and people get in a bunch about it even though the person isn't looking around and pointing fingers. In their life they see a need to do something and that's it. but people get all upset and accuse the person of judging them.

I dont think they mind the criticism because they dont live to please the masses. They probably chuckle at these types of accusations. I mean look at the news there are real crimes against children out there. They not only speak about respect for life and humanity they live it out.

Becky 19 months ago

Paulie, gonna veer off topic here while the opportunity presents itself. I know this may make you very angry as i see this is the real reason the duggars are so "creepy" to you. but I dont wish you to be angry I wish you to understand. They believe the Bible as I do and it describes hell. If you knew and were convinced in your soul that there was a place of eternal damnation, created by the same being that created everything we see and the rest of the universe we can't see, wouldn't you raise your children to teach them about that super being? And if you truly loved mankind wouldn't you warn them? The Bible asks the followers of Christ to be different and commands them to be as salt and light to the people of earth. So that mankind would be drawn to Christ,And also so that those that reject him will be without excuse. I understand the disgust some have with Christians because to be salt we are to be loving not hateful and not wallowing in sin either. And being loving is speaking the truth in a kind way not necessarily always agreeing with someone. A true Christian doesn't say "i've arrived, now let me tell you all about your sin." A true follower of Christ says "I'm so sinful and have made so many bad decisions and could never deserve anything good from our creator." They would feel so blessed to have their eyes opened to things they never knew about themselves before. And yes they would want to warn others about what was coming in the future and would want to encourage others in the joy that can be had today. The duggars aren't the ones who created hell, they aren't the ones who will be sending anyone there. It was created for the devil and his angels and when mankind fell it was everyones destiny. but God is merciful and made a way for us to be spared of the just punishment. the Bible says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom...THe LOrd uses his word to call people to him and cause them to live a different kind of life. I'm glad the duggar's have the opportunity to be on tv and show the world that different kind of life. Nobody is keeping you from picking up the scriptures or from a prayer for understanding. "Whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." And if you just can't make yourself believe then look up the scenario in the Bible where a man needed to believe to be healed or have a child healed and the LOrd asked him if he believed and he cried out "Lord, help my unbelief!" One of my favorite verses is,"and you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free." i think that's in John 8. I guess that's the jist of what I believe about a lot of things. What about you?

becky 19 months ago

Janice, I really dont think there is much to be concerned about.

1. You can't really homeschool without books. I saw an episode where a middle aged daughter was explaining how she did her reading and then did the rest of her work on a computer program..I had a friend who used the same computer curriculum. It teaches a lesson and does quizzes and tests and keeps grades. It allows parents to easily monitor and reset if the lessons need to be repeated. The only thing i didn't like about going that route was i wondered if it was bad for their eyes.

Its going to be an asset to the older girls having the experience in teaching. They will probably homeschool their own children or maybe they will want to be teachers. they will be more prepared and confident.

As for the trades some of them like plumber for example you do apprenticeships. my husband is a carpenter and on the side he is an insurance adjuster. he had two years of college but no higher math. he does extremely well. makes more than i thought he and i together could make. (I have to say though that probably has more to do with the Lord's provision than anything else) Regardless of what the elite say in this country you dont always have to go to college to make a nice living but you do have to be honest, dependable, and a hard worker.

2.-3. Im sure the duggar parents aren't sitting around. its good for the children to work. they are learning a lot doing it. it is really good for them. I'm sure the chaperone thing is for their protection. I would do the same for my daughter. too many crazies out there and now they are celebrities. A parents number one priority is to protect.

They seem very frugal..They too probably realize this show wont go on forever so they probably are saving most of it. THey are playing it smart.

4. We dont watch much tv at our house either if I had my way I'd blow up the thing. its not just the outrageous shows you listed but when you are home with the kids all day you get sick of their nasty little comments to each other and the hatefulness. And if you watch any given cartoon out there its full of children being disrespectful to adults and making parents out to be idiots and being hateful to other children...there's a lot to not watch...so i just dont turn it on.

5. In society women say they want to be respected and they dont want to be treated as a sex object yet they uncover themselves to get attention. THese girls will be able to find someone who will love them for who they are not just their bodies. just another protection the parents have set up for them. Most studies show that men are more sight oriented in the sexual realm and women more touch..thats what i've heard anyway..so why is it so wrong for the boys to be held accountable. Siblings hold each other accountable anyway.

I think these children will grow up having a healthy view of sex. They will know how to respect it and also how to enjoy it in a trusting loving relationship. their parents are a great example of a committed and loving couple.

And I think they have a clear understanding of God given rights and wouldn't mess with those.

debra 19 months ago

Paulie...Thanks for the name of Herb Baumeister. I knew that meister was in his name but not the first part. Also, as far as the Duggars and their hellfire beliefs go, well I used to believe in that but gave it up to keep my sanity. I can't believe a loving God, who I don't believe in now, would torture people for eternity. Becky, if you're gonna support hellfire, then own it. Don't try to push it off on God and say he's the one condemning us to hell. If you believe it and are promoting it then it's your belief too and you support it because you believe in the hellfire God.

Just because the kids aren't beaten or yelled at doesn't mean they aren't abused. Yes, I'm angry that a 11+ year old girl is forced to watch, feed, dress, read to, bathe, teach, and take care of a child as if she were his/her mother. Helping out is one thing, but being the kids primary caregiver is something else. And, don't tell me the girls do it voluntarily...I don't believe it. They've never been given the opportunity to live any other way. And besides, if the girls don't watch the younger kids, who will? Jimboob said that things got easier for Michelle after the 7th kid was born. Why? Well, just watch and see who's watching the kids...it isn't Ma and Pa. They just give rules and regulations for others to follow. They don't follow them much themselves.

Becky...A healthy view of sex? Not with their no touchy, not looky attitude they have about it. If they want the kids to have a healthy attitude towards sex, then quit trying to keep them from seeing what's going on in the world. I don't mean they have to expose their kids to hard core porn, but to think a young man will never see a girl in a low cut dress or tight jeans is ludicrous. And for girls to think it's their responsibility to keep a man from thinking about such things is ridiculous. There are men who get turned on when women wear sandals or long hair or any number of things a woman wears or does. Out in the real world these temptations won't go away just because you close your eyes and look away...the image is already implanted in the brain.

I've known lots of big families who I respected and liked. I think we should try to limit our family size because the planet can't supply our voracious needs if we all produced like the Duggars. Fortunately, most Americans don't want a big family ir can't have a big family because of financial or time factors. It takes a lot of money and time to raise children and most of us don't have TV shows, books, internet sites to do it. We have to work at jobs to pay our way in life.

Being frugal is one thing but being cheap is another. The only reason this family gets to go on trips is because TLC picks up the bill. Can anyone imagine Jimboob picking up a restaurant bill for 20 hungry mouths? Why can't the kids get anything with that money? I mean, without them who would watch Ma and Pa? Zero kids and counting? That's not a show title that draws people to the program. I've likened them to zoo animals that are kind of strange looking...you're both repelled and enticed to look because you can't believe such creatures actually exist in the modern world...same can be said for the Duggars. It's hard to believe such backward people exist in the world.

I hope you're right about the kids growing up okay, Becky. But I really doubt they will be. You are just seeing what you want to see, in my opinion, and not what's under really there. They put on the goody two shoes look but there's a sinister evil going on below the surface. I think there's something terribly wrong with this family and they might be able to fool many people, but they aren't fooling some of us.

Janice 19 months ago

Becky, I too hope that you're right about the children turning out okay. What posters here don't like is how the parents of this family have stacked the odds against their own kids.

There is nothing wrong with homeschooling DONE RIGHT. I've known homeschooling families that did a great job with their children. However, teaching the children is Michelle's job, not that of her daughters. They also depend heavily on parking the kids in front of a computer, and for only 3-4 hours a day, at that. Sorry, but the Duggars are NOT doing a good job homeschooling their children. Computer programs are supposed to be a supplement, not a substitute for in-classroom teaching by a professional.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with asking kids to pitch in around the house, and help the younger ones to dress in the morning/get ready for bed at night. But the chores fall unevenly on the shoulders of the girls. You don't see the middle or younger boys doing laundry, or cleaning up the bedrooms (why do the girls have to clean their parents' bedroom; can't JimBob or Michelle do that for themselve?). You also don't see any of the older boys making breakfast. The excuse is that they're working outside around the house, but most of those tasks are ones that can be done weekly, not daily. On top of that, the 5 oldest girls are expected to teach, keep track of and generally raise the youngest members of the family. Again, since JimBob and Michelle are home almost all of each day, why can't they take charge. The younger siblings were given birth to by Michelle, not by her daughters and she should own it. I agree with Debra that these girls are not putting up with the crud detail voluntarily, but because they were indoctrinated into it at an early age. Of course they're going to agree since none of them are aware that they can say NO.

Becky you mentioned that the children should do great in business because the 2 oldest boys already run businesses of their own. However, both of those were turn-key operations given to them by their father. How many more such enterprises do you think JimBob has to offer his kids. Also, the area where the Duggars live is neither large nor densely populated. The customer base to support more plumbers, electricians, locksmiths, auto mechanics, etc. just isn't large enough. Some of those children will have to migrate from their hometown to make livings.

I hope you don't think that a woman wearing jeans, tank tops or short-sleeved t-shirts is lascivious. I have to tall you that by those standards, I'm an industrial strength sinner. Yet, nobody paws me or leers when I go out, nor do I need a chaperone. I'm talking about Jana who is almost 21, Jill who is 19 and Jessa who is 18, being encumbered even though they're legal adults, with duennas when they go out. If the Duggars are so certain of their childrearing, they can afford to lengthen the leash. It's all about marriagability; if the fundie boys they hope to attract as husbands for these girls think the wares have already been samples, there goes their market value. The problem is not that boys are being held accountable for their urges, but that they're NOT. The girls and women have to do it for them because they can't be trusted to exercise self-restraint on their own.

Sorry if we seem vehement on the subject, but the Duggars belong to the Quiverful movement which in turn advocates extremely scary policies and supports even scarier politicians. I've seen extreme religious rhetoric trickle down from the fringes (where it should

be) into mainstream political discourse. And the Duggars themselves have a taste for reactionary politics. In 2002 when JimBob was trying to get nominated for Senator from Arkansas, he and Rick Santorum, a semi-Cro Magnon

from Pennsylvania, attempted to co-author a bill which would have outlawed ALL birth control in this country, even for married couples. So yes, I object to religious reactionaries sticking their noses in my business and trying to limit or eliminate my freedoms. I'm also less than fond of people who support or subsidize them. By the way, I didn't call Mr. Santorum a Neanderthal as real ones were actually more evolved than him.

becky 19 months ago

Debra and Janice, thats a lot to unpack.a few thoughts...

It seems in America now anything can be deemed abuse..whats your ideal parent? its really kind of confusing...

A healthy view of sex to me is one that the Bible describes..healthy is safe to me. between man and woman. committed marriage. with the wife of your youth. with someone who loves you not just loves sex. not with anyone who comes along. When you teach children that sex is beautiful, necessary, exciting and pleasurable and also give guidelines of no look no touch before marriage it prepares them for loyalty in their own marriage and that equals happier people. I'm sorry no one wins with betrayal and divorce. Children should also understand that sex results in children. You ought to be ready to have some if you are ready to have sex. It's something to be wise about. And people for the most part now a days do not think of it as a serious decision. I think the duggars understand that. look at all the children without parents, broken homes, and rampant disease.

I've recently learned about the quiverful movement..a very close friend kinda joined the movement if you want to call it that. I have kinda come to some of the same conclusions in my life, but dont really like to follow anything except Christ. Dont want any one certain choice to define me unless it is following Christ. for example I'm a christian that does not celebrate christmas or easter but I dont want that to define me. The only times I seriously thought of never having anymore children were 1. i was so mad at my husband I thought I would never have any children with that man again!!! but that was such a hateful thought..not submissive in the least. my flesh just rising up in rebellion. and 2. my kids overwhelm me to the point of my brain going numb sometimes..and I think I can't do this..then I think..thats right I can't! but God can and thats what he promises..that he will perform the works he calls us to. Children are the means of communicating the gospel to the next generation. or in scripture called a heritage of the Lord.

I am pro-life obviously. I wish we could do away with harming unborn children. I have two sisters who mourn their aborted babies. You can see the effects abortion has had on society there is a lack of respect for life. I've always found it very inconsistant that a teen can go down and abort her baby the day before she gives birth, but if she puts her baby in a trash can right after birth she is hauled off to prison..i feel sad for young people..its soooo confusing. Either we have the right to decide which innocents live or die or we don't. It's a very slippery slope.If I could legally do away with that I would. we will be judged harshly as a nation for shedding innocent blood.

but, I will not go so far as some christians to say that we ought to get in office and make heaven on earth. We can't. there is too much sin. Christ will come back and will set up his kingdom. We cannot purge the world of sin.No man is ever gonna fix the world's ills. Only Christ can do that. I'm not familiar with what the duggar's were trying to do exactly in politics so hard to comment on that.

We still wear pants in our home but I am trying to weed it out somewhat...its hard to explain why. my daughter has to keep her little bottom covered if she wears jeans. she has all these boys here everyday so she's a tree climbing, inventive building little girl as well as the pretty princess she is. I buy her skirts with leggings and culottes too. Mostly I've seen so much confusion in society and quite near and dear to me that I just thought maybe these dress wearing christians are on to something...Its sad people can't embrace what they are as a woman or a man. Our bodies were created so differently. yet we look out and think the grass is greener on the other side. I dont want my children to battle such confusion. I want them to feel blessed and see the devine purpose in the way they were created.

I know you dont believe the duggars care about their children's happiness. but they do. its not the kind of instant gratifying kind of happiness..its just something completely different.

debra 19 months ago

Paulie....I used to be a "born again" and, as I already stated, the guilt, misery, fear of hellfire, sin, never measuring up finally made me realize I just couldn't take it anymore and left the church for good. I too was raised to say please and thank you, respect elders, do my chores etc. But, my siblings and I were given a lot of leeway in who we hung out with and where we went. I lived in a small town so I couldn't do too many things wrong without someone finding out and reporting back to my Mom or Dad.

Becky...you seem like a really nice gal and I hope you don't feel guilty for not wanting anymore kids. This whole Quiverful movement is just as creepy as the Duggar family is. I heard a preacher say a Quiverful is what you want...if you want 1 kid then that's your quiverful. If you want 10 then that's your quiverful. The Duggars, and others like them, have taken a perfectly good scripture about determining your own family size and twisted it to support family breeding without any consideration for the children who are already here, and so desperately need their parents attention and love.

Becky I wondered why it doesn't bother you that 11+ year old girls are raising little ones? Now that is not normal and I don't care what anyone says. Remember the girl named J Z who was kidnapped as a 12 year old and forced to have 2 babies with that weirdo? She lived in a tent in the yard and her 2 kids got the best education they could from a 12 year old. But, they didn't get the best education they could have gotten given the unusual way they were being raised. The little Duggar kids are only getting an education from their older sisters or their dimwit of a mom. Read what Biology nerd has to say about the Duggar family...he makes a lot of sense.

becky 19 months ago

Paulie, You sound like had an excellent upbringing no doubt..THose are all the things I want my children to learn as well.

But when God changes your heart..you see yourself for what you are deep down. The Bible clearly states that there is no one good. my struggles are with my flesh As paul's were in scripture. In my head I see what I ought to be but struggle obtaining that. THere is a battle for Christians. I think in galations the Bible describes battle armour you out to wear. THe goodness that God wants to develop in a person is a thing that humans cannot attain on their own completely. It is always being able to forgive the most horrible things. It is being so meek that no matter what anybody says your flesh and anger doesn't rise up. well let me quote from galations 5. verse17-26..For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: an these are contrary the one to the other:so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleaness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders,drunkenness, reevellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. And keep in mind early in scripture Christ clarified for the Pharisees..If a man looketh on a woman and lust after her he commits adultery in his heart.. it is all about the heart. So yes Christians battle. If you are unaware of the battle you are blind to who you are and to God's expectations. God has extremely high expectations that we cannot attain but because he is merciful and gives grace..he also says come unto me those are weak and I will give rest because his burden is light! that seems contrary but this discussion we are having a bout the duggars is the example. In your own self righteousness you roast them for how they dress and how they teach their children. But the Lord fully knows our heart that we cannot understand or do what he expects and lovingly afflicts and trains like a loving parent and weeds away the desires of the flesh. a human will not attain God's perfect holiness here on earth but will be completely changed when God returns. You probably think most Christians are hypocrits because they all of them sin and yet promote the Bible. A real Christian does not ever say he has arrived he totally understands who he is and will be for the rest of his time on earth. He has a God given humility. He is engaged in a battle.And he must battle and must keep looking to the word to teach him what he ought to be and also must be in continual prayer for strength and guidance. But there is more and it is the most important part and a lot of Christians miss this..The whole point of the Bible is to show you who you are and that you will never attain the goodness you need to enter heaven on your own. THats why God sent his Son to pay the penalty for our sin... THis is the ultimate showing of mercy and a gift of grace bestowed to anyone who hears the word and believes. Nobody will stand befor the Lord and say let me in because I was a good person, or I was a person who fulfilled the law. Let me quote matthew to see what God will say to some very good people as they stand before him. matthew 7:21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shal enter into the kingdome of heaven; but he that doesth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Anyone who trusts in their own righteousness will be cast away..even if they did good things using the name of Christ. The real point of the Bible is to show us Christ's goodness and for us to cling to it and give praise to Him and glorify Him. Jesus Christ came to earth and lived a perfect life thus was the only one who could pay the penalty. Man has a built in snare...each is born with a flesh that seeks to satisfy itself and be content in itself. The Bible talks of Grace and this is received in his mercy. God's grace is what opens our eyes to understand spiritual things..to see the battle, to engage in it. He gives faith to believe on His righteousness. All of these bind us to Him. We are set apart. But would anyone know it if we lived like everyone else on the planet? God's mercy to the world is that he saves and causes His children to live differently. They will be salt and light to call others. I dont personally know the duggars..we get to peek into their life. They could be self righteous I dont know. but I know that I am drawn to them because of fruit they exhibit. patience, gentleness...As a christian who wants to teach my children about the fruit that God desires what other shows can i put on? even tv g will not copme up with that. cartoons exhibit hateful children who speak cruelly and backbite. this is todays humor. they show parents to be without authority and stupid.-this is the undoing of the fabric of society. without authority we cannot be civilized.

well I could go on forever about the Lord's mercies to us and how the world contrasts that. I realize this is off topic :) but if you have any questions I started a blog to try to talk about this. flowersthatfade@blogspot.com

becky 19 months ago

Debra, I am not a quiverful follower..It just sits weird with me to take one thing a make it the end and be all of Christ. God wants to be gloryified not something he asks us to do..It is natural to man to want to say as children do.."Look what I can do!!!" but I'm also not gonna say God isn't calling people to have many children. In the Bible children are a blessing and even a reward. I know many people who can't have children..for some reason God did not allow it. I look at some of those people and realize they would have been a way better parent than I..and I dont understand why I have so many. My body could have as well malfunctioned. I do know that the Lord's will is always done. So I consider the Children I do have as such a blessing even though I am weak and feel overwhelmed much of the time. I couldn't imagine raising them without the comfort of the Lord and his word. For the record it isn't really a struggle for me to have or not to have. I am satisfied if this is all the children I get. And I will be satisfied to work even harder If I have more. With the economy my husband has had to go off to another state to work. and honestly he has always worked many hours a week to support us because we were not wise with finances like the duggars. So I will probably not have anymore anytime soon...I totally believe that God has control of my womb. I'm not gonna join a movement to declare that. He is in control of everything whether we praise him for that or not. I think it kind of silly to say...I'm giving God control of my womb! He allows people's minds to be void of him and they kill their offspring. Just as he allows some to completely embrace motherhood. Or a barren woman to embrace womanhood and be a help to others around her.

I do not believe in a magic number of children to be a perfect home. It seems having only one child would make it possible to turn out a perfect person but it doesn't children need to be around other children and interact and be disciplined at the same time. that's why I believe homeschooling to be a great thing for children. outside the home they are around lots of other children but their isn't enough guidance and children are cruel to each other and have even murdered each other. But in the home especially one with lots of children they are able to treat each other poorly and be corrected and trained by someone who loves them. If your child is outside the home you have to be extra diligent to know all the ins and out of your child at school. and know about all their interactions to guide them. and not let some other child( whose parent might have forsaken them as far as training goes) have the most influence. I'm not saying it can't be done. With 7 I couldn't send my kids away and stay on top of all that. This is more important to me then if they become a genius. There are lots of very intelligent people out there who throw it away to satisfy their natural lusts..What good is knowledge if you have no character to guide it.

Some have mentioned that the duggars live off the state..Jim bob has rental propertys that pull in money and they are probably banking most of their tlc money. but what i want to say that is if your children are in state schools then you are using state money as well..I spend between 1 or 2 thousand a year on books and supplies for my children and thats reusing the curriculum that my older children used. Those girl's aren't doing everything you have to remember you don't see everything. Just like a teacher at school you look at the lesson in the curriculum and either do exactly what it says you ought to do to convey the lesson or you put a little of your own flare on it...around 3rd fourth grade your child does most of their work on their own. Once you have the basics your learning takes off. The teachers unions have everyone believeing only a teacher can teach your children.They have to keep the public believing this or they would be without jobs. If you love your child and you can read or play a video for higher science and math then you can teach your child anything. God has equipped you with a love for your child that will motivate you to help them succeed. Teachers present material and give tests and record the grades. They do not have the time or energy to care and make everone succeed.

If I believed the girls were really doing everything it would bug me but I know they dont do everything. You wouldn't be upset about a 14-18 yr old that went out and had a job after school to help get them ready for a career. What you are really opposed to is what kind of job they have. they aren't working\volunteering as a candy striper at a hospital in hopes one day to be a doctor or nurse. They are preparing to be a mother. and that is offensive to women in our society..think about it. you think these girls are being brainwashed...brianwashed to be a mother! I think in our society that the brainwashing has went the other way. naturally mothers mother.My real struggles as a mother are fending off the feminism plastered every where saying you are wrong for being at home. you want to talk about not measurning up??? Try measuring up to self righteous feminism. I ought to have a full time carreer, have an immaculate home, only 2 children-a boy and a girl(so that I can keep the home immaculate),all the shopping for the family, having all the meals taken care of and!!! be the sexiest woman alive and have the energy of a 20 year old.!!! Should I just give up on my family because I can't measure up??? believe me I have thought about it!!! I've even told my kids "I'm running away from home!!" but,God's yoke is easy, his burden is light! His expectations are not as outrageous and he doesn't expect me to do it all by myself. He doesn't expect the super woman that the world does because he loves me. Thats why I would never run from God and why I will always love him back. His word has every encouragment for every situation and helps me to go on when life gets hard.

As for the girls and Jc...I think it depraved to compare the two that way. I think that's what overall i've tried to point out. You act as if the duggars are abusing their children and you point out here a child who really was criminally abused..You can't see the truth or the difference. I hope nobody holds you up to your own standard if you have children. jc's girls learned in that stunted life..the duggars have a flurrishing home and obviously will learn more than the average child at public school. i've already discussed all the benifits of homeschooling. Believe whatever is convenient to you.

debra 18 months ago

Paulie...Depending on where you were born is a great determiner of what your religious belief will most likely be. If you were born in America you're more likely to be Christian. If you were born in India, you would worship Vishnu, Brahman and Shiva, who, BTW, are trinitarian in nature. Actually the trinity of gods appears in quite a few religions. It's just that the Christian sheeple are kept ignorant by the preachers who might lose their flock if they found out that the Bible wasn't the first to teach the doctrine.

Also, I became a Universalist Christian before I finally became an atheist/agnostic. Unis believe, and they use scriptures to prove it, that all men/women will one day be in heaven. The SDA believe in annilation and they use scriptures to prove it. And then you have the mainline churches who generally believe in hellfire where unjust people go to be tortured forever. Lovely.

Those people who say the Bible is easy to understand haven't read it much or studied it much. Or, they think there's only one way to interpret it and that way is their way. But, that doesn't help if you have major problems with their interpretation. Now, if I read the Bible at all, it's just for entertainment. I would never read it again as a holy book to be revered. Actually, there are a lot of funny things in the Bible and yes, there are a few jems of wisdom every now and then. But, you have to trapse through a Labyrinth of dull details, boring geneologies, senseless wars to find them.

Refreshed 18 months ago

It is refreshing to see the discourse of paulie, debra, janice, and becky over the past 30 or so posts. It shows that people with opposing views in this country can still debate with reason, intelligence and kindness. I usually never comment on anything, and as Paulie once said, I like to stand to the side, hear everything everyone says and judge on ones actions.

On the many news, sports, political and social issues that have comment sections, the stories that always have the most comments are the stories that have gray issues. I hope both sides can agree that the Duggar family, along with the aforementioned, etc are not black and white...but gray.

I think what most pro and anti-Duggars can agree on - is that there is SOMETHING "weird" about them. Whatever your definition of weird is. But to say this family 100% correct or wrong is ludicrous.

There is no parenting guide 101. Every family is different. I do not hate the Duggars. I do not know what goes on behind the scenes either. I wish them the best. They seem happy. But who's to say off camera one or two of them (which is statistically true) is gay? Who's to say one of the girls wants to cut her hair? Who's to say one of the boys sneaks into the bathroom to do what most 12 year old boys do?

One thing is certain though. When you isolate yourself from nearly ALL outside influences - you have the tendency to be anti-social, intolerant, bigoted, racist, hate spewing, cultist and ignorant of other cultures, religions, ethnicities, and sexual orientations. And along those lines is why many "not-so-religious" people or agnostics or atheists or off-the-wagon Christians claim the above. None of those traits seem to be very Christian-like.

Going any further would devoid the value of input the previous 30 posts or so have already covered. I'd just be repeating other through myself and continuing the circle of black and white while trying to conceive the gray.

Alice 18 months ago

I'm so glad that people have the opportunity to see a family that lives out the words of the Lord, "Be holy, as I am holy." And, knowing that they are saved to live a holy life, they honor the Savior by being "weird" to the world and doing what they see is set apart and holy for Him.

It is VERY foreign to the world around them, and yet they have the faith of children, not the sophistication of the world, and the commitment to the Creator to give their lives to Him. How much easier it will be for the children to give their lives, having had opportunities for service in their own safe home. Let's save our concern for the overworked children of the world for the ones who actually suffer.

I'm thankful that they have the love and involvement of a present father and mother, and won't be tempted to seek out same-sex relationships--another "weird" concept to the world, that God would actually care enough to prohibit behavior that destroys.

"Do not be surprised when the world hates you; don't you know that it hated Me before it hated you?" I think the Duggars are ok with this, although they likely had no idea people could hate them to this extent before they agreed to do this show.

It's hard for me to find where the Duggars are intolerant, bigoted, racist, and especially hate-spewing (that makes me smile, you have to visit a site like this to find hate-spewing and Duggars on the same page). Just another example of people being unable to handle the convictions of others--why? guilt?

Certainly makes for interesting reading, though. God bless.

sdflkasj 18 months ago

they are having another kid!! haha these creepers are just overpopulating the world.

Becky 18 months ago

Paulie,

Isn't it quite a contradiction to distrust people and to believe they are motivated by selfish reasons and say that man hasn't reached close enough to perfection but then say your religious belief is that goodness and peace is found within ones self. Its very interesting. Its almost like you are saying you understand and trust yourself to be good and peaceful but not anyone else. I think you found the God within.

Becky 18 months ago

Debra,

Do you like mysteries? Matthew Chap 13 is quite entertaining if you do. understanding doesn't come with how much you read or how you interpret. Its a gift.

Alice  18 months ago

Where is Christ mentioned as tolerant of sin? Go and sin no more, he said. He did not leave people where they were. He found them in their sin, and brought them out of it. And He WAS without sin, and could have cast the first stone. You see, He loves us too much to leave us in our sin, missing out on His glory (an old fashioned word, but one that means the fulfillment of all our dreams, conscious or unconscious.

People who live the gay lifestyle are a result of their environment. Sadly, it is becoming so easy to fall into this lifestyle, with the breakdown of the family and the rejection of God. In the name of tolerance, we don't speak out against what God calls a perversion and went so far as to destroy a couple of cities over.

Go to a "gay" person. Say, "Tell me about your upbringing."

What do you hear?

Alice  18 months ago

Our "evolution" will only be either inTO the image of Christ, or away FROM the image of Christ. Only through him, and the power of the Spirit, can I be to others what I need to be. In His followers, He is making all things new! (Not in pew-warmers, who damage His Church and it's work by calling themselves by His name but living the way of the world, selfishly.)

It's hard choice, and one the Duggars are living out every day, however imperfectly. If you're not talking about their hypocrisy, then say so. It's other so-called Christians you have a problem with.

becky 18 months ago

Paulie all the failures of mankind you are talking about are what is described of man in the Bible. so you agree on that point. man is not good.

but you also believe man is good and a god can be found within each of us..but that goodness must be cultivated.

but what really bugs you with Christianity is the battle to be good.

So individuals should work to cultivate the goodness within themselves but Christians should not work to do the goodness found in the Bible.

I'm sorry, all of that is contradictory. but not too complicated to understand where you are coming from.

I dont find it complicated at all..If everybody does what is right in their own eyes then their is no condemnation or guilt. this is also a fundamental or natural instinct. It is just more comfortable to say there is a God within me and I'm going to listen to him. Its like a child plugging his ears and telling his parent,"I dont have to do what you say" And children say things like that because they dont understand a parent makes a rule for protection and love. children dont care about the whys they just want what they want.

And I'm sure it is very uncomfortable to see other people saying no there isn't a god in all of us. THere is one Creator and we are ultimately responsible to Him. And then when you see them living differently from the world-saying that is what the Creator commands...well thats just ruining your comfortable little place. Now you have to cover your eyes and plug your ears.

you say...

"There's a lot of distrust out there and so people turn to the one thing that they believe will not betray them and when something bad happens, they then have to believe it was a higher will and it is beyond their understanding."

The other people in the world turn to the one thing they think will not betray them...themselves..But God says mans heart is desparately wicked who can know it. maybe this is the real reason for suicide and self destructive behavior.

Christians are taught to see sin in themselves and to turn from it. In order to love others as themself and this is how they show love for God.

The Bible is a reflective tool. It shows one God's goodness and their own wickedness. One will only turn from the ugliness within if they see it for themselves. But it seems when you look out all you see is the sin in everyone else.

yes what you believe and acknowledge is a statement of how the world functions..people want to do what feels good to them and they dont want anyone messing up their comfort zone by making them feel bad about what they want. And so people like the duggars, who live a simple and harmless life, who devote all their energy to just being with their children, are viewed as weird, creepy, possibly abusive. But it is because their very way of living disrupts so many people's comfort in themselves. The way they exist endangers your happiness in the joy you have in your own goodness. Because they follow the Bible (no one does it perfectly but they try)they are a living mirror. Thats why some can't sit through an episode. You are forced to look at yourself when you see them.

debra 18 months ago

Quote from Alice: I'm so glad that people have the opportunity to see a family that lives out the words of the Lord, "Be holy, as I am holy."

Alice, they are about as holy as a piece of swiss cheese.

They take advantage of other people, they use people, they got on the Today show and any other show that will have them, if the fee is right. They only allow a certain amount of very supervised internet usage yet have their own webpage selling all the snake oil products they can think of to sucker people out of their money.You, Alice, judge their "holiness" by how they appear. I judge it by how they really are.

Alice also said: It is VERY foreign to the world around them, and yet they have the faith of children, not the sophistication of the world,

Hey, you're right there, Alice. Both Ma and Pa are pretty childish and immature as far as I can tell. Who said they had to be sophistocated? I'm not, yet I'm not so out of touch that I stick my head in the sand and ignore worldy things that bother me or cause me irritation. They do with their telling the girls to inform the boys when an image of a worldly girl appears. It's perfectly normal for a boy to notice that girls are different from them. And hey, even if she is dressed a little provocatively that would be a perfect teaching moment, not a hide your head in the sand moment.

Becky said: The Bible is a reflective tool. It shows one God's goodness and their own wickedness. One will only turn from the ugliness within if they see it for themselves. But it seems when you look out all you see is the sin in everyone else.

Becky, have you ever read the Bible? I mean REALLY read it. Not just do a few Bible studies on selected verses, or listen to your preacher give a 20 minute sermon. I mean sit down and read it with a critical, logical, thinking mind? Well, I have and not just once or twice but many many times. Maybe you don't have time with 7 kids, but you should really try to do it next year. Write in the margins, as I did, all the questions you find and contradictions you find. My Bible is full of markings and when I asked the preacher some of my heartfelt questions, he just laughed and made a joke about it. He couldn't answer my questions either. I've found all the preachers and christians I've asked can't answer them. Did you ever notice that the Bible God looks just like us? I think God was made in mans image, not man in Gods image. He's petty, angry, jealous, vincictive, revengeful. And it seems that he doesn't administer justice fairly either. It's a pretty sad God who demands standards from people he won't adhere to himself.

Becky 18 months ago

Debra, for about 20 years I read the Bible how you imagine I read it. But my heart spiritually wasn't alive..I am reading through with the children now. a couple times a day. We did the new testament first and are almost through the Old. so, no, I've never read the whole thing..Yet :) but now I can barely pick it up without crying seeing God's goodness to me. I rejoice in how perfectly He has made everything, and that everything that happens is in His plans.

I do not disagree with you and paulie on some things..religion is exploited and used to do evil things. People should study and know what they believe. The Bible even tells us to study so as not to be ashamed. I'm not just blindly following anyone except Christ. I want to know for my ownself if the things I've been taught to do are actually asked of God or just tradition of man. If you are wrapped up in traditions you aren't going to take time to read and study and be changed. I just didn't want that for myself or for my children. I want them to see the real Christ. I agree there are a bunch of hypocrits running around. And the hypocrits are the ones who Jesus really got angry with. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus was always quiet. Although I dont think Christians ought to go around demanding things. But here in America we do have the freedom to voice our opinions just like liberals do.

Paulie your agravation with hysterical, arrogant,fanatical christians in politics probably matches my aggravation with homosexuals in politics trying to cram their sexuality down everyones throats..how funny you can't speak Christ's name in a public school but you can teach k-5 students about homosexual sex! Obviously sex is their religion its all they think about and publically speak about..So I know your frustration..Why would I want my children to think something that is so devastating to the human body to be normal. Look up statistics on infection. If most people were homosexual mankind would die altogether. It is the highest act of rebellion against the natural order that God created. Closely following behind that is killing ones offspring. THe Duggars believe in quite the opposite. They just are real and go a step further than slapping a prolife bumper sticker on. They live out what they believe. I understand why they could be offensive to some. Most christians dont mind running around saying I'm this or that but they don't live it out.

Paulie did you say you listened to Joel Owsteen?? if you can't stand evangelists who are hucksters...why would you listen to him...He's selling a prosperity gosple. God doesn't promise a perfect every desire is yours life. yet that's what he teaches. What doesn an evangelist have to gain if he preaches the truth about hell? You are listening to what makes you feel good about yourself..totally sidestepping truth. My pastor recently explained it like this..If you went to a regular checkup and a doctor discovered you had a very bad advanced stage cancer would you want him to worry about if your feelings would get hurt and if you would come back to him if he told you the truth? or would you want him to just tell you the truth and help you? Don't most people hope to hear the truth about their health? Now think about that spiritually..It would be easy for someone to tell you that you are a great person..it is much harder telling the truth and risking someone walking right away from them in an effort to not hear bad news.

In the little world I grew up in I've seen more than my share of diversity of life. I've seen devastation in lives void of God and authority. And I've see Hypocrisy of great magnatude in people who claim to be knowledgable and religious. But I've also seen humble people who love God and love his words. They would never lift themselves up to put others down.

Debra, I'm glad you studied and wrote out your questions I wish you would have kept asking! I know how frustrating that can be. When I have come across something that is too hard to swallow in the word..I think about John chap 6 where many disciples leave off following Christ and He turns to Peter and says will you also walk away, And peter says where else would he go..Christ has the words of eternal life...paraphrasing obviously..And that's what I say too..

debra 18 months ago

Becky you said you're reading the Bible to your children. Can you tell me how you explained these verses to your children?

Gen.22:1-18 where Abraham is told by God to murder his own son?

Jd.21:10-24 where the Jews killed all the inhabitants of Jabesh-Gilead, especially women who had had sex with a man. The Bible isn't clear how you would know such a thing, but it could be a married woman with a child was evidence she had sex with a man. Doesn't this sound repugnant to you, Becky?

I have a lot more examples of murder, rape, incest, cannibalism, slavery that are spoken of in the Bible with approval from God.

Paulie...I agree with you about putting on my big girl panties. Thinking differently isn't approved of by many people these days. I personally like the fact that I don't think like most people. I never have and never will. This can be lonely at times since I'm often misunderstood. I admit I have my biases too, but I believe we all do. I need a lot of evidence before I give up my cherished beliefs. But, I will give them up if I'm proven wrong.

I certainly don't want to go back to the days when gays and blacks were 2nd class citizens. Even if Christians disagree with their lifestyle, why can't they just live and let live? I wonder how many people have been harmed irreparably by religious bigots who only hated them for their sexual orientation or skin color? I suppose the number would be too hard to count, but it's probably high.

Becky...I haven't stopped asking. I still enjoy religion and especially Christianity. In fact, I'm on a christian forum that allows atheists their own rooms. I plan on starting a Bible study for atheists in January. I don't know if it will go anywhere or not, online Bible studies tend to fizzle out rather quickly. A few people have shown interest in the Bible study so we'll see. I think it's important to have a rudimentary understanding of the Bible simply because so many terms and stories we use in our everyday life come from that book.

Becky 18 months ago

Debra there isn't too much to explain its all there, But I will try to explain how it came across to me...

First off I read the Bible with an understanding that God is Creator of the Universe. All systems we see in the study of the world work intricately together and are perfectly insync and run in accordance to His will. Knowing this I can completely trust that He knows better than I. Any decision He makes must be the best decision because He knows the end in which he is working to. Abraham saw and spoke with angels on many occasions concerning Sodom and Gomorrah begging God to spare it for souls there that were still loyal to the Lord. There were never as many as Abraham hoped. He saw the smoke rise from the cities after God rained fire from the sky. He was given a child from the Lord even in his wife and his old age. Abraham had seen that God was real he had every reason to be obedient. In the very first verse God says why He asked that of Abraham.."God did tempt Abraham." in verse 12 it says why God tested Abraham, "now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." More importantly in this passage is Where abraham tells Isaac, "God will provide himself a lamb." Then there is a ram stuck in a thicket for Him to offer up. vs 18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." Christ will come through Abraham's seed. About everything in the Old Testament is a picture of Christ. All plays out a story of mankind in its sinfulness and The Savior. I explain to my children that God wants us to love him above all else. In other passages God talks about Baal worship and the most hated thing about worshippers of Baal is that they sacrificed their children to their gods. My daughter read in her history a few months ago that Baal worshippers sacrificed twins and children with any deformities. Sounds a lot like our culture... I also explain that we will never be good enough or be able to have a sacrifice to appease God's wrath. But God has provided a lamb in Christ His Son.

Becky 18 months ago

Concerning Judges 21:10-24, Its funny you bring this one up because, this is one of the things that was hard to swallow for me..but, God gave me peace when I read on. I think it important to take in more than a few verses to get what is going on in this passage. This one really starts back in Chap 19. A man's wife runs off back to her father. He goes to try to get her to come home. He lingers there As the Father is very kind to him and keeps wanting him to stay. after a few days he leaves..they keep traveling til just about dark. the husband wants to stay in an Israeli town so they keep going. They stop in a city of Benjamin. Nobody seems to be around though to take them in til they meet a man that bids them to come out of the street. Homosexual men come beating down the door demanding they send out this husband so they can have him. they are begged not to do this thing that is wicked. so they offer them the daughter and the wife of the traveling husband. they take the wife and abuse her all night and by morning she dies. the man cuts her up and sends her to all the tribes of israel and has them come and meet to see what shall be done to these men that killed the woman. they decide to go kill the "sons of belial" to rid Israel of that evil. tribe of Benjamin does not give them up so they kill almost all of that city. later they are upset that they may have wiped out the whole tribe of Benjamin. There were a couple oaths made. No women of the tribes that went against benjamin would be given to them to marry. Then the oath that whoever did not go up to rid the evil would be killed. Jabesh Gilead did not go up. If you read the Bible then you know how God feels about oaths..its just best not to make one! If you do, you better keep it. So they fulfilled their oaths as God gave them the victory. They saved virgins from Jabesh Gilead which would help restore the tribe of Benjamin. I wanted my children to see how God sees things. He alone gets to decide whats right and wrong. And even though he is merciful, He is also just. He punishes people for their sin. His mercy is shown to Benjamin in not cutting them off from Israel. There is no debating in this passage that God hates homosexuality. Israel went up and wiped almost all of the city because they protected those evil men. As I read this, my soul churned over the overall mistreatment of women but then I got to the last verse of judges 21 and it says, "In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes." The first verse in chap 19 speaks right off the bat..there was no king in Israel. I just left that thinking there is such destruction when everyone does whats right in their own eyes. I always explain to my children how good God is. That his ways are not meant to hold us back but to keep us safe. Because He made the world He knows whats out there that will bring hurt to us.

tessalou 18 months ago

Not to change the subject, but what I meant about the girls dress and hairstyles was my way of simply saying that if you start and declare yourself a religious person and express your views then stick to the original ones. Do not change with public oponion. I have seen some very beautiful christian girls and women who wear pants, shorter dresses and skirts, permed and dyed hair, tasteful makeup and such. I see no immodesty in that. I am just aggravated when you get more popular on tv or in publics eye and you change direction.

As far as homeschooling there is nothing wrong with that if mom does it and not children. I also believe that it should be comperable to that of the public schools so that they can advance to a higher education if the child desires it.

Michelle may have had her last child but Anna is there to pick up the role. But I do not think that Josh is doing that well at his business of selling cars and needs the extra income from it.

When their show first started Michelle tooted her horn about how she served fresh fruit and veggies to her family. Now on her latest epiosode she says that grapes and fruit was a "comodity" and are rationed out. With her brood they will be probably giving each one 5 grapes a piece.

I do not knock christianity. I do knock organized religion. There is a huge difference between the two that I have learned over the years. As a child who was horrendously abused by both parents and siblings in all way, I was blessed by having people put in my path growing up that taught me right from wrong and good from bad. I do not take the bible to heart because it was not written by jesus or even God but by man with his fallicies and tendencies to put his own spin on it. It is good reading and some of it brings me comfort or makes me want to base my life on. But the bible is interpetive of the person reading it and that makes for alot of different oponions. I would go over on Fridays as a teenage girl and read it to my elderly neighbor and then she and I would sit and watch "Tom Jones" shaking it all over the stage. Okay off this topic because I am wondering nowhere with it...lol.

I guess that what I want to say is that it is a parents job to instill religion in their children so that they can go out in society and not have to change their ways or beliefs (as the Duggars are doing for approval ratings) and be able to withstand the temptations of that society. And the Duggar kids will have to live in that society sooner or later. I am also afriad to say that we will see rebellion, greed and avarice among this family as time goes by.

One last comment, if you are a regular watcher, like I am, you will find out that they are not buying used items anymore. You can see that by the clothes that they have. But I am curious, why does one father and nine boys need to have over 150 pairs jeans. I can not figure that one out yet.

signing off for now.

tessalou 18 months ago

Not to change the subject, but what I meant about the girls dress and hairstyles was my way of simply saying that if you start and declare yourself a religious person and express your views then stick to the original ones. Do not change with public oponion. I have seen some very beautiful christian girls and women who wear pants, shorter dresses and skirts, permed and dyed hair, tasteful makeup and such. I see no immodesty in that. I am just aggravated when you get more popular on tv or in publics eye and you change direction.

As far as homeschooling there is nothing wrong with that if mom does it and not children. I also believe that it should be comperable to that of the public schools so that they can advance to a higher education if the child desires it.

Michelle may have had her last child but Anna is there to pick up the role. But I do not think that Josh is doing that well at his business of selling cars and needs the extra income from it.

When their show first started Michelle tooted her horn about how she served fresh fruit and veggies to her family. Now on her latest epiosode she says that grapes and fruit was a "comodity" and are rationed out. With her brood they will be probably giving each one 5 grapes a piece.

I do not knock christianity. I do knock organized religion. There is a huge difference between the two that I have learned over the years. As a child who was horrendously abused by both parents and siblings in all way, I was blessed by having people put in my path growing up that taught me right from wrong and good from bad. I do not take the bible to heart because it was not written by jesus or even God but by man with his fallicies and tendencies to put his own spin on it. It is good reading and some of it brings me comfort or makes me want to base my life on. But the bible is interpetive of the person reading it and that makes for alot of different oponions. I would go over on Fridays as a teenage girl and read it to my elderly neighbor and then she and I would sit and watch "Tom Jones" shaking it all over the stage. Okay off this topic because I am wondering nowhere with it...lol.

I guess that what I want to say is that it is a parents job to instill religion in their children so that they can go out in society and not have to change their ways or beliefs (as the Duggars are doing for approval ratings) and be able to withstand the temptations of that society. And the Duggar kids will have to live in that society sooner or later. I am also afriad to say that we will see rebellion, greed and avarice among this family as time goes by.

One last comment, if you are a regular watcher, like I am, you will find out that they are not buying used items anymore. You can see that by the clothes that they have. But I am curious, why does one father and nine boys need to have over 150 pairs jeans. I can not figure that one out yet.

signing off for now.

debra 18 months ago

Becky...I know you truly believe that the Bible is Gods word and if you really believe that God approves of murder, rape, slavery, and other crimes, then there's really nothing to discuss. In fact, since God gave the Israelite people the 10 commandments, He should keep them perfectly...not think up excuses to disobey them so he can get the job done.

Paulie....I get along just fine with many Christians. In fact, my daughtr and I banter back and forth about biblical passages and science...she believes in ID and I believe in evolution. It's basically the Calvanist or Reformed groups who claim God chose some for heaven and some for hell that I have problems with.They have their creeds, confessions, catechisms, church fathers and they won't budge on what they think is truth. Never mind that they learned most of their beleifs while still young and have pretty much been brainwashed. I'm happy that you are starting to find peace in your life Paulie as each of us must choose the road that fits into our personality and lifestyle.

Here's a link to a free online book you might want to look at Paulie. I truly think the Christian church has distorted and perverted the gospel of Christ. http://gospelenigma.com/

Becky 18 months ago

Debra,

would you be against the government punishing criminals who hurt you or your family? when the government executes a serial child killer we call it capital punishment. why not murder? God as the Creator decreed laws that the whole human race benefits from. When we go against them in anyway it brings disorder and distruction. He punishes people when they disobey His law. He is so Just that He never overlooks sin, but for some He gave the punishment to His very own son.

Adam is the one that condemned all to hell by disobedience even after He walked and talked with God and was warned about sin. In God's grace and mercy some will be turned back to God and their sin paid for by God's son.

I see there is much disent for Christians who claim to follow Christ but fall short. Debra, as a Christian ought I to throw the Bible away and not believe it? what should I do with John chapter 6? In IIKings chap 1 can you tell me why the second group of men did not beg for mercy even though they saw what happened to the first as the 3rd group did? What do you think about Exodus 7? What does it say about Pharoah and his heart? I cry out for mercy and for my blindness to be healed because God has shown me in his word that he directs mans heart. Proverbs 16:9 my only hope is in Christ.

If we do not follow and believe the scripture than we change and move as the world does. If we hold to the word than we do not change. God does not change man is unstable in all his ways. And good to remember man is not perfect even after God changes his heart.

debra 18 months ago

becky said; would you be against the government punishing criminals who hurt you or your family? when the government executes a serial child killer we call it capital punishment. why not murder?

Why is it not murder when God says to do it, Becky? And, the Isaelites were murdering babies, young children, old men and women on the whims of your God. Sometimes God told them to take the virgins for themselves and kill all the women who weren't virgins. Other times God told them to slaugher the whole bunch. I guess it all depended on what kind of "mood" God was in that day.

Is the man who bombs an abortion clinic, or kills the Dr. who perfoms abortions, someone you admire? He said God told him to kill that Dr. or bomb that clinic. Who are you to say God didn't speak to him since God spoke in OT and NT telling people to murder for reasons we may never know?

Becky...there are a lot of other religions besides Christianity and the people who adhere to them have very high moral standards. In fact, much of what Jesus said about loving your neighbor, turn the cheek were known in

other cultures before Jesus ever came on the scene.

Becky 18 months ago

because before there was a scene...there was Christ. Most religions have little things here and there that r the same..because there is God. Man was created in God's image I guess he can know some things about goodness but He cannot attain to God's goodness. A great flood is mentioned in ancient writings from all over the world. Man was all together at one time but when God separated man and dispersed them they took their history with them and down through the ages it became distorted. Religions all over have similarities I agree. The book the Two Babylons has very interesting information about ancient times and where the relationships come from.

I dont see in the Bible where God has "moods" he is always just and righteous. I haven't seen yet where God just killed somebody for pleasure. They had always done something against his commands...but I haven't finished reading it yet..do you have an example where he just killed somebody to receive pleasure. The passages you already brought up I could see the sin that he was exacting punishment or the test he was administering.

No, I do not admire those men who kill abortion doctors, there was also a story in news couple years ago where a mother said God told her to kill her children. Christ promised when He left that he would leave the holy spirit and that his word would be preserved. Obeying Christ is doing what the Bible says. People in the Old Testament were able to speak to God through prophets and such. God gave a command and you followed it. God also used kingdoms around Israel to punish them. But Christ has paid penalty for much sin in the world today. We are to listen to the scripture to hear from God. God does not say anything in your spirit that he doesn't say in the word He gave to us. 1John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." God has left a command to spread the gospel not administer punishment to those in rebellion to him. He has given authority to governments to care for that. With that said..He did not withold that mans hand from killing the dr. He does not always withold hurricanes or AIDS or Terrorist activity. Our own sin brings things tumbling down on us. Some "christians" are of the idea that we are to bring heaven on earth by forcing Gods laws onto people when actually He will do that himself when he returns. Christians are to live as the Lord expects as he gives power to be able to so. 1Peter 4:14-16 "If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."

Becky 18 months ago

Our discussion made me think of this passage...

Revelation 3:15-16 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

I too wish people would read the Bible and see God for who He is..Hate Him or Love Him but don't change Him to something convenient for yourself and then preach that.

Debra, I'm just curious..in your Bible studies have you ever lost a fellow Athiest to Christianity by calling people to read the Bible?

Are the duggars of the Calvinist persuation? I haven't seen the show in awhile but all the times I watched I didn't really see them talk deeply about philosophy of their faith..if that makes any sense..

I saw something once that seemed to indicate that Darwin was offended by the belief of a Sovereign God. Something to do with his child I believe..Being an Athiest do you know a lot about Darwin?

Paulie, you sound like you follow the new age movement?? what would you call your religion then? Is that very different from an Athiest or are you an Athiest as well? Hesitant to ask that question once I offended somebody deeply by asking it.

Becky 18 months ago

I guess I also wanted to clarify concerning other religions..I do not deny that there are moral people in other religions. The world is full of nice moral people. I dont see in the Bible that the most important tenant of Christianity be that Christs followers reach a perfect moral state. (Although some make it out to be that) It is God making alive someone's spirit and them seeing themself and seeing God for who he is. realizing you could never be what you ought to make peace with God. Then realizing That Christ and the grace He bestows is all that is needed for peace with your maker. Then are you empowered by Christ to have righteousness. How do you walk away and judge another man when you realize there is nothing in you that is better than another. That it was all Christ. How can you not be humbled by the thought that you will go to heaven and another to hell. How can you think on His grace and judge another man? This is what sets true Christianity apart from all other religions of the world. From humanism to Buddism...you must bring your very own righteousness to be accepted. Christ turned to the theif on the tree next to him, and said today you will be with me in paradise. !!! Amazing Grace!... Thats why Christ describes his burden as light. Because he does all the work. That no man might glory in His presense.

James 18 months ago

Paulie, you said "I just never seem to be able to observe Christ-like behavior in thought or deed."

I wonder, how do you know what "Christ-like" behavior is if you're not a Christian and a student of the Bible? Do you consider yourself "Christ-like"? What is it the Duggars do that is so evil and non-Christ-like in your opinion? Are you saying you are better than Christians or more "Christ-like" than the Duggars?

My reason for the question is obviously that while people may be critics of various religions, it seems like a different story when you seem to think you can tell Christians how to be more like Jesus if you don't know who he is. Christians don't tell Muslims how to be more like Muhammad, or Buddhists how to be more like Buddha. It is presumptious to say Christians aren't Christ-like if you don't even know what Christ is like.

debra 18 months ago

Paulie said: Debra, I recall reading once that atheists know more about the bible than most people. I'm not sure, but I assume these are people who do a lot of soul-searching and research before making their decisions.

Since I've left Christianity, I still run into people from a church I once attended. I've found that many, if not most Christians, are fearful of any disagreement with, or evidence against their God and Bible book. The same can be said for other religions as well. Yes, I did study and read the Bible for many years before I was Christian and after...I'm certainly no Bible scholar, but I believe I know more about the Bible than the average church goer knows.

In fact, when I show them the scriptures about God ordering rape, destruction, murder, kidnapping, slavery etc. many Christians either don't believe it or make up excuses saying "God is being misquoted or taken out of context." They say this no matter how many verses you read or how many Bible versions of the same verses you show them.

Paulie....Darwin had a large family of 12 children. He lost one of his beloved daughters and I do believe he blamed God for that. He also studied to be a preacher but decided he couldn't teach Genesis as literal truth. This was after he saw all the animals on his year long travels on the Beagle and finding many bones and specimens that were pointing to evolution and natural selection.

The hot and cold passage from Rev.3:15-16 is usually taken to mean that being cold is not an acceptable thing to God. but Jesus himself talked about giving someone a cold drink of water to quench their thirst. And cold water quenches thirst on a hot day as hot drinks quench thirst on a cold day. They are both good things depending on the situation.

James: I know I'm not Paulie but you don't have to be a student of the Bible to know many of the sayings Jesus said. The Sermon on the Mount, love your neighbor as yourself, turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, let your light shine before men, are a few scriptures many people of little or no Christian faith have heard of. Plus, Christians themselves, on radio, TV, the pulpit, books and tapes tell us how a Christiana are supposed to act. The fact that we rarely see the behavior talked about exhibited by most Christians, is indicitive to me that the Christian life is mostly talk and little walk.

debra 18 months ago

Becky...the second paragraph in above post was for you...I addressed it to Paulie by accident.

I haven't started my bible study with atheists yet so I don't know what the outcome will be. But, as I already stated, online Bible studies tend to fizzle out in a few months or so. Most atheists I know who read the Bible without comentaries or other influences, tend to see the faults, flaws, contradictions, unscientific and unpractical beliefs in the Bible. They especially see it if they weren't raised with the dogmatic and selective teaching so many in church have been exposed to.

From my understanding the Duggars are Baptist.

Becky said: How can you not be humbled by the thought that you will go to heaven and another to hell.

I hear it all the time especially from those of the Calvanist persuasion. They have little compassion for those who are on their way to so called hellfire. They think they are the chosen frozen and to hellfire with the rest of you. I'm a member of CARM and talk often with Matt Slick and others of Calvanist beliefs and they really are arrogant, smug, self righteous people. I used to be Calvanist and know first hand the kind of uncaring and unloving people many of them are, as I myself was. They have become just like the God they preach....preach the hellfire God and you become cruel and indifferent. Preach a loving and kind God and you become caring and loving yourself.

James 18 months ago

You keep saying that the Bible condones wrong behavior, but you don't understand the philosophical and religious dilemma this puts you in, since you claim to be an atheist. Atheism has no scientific basis for "right and wrong" or "good and evil". These are moral absolutes and atheism only acknowledges moral relativism, so you can't say something is "right or wrong" according to your own philosophy.

Atheism and evolution have no science to decide what is "good and evil". When Aztecs slaughtered 10,000 people a day to their gods they thought this was right. You say it's wrong. Why are you better than the Aztecs to call them wrong? Science? Darwinism? Science, atheism and Darwinism cannot decide or explain what is right or wrong, only the God of the Bible can.

Paulie, I would like an answer to my previous question. It seems like you let Debra respond to all the tough questions and you just ignore them.

James 18 months ago

I'd like to address some of Debra's remarks. I like to throw down about the Bible online.

Saying that you've heard some Christianese catchphrases or once saw a greedy televangelist stealing money from people does not mean you know what the Bible says or what being Christ-like is like AT ALL. That is actually quite the opposite, obviously. False teachers are just the blind leading the blind into a ditch, there is nothing that false Christians say or people like Oprah say that will ever convey the meaning of the Bible to anyone.

Did you know that Jesus Christ flipped over tables in the Temple and drove people out of there with a whip because they turned "His Father's house of prayer into a den of thieves"? Did you know He once compared a fragile elderly woman begging for healing to a dog begging children for table scraps? (He healed her though.) Did you know He often chided Peter for his ignorance and stupidity?

Oprah and the televangelists you see on television do not speak of this tough and strong Jesus Christ because they want to make money, so they portray Jesus Christ as a weak, harmless tree-hugging pacifist because they know this is more appealing to people and less controversial. The truth is Jesus Christ is completely different from not only what atheists arrogantly believe they know (without even reading the Bible) and also different from what most pampered American Christians know. A recent Barna survey indicated that less than 10% of American Christians even have a biblical worldview: most people in church don't even know who Jesus Christ is!

Jesus flipped over tables in the Temple. He chased people with a whip. Atheists are quick to criticize Christians (rightly so, sometimes) and how God behaved in the Old Testament but they actually seem to refuse to curse Jesus himself. Maybe you would have a BIG problem with Jesus Christ Himself as well! If you think being Christlike is something good, maybe you need to understand exactly what that means- it does NOT mean being nice to everyone all the time no matter what! People forget that Christians get killed, that's because Christians speak out against evil and evil people don't like it. First they call Christians "not nice" (homosexuals, aboritionists), then they make laws to shut up Christians, and eventually they throw them in jail, beat them and torture them (communist/atheist China, the Muslim world), and eventually they kill them. Do the Duggars look to you like people that others want to kill yet? That's because they haven't said anything offensive yet because they have 19 kids to take care of.

John 7:7

"The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil." -Jesus Christ

God in the Old Testament who commanded the Israelites to destroy all of Jericho, ALL OF IT, women and children and animals alike, is the same Father to His Son Jesus Christ, who is one with His Father. People do not know Jesus Christ or understand His ways at all. He is not a hippy or a buddhist or a New Ager, He is the Lord of Hosts, the master of armies, He is not just the compassion of Love Itself. Sometimes Love has to kill murderers and rapists (Sodom and Gomorrah) to prevent them from hurting more innocent people!

Killing an entire town doesn't sit right with Americans because they are naive and were raised to be weak, unintelligent, lazy, overweight pacifists- this makes them easier for the wealthy elite to control and manipulate and it has been done to populations since the beginning of time.

If there was an entire city full of Hitlers, Dahmers, rapists, pedophiles and murderers, plus their wives who act just like them, then their children who would either grow up to be just like them or already ARE just like them, while God is trying to establish His own just nation in Israel, then that evil city has to be destroyed, COMPLETELY. The women were no different from the men, that is why the whole town was evil, and if the Israelites didn't kill those kids who were also already being corrupted by lifestyles of rape and sodomy, then they would have to take on all those kids themselves who would also corrupt them and their children. The entire town needed to be destroyed. It doesn't sit right with people because they are naive and gullible Americans who don't understand the harshness of reality, they don't even acknowledge the reality of sin and evil and how it affects their lives. Evil affects other people and it rubs off on other people. Go to any ghetto overrun by drugs and gangs, there is no escaping that evil unless you leave!

When people don't understand God (and that is all of us) and worse, don't want to quit their sins, they will instead try to point the finger at God and say HE is wrong and that YOU are better than Him. The problem is, you don't know everything, you actually don't know much of ANYTHING (less than 0.00001% of everything to be exact, and evn less than that), and you don't understand true right and wrong because there is no authority to explain it you. There is no science to explain right or wrong to you. Darwin cannot explain it. Hitchens cannot explain it; he can't even quit the booze and smoking that is killing him. ONLY GOD can perfectly explain to us what is right and wrong since He knows EVERYTHING and only Jesus Christ can heal us and help us quit those sins that are killing us.

Romans 6:23

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

becky 18 months ago

debra, i think its funny you think christians are fearful of you! I dont think you've showed me anywhere in scripture that God ordered rape or incest! you may be misunderstanding culture...I see capital punishment and I see men doing what is right in their own eyes..thats what the scripture said that you pointed out... you are going to have to try harder! those scriptures were easy to explain to my children..

God would wish us see him for what he is and outright reject him (cold) or read and see who he is and love him and cry for mercy (hot) rather than lukewarm which would be someone who mixes truth with error and misleads his own. its almost like saying those who are cold are completely ineffective to those he has set aside. i find that interesting...

i also think it funny you've stopped referring to me :)

hope all had a wonderful thanksgiving:)

becky 18 months ago

James,

AMEN and AMEN!!

debra 18 months ago

Becky...here are a few of the scriptures about God condoning rape in the Bible.

Num.31:1-18 Here, in verse 1, God commands Moses to "Take full vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites; afterward you will be gathered to your people." The Isralites made a terrible mistake because they only killed the men and not the little boys and women with children. The truly disgusting part of this passage is verse 18 which says: "But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves." You don't have to read to far between the lines to figure out these girls or young women were to be used for sexual purposes. This is kidnapping and rape and you think this is okay?

I'll just list some of the other scriptures and you can look them up yuorself. Deut.20:10-14; Deut.22:23-24. How about this passage Deut.22:28-29, which deals with a rapist buying the raped woman from her father? 2Sam12:11-14 which is all about the "punishment" David received from his rape of Bathsheba. (I assume it was rape although the Bible isn't clear about this.) But,since David was the King, he could demand anything of anybody he wanted. It certainly doesn't sound like David himself ever suffered physically for his great sins....only those around him did. What a nice God you have there Becky.

debra, i think its funny you think christians are fearful of you! I dont think you've showed me anywhere in scripture that God ordered rape or incest!

Where the heck did I say Christians are afraid of me? God read my posts again and post my actual words, Becky. I just left you a few passages. I had meant to leave them on an earlier post but forgot to until later....thanks for reminding me though. It just confirms my belief that the Bible God is a monster.

James said:

debra 18 months ago

James said:beginning of time.

If there was an entire city full of Hitlers, Dahmers, rapists, pedophiles and murderers, plus their wives who act just like them, then their children who would either grow up to be just like them or already ARE just like them, while God is trying to establish His own just nation in Israel, then that evil city has to be destroyed, COMPLETELY

So answer this question James? Since the Bible says God is unchanging, why isn't this applicable for today? And don't tell me because God was speaking only to the Jews when he gave the command....this can be said for any OT passage that you may want to quote from to support your Bible God murdering innocent children. BTW, if there was a town similar to the one in Jericho or Sodom and Gammorah, would you condone destroying that city? You seem to excuse God for disgusting behavior you'd have your neighbor sent to jail for. God figure how this God is one of great moral character and integrity. I don't see it at all.

debra 18 months ago

Becky; How dare you say this when I had just answered one of your comments and addressed it to you? IN fact I addressed you twice so what's your beef?

i also think it funny you've stopped referring to me :)

James 18 months ago

Thanks for the replies, Paulie.

James 18 months ago

Debra, before I continue, let me see if you understand something as an atheist. Do you understand that the concept of "good and evil" is a philosophical construct that is invisible and can't be proven scientifically to even exist? Do you understand what I mean? Do you understand that good and evil do not even actually exist according to the philosophy of atheism or even empirical science, because "good and evil" is an invisible philosophical construct existing only in the minds of men? (According to Darwinism.)

Tell me if you understand that and re-explain that to me if you would, and then we'll see if I can continue.

What I'm basically trying to do is define what the ideological concept of good and evil is, or morality in general, so we're on equal footing to start off with. Morality, "good and evil", is an invisible philosophical construct and, for example, science cannot prove a "good and evil" statement like "murder is wrong" because there is no scientific proof of that. Do you understand?

debra 18 months ago

James said:Atheism has no scientific basis for "right and wrong" or "good and evil".

And your Bible God does? Do you have evidence for this assertion?

As far as your questions about evil are concerned I'll agree, just for the sake of argument, that you are right. Now, prove God exists with your argument.

James 18 months ago

Since you understand that the concept of good and evil is invisible, you understand that atheists cannot claim any scientific understanding of it at all. And that is why knowledgable atheists who have been defeated swiftly in debates after using their "God is evil" argument have simply turned to say what you said, "God doesn't exist because He is invisible" and then "morality is relative, not absolute." Obviously, to them, because they have no authority on morality other than their own personal opinions and the culture they grew up in, which is usually ironically enough, Christian. So more educated atheists understand they can no longer believe in good and evil either, because that concept is invisible.

Do you understand that statement?

Good and evil is an invisible concept that cannot be proven by science. Therefore atheists in their philosophy do not claim good and evil actually exists, they claim morality is relative to whatever culture is interpreting it.

Do you follow so far?

Becky 18 months ago

Hey there Debra, I will look those scriptures up to see what you are saying..sorry my hubby was in town for couple days.couldn't read all these posts carefully. sorry if i made a mistake :)

James 18 months ago

Hey Paulie, I was actually directing my comment toward Debra's last remark, but I appreciate your response.

My point is firstly that atheists subscribe to some form of morality, which is a concept unprovable by science. You cannot prove by science that murder is wrong, since science only deals with empirical evidence, not philosophical concepts. And yet atheists in America believe murder is wrong (in some cases) even though the idea of "wrong" or "evil" is an invisible concept. If Debra would like to acknowledge that morality is an invisible philosophical concept not provable by science, according to Darwinsim, then I could continue with my point.

debra 18 months ago

James said: you understand that atheists cannot claim any scientific understanding of it at all.

I never said they did, did I? But, we can see the effects of murder, rape, child abuse, etc. on the victims of such horrific acts.

James said:Good and evil is an invisible concept that cannot be proven by science. Therefore atheists in their philosophy do not claim good and evil actually exists, they claim morality is relative to whatever culture is interpreting it.

James, where do you get your moral standards from? Let's just say it's from a transendental God who is all knowing, all powerful and all seeing.Can't you see that you've just moved the argument from science to God, who may or may not be kind, loving, caring or compassionate. Didn't God change the moral standard, in the OT and NT to suit his needs, wants and desires? Even if there is some kind of God, you still haven't proven that he is in favor of an absolute moral standard.

Becky 18 months ago

I'm sorry too if I was a little harsh with you. But I felt you weren't reading what I gave you from the Bible and then you said I was avoiding you when I just stated your name twice in one post.

I've been a little busy myself with my son moving in and Thanksgiving and other obligations.

dbra 18 months ago

James maybe you can answer some of my questions.

Where does morality come from?

How do we know if something is moral or imooral?

What is reason?

What is logic?

What is evidence?

How do you know you weren't created 5 minutes ago and just think you were born many years ago?

James 18 months ago

Okay, good, Debra. So you acknowledge that atheism is morally relativistic. It has no absolute knowledge of good or evil because it claims no source for such knowledge.

Now please answer me this if you would, even though it seems like a stupid question: if you saw someone get murdered, say just for their money or car, would you think that was wrong? Would you think that was evil?

James 18 months ago

Okay Paulie, let me just respond to your comment and finish my point with Debra in the same breath, if I could. There is a reasoning out process and a logical way to explain all the phenomenon of religion, or reconnection to God, which is why Christians continue pursuing a man like Christopher Hitchens: because they see that he can use his God-given powers of reason and logic to intelligently observe creation around him and come to the same conclusions that over 85% of the rest of the world does: a spiritual world exists beyond human perception.

As I said to Debra, we all have an innate sense of right and wrong, justice and evil, which is often referred to as the conscience, which Darwinism and even science have no explanation for, or even proof that it exists. This God-given conscience is why all nations and people have some form of morality- we do not behave like animals. But the further a nation gets from monotheism, the further it gets from morality. An example would be Aztec Mexico which slaughtered up to 10,000 people a day in sacrifices. Or the atheist regime of communist China which slaughtered over 30 million people in the 20th century (the number is as of right now being pumped up to 70 million)- that's over 10 times more than all the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem witch trials combined (less than 2 million casualties total). So the evidence actually points to non-monotheist nations being way "more evil" than monotheistic nations. You could even add the atrocities of Muslim and Jewish nations, yet the atheist nations of China and last century's Soviet Russia completely blow away monotheism when it comes to democide atrocities. And we haven't even discussed the morality of pagan nations like ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt. There is no question that the Bible civilized these immoral societies, whereas atheism has destroyed Russia and turned China into one of the most oppressive countries the world has ever seen.

This conscience that people have is universal, and it determines that no man has an excuse on judgment day. No one can say on judgment day "I didn't know right from wrong" because all mankind has a conscience, and creation testifies to the Creator just as your conscience testifies to morality.

(cont.)

James 18 months ago

But an atheist says "we know that murder is wrong because we see its effects." That is a fallacious statement according to both atheism and Darwinism because there are no value judgments in Darwinism, those are scientifically impossible. In Darwinism there is no conscience, there is only survival of the fittest. Mankind may kill, steal and rape in order to perpetuate its gene pool, just like animals do, since mankind is merely an animal, not created in the divine image of the Creator. So since the animals kill, steal and rape and this does not end their species, mankind may do the same, according to Darwinism. This is why a nation like Nazi Germany can use Darwinian eugenics to justify killing an entire race that it believes is genetically inferior to the Aryans: they were simply speeding up evolutuion and cleaning up the gene pool. I already demonstrated what the Aztecs did in paganism and what the Chinese did under atheist Marxist communism. It is not pretty, there is no value placed on human life.

But we as Christians know that these are lies. Murder is wrong, regardless of whether it is committed by the state to preserve its power, or doctors killing babies to give parents the illusion of more wealth and greater freedom. Pagan and atheist nations do not acknowledge the value of human life, they murder at will.

So the knee-jerk argument that "God is evil" makes no sense in the Darwinian view because Darwinism denies both the existance of God and morality itself. But since Darwinism is built on science, or flawed science, all that has to be demonstrated is the complete impossibility of proving that God does NOT exist. This is called a transcendental argument and it's a logical line of reasoning, as Kant pointed out. Since an atheist is only depending on science, which knows even less than 00.0000001% of all existing knowledge, Darwinism is tragically flawed when it comes to understanding the entire workings of the universe. So trying to prove God exists to an atheist is about as pointless as trying to prove the sun exists to a stubborn blind person who "doesn't believe in the sun". The blind person simply does not have enough senses or resources to perceive the sun, regardless of the knowledge of all the people around him convincing him otherwise (only 2.4% of the world is atheist, by the way). Science is basically insignificant, and at this point, it actually has to prove its merit to humanity, since it simply cannot solve many problems or discover new vistas anymore.

Since Darwinism denies the human conscience, and even denies humanity itself in preference of calling humans animals, you should be able to see what kind of societies and cultures this belief produces. If morality is relative then anything goes, man can do whatever his evil urges incline him to, and man need not listen to his conscience since it doesn't exist according to science. Again, observe ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, Mexico or last century's China and Russia to see the pagan and atheist alternatives to the Christian society you were brought up in. Even in relatively healthier Muslim countries both Christians and atheists would be persecuted and even killed. It is only in Western Christian countries that people have experienced a developed justice system and liberties. Add up all the Crusades (originally begun as a defensive war against Islam, which had conquered Spain and Turkey on either side of Europe), the Spanish Inquisition (actually begun by the occult Templars, predecessors to Freemasonry) and the Salem witch trials (actually started off trying a Haitian woman who poisoned several people and taught girls to make poisons, i.e. sorcery) and those casualties (less than 2 million) do not even add up to what one atheist country did last century in opressive communist China.

The Bible actually addresses atheism, and it's not something you're going to like. But you will immediately notice the Bible's precise understanding of human nature, our tendency to sin, and our tendency to try to deny God so we can hopefully continue to sin and get away with it. I'll throw down those verses later, Lord willing. Again, you won't like the verses, but if you are going to be thrown into a rage over the Bible, may as well get it all out of your system now. ;-)

If you want me to cite some of the statistics I quoted above, just let me know, but you can easily confirm them yourself by searching key words like "China democide" or "percentage of atheists" or "Christian democides" etc.

James 18 months ago

Right-o. The atheist regimes of China were killing for political power. It was the deadliest massacres in history to the tune of over 70 million people.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHINA.CHAP1.HTM

To this day they persecute and kill Christians in the name of the state and limit families to one baby per. This causes an already sexist society to kill female newborns because families prefer males, and countless millions of baby girls have been killed since the baby laws.

The point is that all people are sinners, whatever their ideology or religion. But atheism is obviously the worst ideology ever- the statistics and current state of China prove it.

jen 17 months ago

People on this comment thing isnt thinking the planet as a whole.

Its true that were over-populated, that is why we have to add pionsons to our food to feed 6.8 billion people on this planet, litterly and creating more cancers to people.

what would happend if we ran out of land for crops? land for cows? enough land to feed 8 billion people 3 times a day 8 billion x 3= 24 billion, that is ALOT!

Just hink why we get into wars for everything, creat wars over lies, tricking people to kill themselves etc. couse in the future, the planet will starve couse we are taking waay too much resurves, this is the reason why we are creating solar, wind power etc, so that we dont kill our planet with polution, polution whitch IS killing this planet and US!

Her uterus doesnt have time to heal, that is why she was in a emergency couse her utrus is to weak to carry much longer.

It takes 2-3 years for her utrus to heal FACT!

The utrus over time will develop "holes" "tears"

so. thus creates health problems like what happend to her.

I can go on and on about this. Just being religiouse doesnt always created happy or healthy families, it can go down hill, i know this for a fact,its called "reality"

Oh, here i go again, Im still talking.

I guess you dont know what goes on behind the curtians right?

I dont think it was her choice to have this many kids, she could be just covering up her husband abuse, None of you even thinking that and it does go on in reality.

God doesnt knock up husbands wife, it only takes a man's sperm and a womens egg to fertilize, not G*d *that would sound crazy~~*

Poeple, look at the world, its dying, its dieying couse where killing it with wast, more people more waste, more death!

The Duggs are just hypercrits, when the husband CAN feed the family, its not enough $$$ so thus puts his family on tv to make more $$$

Isnt that greed? selfishness?

Why dont they just use that money for better use, like adopt dogs/cats at the spca/shelters so that they dont get put down or live in cages in one year, litterly, im againts animal cruelty (puppy mills, puppy farm)

James 17 months ago

Yes, there are definitely varying degrees of evil, Paulie, as you know. For example, a thief gets time in prison, but only murderers get the death penalty. In the Bible the thief has to restore what he stole, sometimes up to seven times more, and murderers get put to death, while people who eat pork are recommended to take a bath because of the unhealthiness of the meat. Theft is therefore less of a serious sin than murder, while eating pork is merely breaking dietary recommendations.

The point in comparing China with Christian history is that if someone like Debra were to hate Christianity because people in its history have done evil while claiming to follow Jesus, then how much more evil is atheism by its examples in China and Soviet Russia? Obviously the American media is not going around educating people on the evils of atheist countries for various twisted reasons. But it also twists history in humanist textbooks to villify Christians, even though no Christian nation has committed atrocities in the name of Christ since the 1600s.

Yet the Armenian genocide, perpetrated by Turkish Muslims and their crypto-Jewish leadership, killed over 10 million Christians and destroyed the last genuine Christian government in the world (the American government is less than 5% genuine Christian). That's even more casualties than the Jewish holocaust. Yet no one in America is aware of this, just like China's democides. This is the biased selective history and propaganda of humanist history education in American government schools, which are fast resembling communist schools in Russia and China. The very educational system itself is teaching you to hate Christians while ignoring the evils of China, Turkey, Soviet Russia, etc. all done in the name of atheist Communism, Islam and even Judaism.

There are definitely varying grades of evil. America has its problems, but as a majority Christian nation you have freedom here to believe whatever you want. That's not the case in Muslim or Communist countries. If an atheist were to go to either of those types of countries, they would immediately have their freedom restricted. For an example, an atheist in Saudi Arabia would be marginalized, sometimes even beaten, put in prison, or even killed for such a blasphemy. Same as Christians who are not allowed to have a church in that country (the birthplace of Islam's prophet Muhammad).

James 17 months ago

You really cannot compare how Christians and others are treated in Muslim and atheist countries to how gays are treated in America. Gays are not beaten, electrocuted, tortured, put in prison, and killed for being gay. If people want to protest near funerals in American that is their right to free speech. No one is preventing gays from being lewd in parades in front of children in San Francisco and New Orleans (unfortunately). That is how much freedom gays have in America, they can do pretty much whatever they want and no one hurts them.

The ridiculous thing about media coverage of the Westboro Baptist Church is that the church is less than 100 people, yet that is the only church that makes the news. The news doesn't show all the churches that do AIDS outreach and hospice service while the gays' friends leave them alone to die. The media doesn't show all the churches rushing to help Haiti. It only shows one church, less than 100 people, and there are 240 million other normal Christians in America that the media refuses to show because non-Christians wouldn't be able to ridicule them.

The only Christians you see on television are the 20 or so greedy televangelists, the WBC, and the Duggars. All Christians are not millionaire televangelists who have sex with male prostitutes and do meth (Ted Haggard), or rape boys (Bishop Eddie Long), and in the Bible Jesus clearly says there would be false teachers who are wolves in sheep's clothing who would lead people astray. But there is a definite reason that no good Christians are shown on tv (except the Duggars) but all 20 bad ones will show up there.

The media is not Christian, it is actually run by wealthy Jewish men, as you can see in this article by young Jewish journalist Joel Stein writing for the L.A. Times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-

The article is not anti-Semitic or racist, it is written by a young Jew understandably proud of the power his relatives have, and he is simply showing precisely how wealthy Jewish men own each and every single major film and television studio in Hollywood. So you have to wonder why, even though America is over 80% Christian, there are only two "Christian" channels (these are televangelsists who are actually subsidiary to the major networks) compared to hundreds of non-Christian channels, and yet everything on television portrays Christians as either pedophile priests or people who protest at funerals. There are 240 million Christians in America, it is only a small handful of people who do that stuff, yet none of the good that Christians do is ever shown on television.

Where were the Muslims and atheists in Haiti? It was mostly Christians who helped, and this is because Christian America donates more money than any country in the world. Yet only one church of less than 100 people makes the news for protesting funerals.

When atheists mention their hatred of America and Christians I like to suggest they go live in a Muslim country or in atheist China. Do you think you would have more freedom in countries like that, Paulie?

People can say whatever they want in America, that is freedom. It includes Christians, atheists, Muslims, whatever. If you want to complain about people being vocal and speaking their mind and heart about their religion, fine, but you cannot put a stop to it just because it annoys you and you should realize how blessed you are to live here if all you have to put up with is the Duggar family. You would have to suffer much worse in China or Saudi Arabia.

Honestly, you seem to be saying you believe everyone should have their right to free speech and religion...except Christians. Even though Muslims bombed the WTC, their religion is still better than Christianity. Even though atheist China killed over 75 million people, still they are not as annoying to you as Christians who taught the Aztecs to stop committing human sacrifice. And so you want your freedom to complain about the Duggars, but you don't think anyone should have their say about your opinion, because that's "forcing their views on people." This website actually comes up 5th on Google in a search for the Duggar family- that is why it is getting so much traffic. You have to understand by now, this blog is actually offensive to people who realize the Duggars are genuinely good and who appreciate them and love them, so they want to comment on your blog and give their 2 cents.

In Saudi Arabia, we would probably be silenced and punished for defending out faith here. In China we would be put in prison for proselytizing. Here, we just have people angry at us, but we do have a lot more freedom to reason with people here without getting punished by the law for it. When you say "that is bad" you have to realize whose side you are putting yourself on as soon as you want to silence people just because you don't like their opinion.

I already demonstrated what atheist countries do. Before they start killing people in democides, they take away their public voice.

By the way, what happened to Debra? I was wanting to hear her comments on my discussion of atheist democides.

James 17 months ago

Paulie, by saying that Christians are more power hungry than any other group, doesn't that make you biased against Christians? I understand you're trying to portray yourself as tolerant and non-judgmental, yet you're repeatedly denying the facts and statistics in order to mostly only criticize Christians, hence the classification of this very blog. There is nothing wrong with your bias per se, but I wonder why you would deny your own bias when it is obvious.

The Jews took an industry in the early 20th century that was nothing and turned it into a multi-trillion dollar juggernaut and the chief public opinion swayer of America and the world, or so they tell us. Except that the world actually still doesn't buy the opinions that Hollywood puts out, as is evidenced by California's vote for Prop 8. Arguably the most gay-friendly state in the union, the people there to the tune of over 60% (more, if they would have voted) still do not want sadomasochistic bloody anal sex (that is what homosexuality actually is) to become a sanctified institution requiring tax breaks and forced mass public acceptance. Thankfully democracy still counts for something and the public vote matters. Until a gay judge tried to decide it didn't.

On a side note, since you keep mentioning homosexuality and seem to be saying this is something Christianity is wrong about, I'll discuss that very briefly. Sex or "love" that must revolve around bloody anuses (men) or plastic toys (women) in order to get some sort of sadomasochistic or empty, electronic sexual fulfillment still isn't accepted by most of the world, even though Hollywood accepts it entirely and only promotes it, even though 70% of America does not want to see it. God did not make human sexuality so that it would revolve around pain (homosexual men) or emptiness (lesbians) an homosexuality inevitably involves the lack of satisfaction in women and sadomasochism in men. Sadomasochism is the gaining of sexual pleasure from physical suffering, and that is what male homosexuality actually is- bloody anal sex which involves tearing, rashes and bleeding, and so same-sex is definitely a sin according to the Bible for reasons that should be obvious. If you want to say Christians are more "in your face" than gays, even many atheists in San Francisco would laugh at you, and that is why even many atheists voted for Prop 8. They are tired of the endless whining and parading of gays in that city, which becomes offensive because they try to guilt trip everyone into supporting their cause. Not only that, but the gays there are increasingly violent and publicly lewd (see: NAMBLA), hearkening back to the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, literally.

The video below is a perfect example not only of biased media coverage, but of the reality of the gay world that people away from big cities never get to see. Watch as this mob of big burly gay men pushes around a little old lady peacefully witnessing. This only made the local news, but the WBC makes the national news. It shows the obvious pro-gay anti-Christian media bias, and it is also an accurate portrayal of what gay crowds are really like when they are angry. Their very sexuality involves violence so this should be no surprise to people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD1AITHS2Wc

After watching the above video, I would challenge you to find me one video of Christians physically pushing around a defenseless little old lady like these gay men are doing, simply because she disagrees with their lifestyle.

I don't know what Christians you are referring to in the government as in-your-face, less than 5% of senators and reps are genuine devout Christians. But nevertheless, I still don't understand what problem you have with people being allowed to speak in public, in your face or otherwise. I guess gays can speak out all they want (they do) and even push around defenseless little old ladies, but Christians can't speak out or run for office? Again, this reveals your own personal bias, which I'm obviously trying to demonstrate is inaccurate by showing facts and statistics, not just general statements or quoting movies and books that I can't recall the titles of.

My point with demonstrating who runs the media was to show you the obvious fact of why there is an anti-Christian bias in Hollywood. These people hate Christians, but hide the evils of people they prefer. You commented about my demonstrations of numbers, figures and statistics and the reality is that this definitely portrays who is "more" right or "more" wrong. For example, rabbis rape boys at the same, or worse, rate as Catholic priests, yet rabbi pedophiles do not make the news. Why not? I already stated the obvious, the Jewish men who run the media favor their relatives over the Christians they hate. Otherwise we would all be seeing rabbis the same way the world now sees Catholic priests if the rabbi pedophiles got their own due coverage and exposure. This is an obvious bias in the media, and the media just also happens to be run not so coincidentally by wealthy Jewish men and their relatives, many of whom would be rabbis. Only a naive person, or someone afraid of being labeled a racist, would fail to put two and two together on that one.

I am biased in favor of Christians because the facts show who is "more" right. Muslim, pagan and atheist countries are "more wrong" because they are statistically more evil in terms of murder and oppression and vice, that is just a fact. You are biased AGAINST Christians yet you seem to have a problem admitting this, and I don't understand why, since that's obviously what you believe, why not admit it?

It's not about you seeing my facts and accepting I'm right, it's about you seeing your own morality and need to judge evil. But by denying your own bias and judgment, this then becomes more of the Debra superiority syndrome where the atheist attacker not only wants to condemn God, Christians and the Bible, but also wants to play themself off as innocent and "tolerant" and beyond judgment, which is obviously not true since they are judging God Himself and the Bible. Atheists then become the very same tyrants they profess to hate by deeming themselves the arbiters of morality, yet denying all morality simply so they can do away with Christians. This is what every society has done for the last 2000 years in order to justify killing Christians, which continues to this day.

“All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me." John 16:1-3

It is very ironic, since atheism has no source for morality, and this is why they claim "tolerance", yet obviously do not tolerate Christians, so their entire argument is superfluous and hypocritical. What they are saying is "you are judgmental and I am not, so you are evil...but I don't judge anyone." But you just judged someone by calling them evil! This is bias. This is not only bias, this is hypocritical since you just made a big stink that you don't judge anyone, yet you just judged Christians, God and the Bible. So the reality is, the question really IS who is "more" right, you or Christians? Non-Christian nations or Christian ones? History proves it is Christian nations. Not atheist, Muslim, pagan, or even the Israelite and Jewish nations in the Bible that constantly disobeyed God.

Unfortunately the atheist mind doesn't understand the need for judgment and morality and so is left confused over simple value judgment questions such as "are the Duggars evil?" They make value judgments based on the current popular culture (like Hollywood) rather than eternal values, so they are inevitably wrong and become scorners, the same people who crucified Jesus and the apostles, just because they were good people and stood up against evil. The question is obvious to Christians and people who understand good and evil. It is obfuscated by people who have twisted values, like suggesting that sadomasochistic bloody anal sex is natur

James 17 months ago

(cont.)

Unfortunately the atheist mind doesn't understand the need for judgment and morality and so is left confused over simple value judgment questions such as "are the Duggars evil?" They make value judgments based on the current popular culture (like Hollywood) rather than eternal values, so they are inevitably wrong and become scorners, the same people who crucified Jesus and the apostles, just because they were good people and stood up against evil. The question is obvious to Christians and people who understand good and evil. It is obfuscated by people who have twisted values, like suggesting that sadomasochistic bloody anal sex is natural and fine even though it hurts and kills millions of people a year. The question always boils down to morality, and atheists end their own validity of argument by denying morality even exists. So they are unable to accuse God, or Christians, or anyone at all of evil, since they claim good and evil are merely relative to whatever culture is interpreting it.

Paulie, if I could ask, what religion are you, or what religion did your parents raise you as?

James 17 months ago

My point in showing Stein's article was not to portray Hollywood as an insidious racial plot, it was to show who has the power in the media, and it is obviously not Christians. My point was also to show the opinion of Hollywood itself regarding Christians. With over 80% of America Christian and anti-sodomy, yet all of Hollywood pro-sodomy and anti-Christian, it only reveals who has the power in Hollywood and what their opinion is of most Americans' religion. Hollywood hates the south, Christianity, religious values, children, the family, and it praises drugs, alcoholism, teen sex, sex slavery, prostitution, gambling, sodomy, sadomasochism, violence, gangs and organized crime or vigilantism. Obviously this is not what the Duggars are about. Obviously Christians do not have a voice at all in the media, so really, how in-your-face could they possibly be?

But you're saying Christians have a plot to take over the government, have the loudest public voice, and want to violently enforce all people to believe what they do. Obviously this is not at all true in the slightest, but the same can't be said for Hollywood.

Rather, Hollywood seeks to manipulate the vote through changing public opinion with propgaganda and brainwashing techniques. Hollwood owns the entire media voice, and Hollywood is trying to villify Christianity to the point where brawny gay men are pushing around defenseless little old ladies and beating up elderly people who peacefully disagree with them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLbqTd5Tn4&feature

That video never made the national media, only local media. For the same reason rabbi pedophiles do not make the news even though they rape boys at the same, or worse, rate than Catholic priests. This is because the media obviously wants to villify Christians but protect the people it likes. This is why a pedophile like Hollywood director Roman Polanski gets praised but the WBC is villified, yet all the other peaceful churches are ignored by Hollywood.

James 17 months ago

Gandhi was a racist who, while working as an attorney in South Africa openly expressed his disdain for blacks and his hatred of Indians being compared to them.

GANDHI ON BLACKS AND RACE RELATIONS (Zulus and Kaffirs were African tribes in South Africa)

•“A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.” (Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150)

•Regarding forcible registration with the state of blacks: “One can understand the necessity for registration of Kaffirs who will not work.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, p. 105)

•“Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian Location should be chosen for dumping down all the Kaffirs of the town passes my comprehension…the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location.” (Reference: CWMG, Vol I, pp. 244-245)

•His description of black inmates: “Only a degree removed from the animal.” Also, “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized - the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals.” - Mar. 7, 1908 (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)

•The Durban Post Office: One of Gandhi’s major “achievements” in South Africa was to promote racial segregation by refusing to share a post office door with the black natives.

•Sergeant Major Gandhi: Learn how Gandhi became a Sgt. Major in the British Army and eagerly participated in the 1906 British war against the black Zulus.

•Gandhi and South African Blacks: Gandhi wrote extensively about his experiences with the blacks of South Africa. He always termed them “Kaffirs” and his writings reveal a deep-seated disdain for these African natives.

Gandhi is not what people think, and guilty of sacrificing thousands of Indian lives to make himself a cultural hero. Another example of media manipulation of a cult of personality.

Paulie, you were saying: "Frankly, I don't know enough about the bible or any particular religion - except the one I was brought up in - to start any blog specifically about religion."

What religion were you brought up in, might I ask?

I am obviously never going to convince you to "like" Christians, and not just because of your justified disdain for telelvangelists and the like, but also because of what your dislike for the Duggars reveals about your character.

But I did prove my point, which is that no matter what you say about Christians, the same criticism applies to people of all other religions and philosophies, and moreso.

The only other thing to debate would be the actual doctrine of Christianity, which doesn't say we have to condone or befriend all Christians, but it does have commands as far as morality and the way to get saved from past sins.

Janice 17 months ago

Sorry James, but disliking the Duggars is NOT a bad reflection on Paulie's character or anyone else's, for that matter. I am a Christian myself, and I don't like them either. Nor is my opinion of them influenced by their Christianity. It is possible to be a good Christian without imposing the rigid control that the parents do against their children. I remember a Sunday-school ditty that we kids learned, called "This Little Gospel Light Of Mine". The verses exhorted hearers not to hide their lights under a bushel. obviously the Duggars never hear of or chose to ignore the message, that allowing a gift to flourish brings glory to both the person who has it and God.

To start with, the homeschooling they practice has become a joke, and a bad one. Michelle Duggar no longer teaches the "classes"; she has relegated that to a teenage girl whose own education is 8th or 9th grade level, if that. They are not imparting the higher math, science or foreign languages that thhe kids would need to get into a college. With their education they would not even be able to get into apprecenticeships for skilled trades, as these require some mastery of higher math. Jim Bob was able to start off his two oldest sons with turnkey businesses, but how many more of those do you think he has, to spare for the younger sons?

None of the girls are ever seen in jeans, khaki pants or other forms of pants. The parents claim the girls have a choice, but I doubt it. The girls have been conditioned to prefer skirts, so that's that. They also have to wear their hair long because "Daddy likes it". Phooey! These are girls in their teens or young adulthood and their parents are still dictating their hair length? No-one is trying to suggest that they give themselves crew-cuts or dye their hair turquoise. But as long as there is nothing outrageous in the girls' taste, Jim Bob and Michalle should butt out!

Michelle does not appear to do anything in the house except give marching orders. The 5 oldest girls have to do all the laundry, cook, take charge of at least one younger sibling apiece, clean the house. It's one thing for each child to help out, but another thing to compel a teenaged or young-adult girl to raise her siblings. The boys, especially the younger ones, run wild because comparatively little is asked of them. They supposedly do yardwork but that doesn't take all day, or even have to be done every day. Michelle's interest in her kids lasts only for each one's infancy after which the kid is consigned to a buddy so she can work on the next one.

Neither the girls nor the boys are being encouraged to either get jobs outside the house, go to college, or both. How do JIm Bob and Michelle think these children will survive if one or both of them dies before the last of the children reaches adulthood? They have neither the job skills, social skills or coping skills to make it on their own.

You notice I didn't say a word about the Duggars' beliefs except at the very beginning of this post. The practices the Duggars engage in with their chidren have damn-all to do with religion and everything to do with parental tyranny.

Janice 17 months ago

I left something out. How come none of the Duggar girls can go anywhere without at least one chaperone? I can understand, even agree with, the practice if the girls in question are 10-12 years old. But it is imposed even on Jana, Jill and Jessa, all of whom are over 18 and legal adults. And Jinger, at 17, is only a year away from that status herself. What it tells me is that Ma and Pa Duggar have so little faith in the upbringing they gave their kids, that even the young-adult women in the family can't go anywhere without someone hovering over them like a vulture. Again, the parents may claim that this is a tenet of their religious beliefs. But the truth is, it's just another facet of their personal tyranny. They're using their supposed religious beliefs as a mask to do what they would have done anyway.

James 17 months ago

Paulie, I'll take your word that you didn't want this to be a discussion about religion, but this Hub was found by a lot of people because it was actually put in the "Religion and Philosophy: Christianity, the Bible and Jesus" category, which I'll just assume wasn't done by yourself. So a lot of the people stumbling onto this blog are seeing in that category of religion, just to let you know.

Why not discuss your own religion, Paulie? If you are honest, trustworthy, and feel you have better character than many Christians, why not share your religious beliefs then, or at least mention what they are, or what your parents raised you as? Are you ashamed of your parents' religion?

James 17 months ago

Janice, if you really are a Christian, please show me how the Duggars are sinning according to the Bible and according to their religious beliefs, and also show me, if you would, how the Bible says you are to approach and deal with brothers and sisters in the church who is sinning. Thanks.

Duggar 17 months ago

After reading the post I feel there is great resemblance amongst the Indian families and the Duggar family. Only difference one can make is, India has vast number of Religions, and marrying inter-religion is still not accepted in Indian families. Also I wonder how this family is earning and feeding such a huge population in their family. But i really liked the rules they are following about the youngsters.

tessalou 17 months ago

I am so glad that I decided to check out your blog again. I was getting so tired of seeing the religious postings that have been going on for so long now (too long). I am a modern christian. I do not judge, the bible is secondary in my religious convictions and I have seen with my own eyes Jesus Christ, himself. You can believe, disbelive, curse me or laugh at me I really don't care, just as Jesus did not care about his own disbelievers. I follow the life of Jesus. Not one Christian has ever uttered the fact that Jesus only preached to those who came to him. He did not go to them and stand there and argue his point. So I shall follow his lead and not defend or argue my point.

I watched the season finale of the Duggars and almost fell out of my seat when JimBob loudly proclaimed "be fruitful and multiply". Both JimBob and Michele are going against christianity and religious convictions about children being the blessings of God. They do not go further and say that it is the mothers and fathers duty to God to raise, nurture, provide and teach religious convictions to the blessings that God has blessed them with. These responsibilities fall only on the older girls shoulders and not the parents that Jesus has commanded to do for each of his blessings. I would love any christian to come up and say that this is not true and that the Duggars are that moral or religious.

You will not see the older Duggars who are living at home being filmed anymore. Once the child has reached the age of 18 that child will be paid for their appearances on the show and not good ol' greedy JimBod. Now the show is getting toned back because the basis of a large family is no longer the theme of the show. Want proof?? They rarely are on the show anymore. Then there is poor Josie who is hidden in her parents room out of shame for her handicaps. The boys chores around the house is nothing. Even though one show was dedicated to the fact that both the boys and girls should be self-sufficient on both boy and girl gender chores. Proof was given when the girls went home while they lived in Little Rock and food was rottening in dishes and on the counter and the house was dirty. When the girls were asked if they did not like it they cheerfully replied that they expected exactly what they found because it was not a boys duty to clean the house. So much for preparing both boys and girls to be able to make it on their own. What bunk!!!

I really hope that this blog goes back to being a Duggar blog and not a religious one. Throughout history it has been evident that religion is pompous and that not one christian or religion can accept that of another. I truly believe that if Jesus Christ walked the streets of todays society and problems that his belief system would not be the same as that when he walked back then. We have grown and we have evolved. I believe that he has too. So quoting the bible does not faction into today's times.

James 17 months ago

Nice try, "tessalou." As soon as you said what a great Christian you were and how "non-judgmental" you are, only to then launch into a massive childish judgmental rant about a family you don't even know, you lost all credibility. I would say the same to you as Janice. If you're such a great Christian, prove these people are wrong using God's Word in the Bible rather than your own immature, judgmental and uneducated opinion, which looks to be the same as Janice's.

If you're a Christian and you don't even know what Jesus Christ says, and you obviously don't, then you have no credibility going around judging innocent people based on your own uneducated and immature pop-culture opinion.

James 17 months ago

Paulie, you are still being avoidant and simply launching into more anti-Christian rants and tirades, and I have no interest in addressing that nonsense.

If you are so much better than Christians, why not display the religion your parents raised you as in order to bring Christians up to your level of religious and social enlightenment? The Duggars have the guts to display their religion and their faith in Jesus Christ, why not you? The Duggars have the guts to take the heat for their religion, why not you?

James 17 months ago

Interesting how you try to justify Gandhi's hatred of blacks and African tribes yet a movie about Jesus Christ is somehow "racist" in your mind. Do you know Michael Richards? You two have a lot in common.

James 17 months ago

P.S.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rant

There is nothing "wrong" with a rant, per se. For example, I ranted about atheism earlier and effectively ended Debra's whining, revealing her lack of knowledge about her own philosophy as well as her lack of knowledge of atheist history.

But your rants, on the other hand, are random attacks on Christians you hate. Many of them completely innocent Christians like the Duggars. Well, you reap what you sow. As long as this offensive, slanderous and in-your-face page is up, you can expect Christians to be justifiably putting you in your place faster than a cop can taze a violent criminal. Jesus had no problem shouting down the Pharisees, and Christians have had no problem taking you down a peg over the last couple years, obviously. Some people are just gluttons for justifiable punishment, I guess.

James 17 months ago

I just read what I could of your latest rant. And WOW.

Are you actually trying to defend a convicted dog-killer? Michael Vick is not only guilty of torturing and killing at least 6-8 dogs and overseeing many more deaths over the course of at least 5 years of financing a massive million dollar dogfighting club, but he aided the abuse, torture and execution of untold amount of "underperforming" dogs, the man also gave his wife herpes after cheating on her, aided a marijuana growing operation, flipped off fans, and spent all of 21 months in prison.

You defend this guy, but a guy with a bowtie who claims to be a Christian gets slammed by you for criticiszing Michael Vick? What next, Christians are wrong for criticizing child abusers and Hitler? There is no end to the ridiculous anti-Christian fluff coming out of Hollywood, and yes, L.A. Times articles fit the bill.

Many of the dogs that Vick abused will require special care for the rest of their lives because of the abuse they suffered under Vick. But oh, if a Christian criticizes Vick, he is wrong. You actually make me sick to my stomach.

You support this, Paulie? Look at where your petty hatred of Christians is taking you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQwmnMgLGts

tessalou 17 months ago

James, I have watched every single episode that the Duggars have made, tv specials, guest appearances and read ever article about them. Many of the shows I have watched more than twice. I have seen them evolve and change over the five years that they have allowed themselves to be in the limelight. So, yes I do know them as if I have sit down and suppered with them. They are money hungry and very greedy. They are also very back woods. How do you say? Try the redneck swimming pool episode. Have they really changed? Try their very first special and Michele's talk about countenance. Are they religious? Like you, no. They tout religion for the almighty dollar. Do they live by the good book? No. Do they wear a religious item or have them in their house? No. The word faith is not a religious item. Are the kids able to conduct themselves in public as a christain? No -- I would love to see that. Do they care about community? No. Do they go to church on a regular basis and not as a visitor? No. They stopped going to church when they started having children as JimBob himself has said. Can the kids attend a college or even a trade school with the education that their parents gave them? No. A true christian family provides all the above to their family unit and the Duggars have failed horribly.

As far as you being a christian, James, I dare say that you are not. James Duggar, you are a bad christian boy hiding your real identity, but once again proving that the Duggars are cultists. You can not stand the fact that the true christians on here are shunning you and your family because you and they are nothing but lies. Even Jesus himself is probably very embarrassed and ashamed that you use him and his people to be a tyrant on here and acting like the devil himself. You and your family really need to grow up. Shame on you boy, get on those knees and have a talk with the Lord before you bring more shame on him with you self-righteous attitude.

PS Remember in the latter days false prophets will rear their heads and lead many christians astray. That is your family. God have mercy on your soul son.

Janice 17 months ago

James, I put off answering until now, because I was shocked that you had the nerve to question whether I am/am not Christian based on my dislike of the Duggars. It so happens I was raised as and still am, Lutheran. Let me clue you in, guy, that the only being with any legitimate interest in my degree of Christianity, is God Himself, Whom you, sir, are not.

No, I do not hate my fellow Christians. What I hate is how it has been hijacked for their own profit by pond scum like Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips. The exremist elements want to impose their patriarchal, theocratic ideas on mainstream Christians. They're like the Taliban without the charm.

Getting back to the Duggars, their chief offenses are not just against the Bible but against common sense as well. They don't give their children educations or prepare them to hold paying jobs. I have known home schoolers who did awesome jobs with their kids. But the "schooling" these parents give does NOT rank as awesome or even competent. What do you think will happen to these kids when they reach their 60s?. Thanks to Ma and Pa, they won't be able to collect social security benefits because they won't have accumulated the requisite 10 years of social security credits. Their only hope as far as that goes, is to be married to someone who HAS accumulated the necessary credits. So far, the only Duggar of the younger generation who stands a chance is Josh, and only if he withholds and pays social security taxes for himself. If he doesn't, then he's SOL himself.

JimBob and Michelle are probably not entirely bad as people. But, they have shown themselves time and again as hypocrites. Their "buy used and save the difference" mantra applies only when it suits them. JimBob thinks nothing of buying himself yet another electronic toy, yet won't shell out a few extra bucks to buy real shoes, not flip-flops or thrift-store rejects for his kids. By the way, have you noticed that the boys get the decent shoes while the girls get the rejects and flip-flops?

I hate what they do to their daughters. There is nothing wrong with children helping out in the house, but there is a LOT wrong with requiring your daughters to do all the housework, cleaning, cooking and laundering AND raise their younger siblings AND homeschool them. What do Michelle and JimBob do all day, that they can't pick up the slack? Some of the indoor tasks should be given to the boys; it would help dissipate the pent-up energy of the younger ones. These girls, even the oldest, cannot go anywhere without at least one chaperone. Why? Are they that afraid that the girls will shed their upbringing the moment they are out of earshot of the house? Why don't they, or the boys for that matter, have friends outside the family.

JimBob and Michelle are pimping out themselves and their kids for money. Do you seriously think they could afford to live as they do without regular and massive infusions of cash from TLC, not to mention public appearance fees, recordings and books? I wouldn't hold that against them if I thought that some of the gelt is trickling down to the beings who actually earn them the income, their own children. But from what I see of JimBob, I doubt it.

You asked me to cite biblical precedence. I will hunor you this once, and no more so listen up. Remember the Parable of the Talents, told by Jesus Himself? In the story, a wealthy man going on an extended trip gave some of his money, measured in talents, to hold for him. The first 2 servants put the money entrusted to them to work, doubled it and were richly rewarded by their master for their diligence and initiative. The third servant, who had buried the money for fear of theft was kicked to the curb by his employer. God expects us to use any talent or ability He gives us, to their fullest. God doesn't suffer fools gladly and doesn't tolerate the waste of His gifts. He probably wishes that tools like the Duggars would stop ruining His reputation by citing Him as their authority for everything they do. This parable is apropos, since Ma and Pa Duggar do not use the gifts they were given, which is bad enough, but then they keep their kids from using THEIR gifts as well.

Janice 17 months ago

Oh, and please stop telling us all how innocent the Duggars are. That aw shucks act is just that, an act and as such is an offence to true innocence.

James 17 months ago

Janice and tessalou, you're not Christians. You refused to throw down actual Bible verses to show how the Duggars are doing anything wrong according to Christianity. Big shocker, since you don't know the Bible.

Your rants are superficial silliness insulting people for their jobs, educations, and style of clothing. You wouldn't be listened to for a second in any decent church with your inane ramblings.

Janice 17 months ago

Tell me, James, is there a reason you're still here? So far, you've called all of us heathens for not being as enamored of the Duggars as you are. You ve also tried to draw people into a theological pissing match with you by insisting on references for everything we say, and you've hijacked this thread numerous times. I'll say it one more time, only God has a legitimate interest in whether the people visiting this site are/aren't Christians. Why don't you find a few nice "Duggars (or FUndamentalists) Rock" sites? You can bloviate to your heart's content among kindred spirits without having to do something subversive, like thinking.

tessalou 17 months ago

James, you silly little Duggar boy, the bible was written by man and not God or Jesus Christ himself. There are so many contridictions in it that it is sad enough to make you sit down and cry. But it is a good read and does bring comfort to those who do believe in it. But it is also up to the "christian" who does read it to interpet it in their own way. Believe it or not each "christian" interpets it differently. It ranges from bringing comfort to those to being "allowed by God" to be a tyrant over other people who are christians and those that are not. Maybe you should re-read my posts. I will not discuss something I do not believe 100% in.

I noticed that you did not try and defend yourself and your Duggar family. It is hard when one posts who you really are and that you are only after that almighty dollar. But you Duggars are so greedy and back woods that you get ousted all the time you open up your mouths or make your fingers type faster.

NEWS FLASH: The Duggars are on public assistance with their family. Look at the Duggars official website and click on their families favorite recipies. Scroll down to the recipe titled "Three Can Chili" that is a WIC recipe printed in their brochure. With a few minor changes you will notice that the name and the basic recipe is the same. I do know because my diaabled daughter recieves WIC and we do use that recipe with a few changes ourselves with the baby.

WIC is for women, infant and children and they stay in the program until the child reaches the age of five. James you do the math on just how much they have taken in state aid and then lied to the public and their fans about it.

James try and tell the public that you and your family do not decieve the public and make outrageous lies to their fans for that almighty dollar. Then you go around and use up the planets resources and public assistance money. I think that the Duggars have so many children is because they can not make it on a mans wage who is too darn lazy to get out of bed at a decent time and support them himself. I also further believe that JimBob can not even make a self-business run because he is too lazy to get out of bed and work at it. We all know about the good-ole Duggar time. The real words for that is laziness which he is passing down to his children and their children for generations to come. And you can not deny that you Duggars aren't.

When you accuse someone else of not being a christian is when you can not justify your families and cultist actions and ignorance. It is kind of funny. I don't think many people want to be in the same false christian category as you guys are. False christians are those who can not or will not follow Gods instructions that are not in the bible but in your heart and common sense. That is where God places his teachings once you read the background on him that does comes in an autobiographical form in the Bible. First get to know God and then listen quietly to his message and then apply that to your life. God wants people to follow his way (not bible words, they bring the comfort) and live it. Not put down others and their beliefs.

Yes, Duggars I am so honored to say that I am not a christian like you and so many others in the world. I would be so ashamed of acting and sounding like you, a christians life is not a peaceful life. I want the peace that God does bring into my life now. I am not into organized religion because they care only about how much they can make. James, I am a believer and do not have to prove it to you or anyone else. Maybe you should become a believer and find the true happiness that God and Jesus has promised us.

I would also like the board to know that you are a true Duggar becuase this is my third post ousting you and your family and you have yet to deny that you are. Of course you will now claim that you are not one after this post and prove to the world (once again) that you are back woods as can be. Get with the real world Duggars and re-educate yourself before making more fools of yourselves.

Laynie84 17 months ago

James. Since you are such a good Christian, can you please recite to me the Bible verse that says in order to be a good Christian you must be able to cite Bible verses??? I know this is circular reasoning, but that seems to be all your about?

Let me make one thing clear. I love and respect God, and I know he loves me also. I do not believe you must attend Church, or know the Bible by heart to be a good Christian. God gave us free will to believe what we will, and I do not believe any kind of a loving or caring God could hold it against you to not attend Church, or know the Bible, or even to be a Christian! Exspecially in the kind of World we now live in.

Though you dont want my pity James, you have it. Your views reflect a sad meaningless existence, where all you can do is accuse other people of not being Christians. As I am sure we all know, being "Booksmart" is not often enough. You speak very well of things you obviously do not understand. So I ask you James. When you stand before God in the end, do you believe it will be enough to just know the Bible? Or do you think God will ask you, why you think you know what makes a good Christian, when you are clearly ignorant in the matter?

I can already imagine your responses now James, and I believe whatever more you say will only confim the fact that if you are what a good Christian is, then I'm glad you dont think people like me are, because I would not want to be one!

P.S. I'm sorry that none of this has had to do with the Duggars, and personally I think they are Quite phoney. I could go on for hours about how terrible I think they are, but there are more important things going on here that have stretched far beyond the Duggars that I think need to be addressed!

James 17 months ago

Tessalou, allow me to reveal the psychopathology of your comments:

-You say you love Jesus Christ yet you don't even know what He says in the Bible and you refuse to believe it.

-You hate the Duggars yet watch every single episode of the show.

Tessalou, you are obviously schizoid in your attitudes, beliefs and behaviours. You are literally mentally ill and need help, but instead of turning to your claimed Lord and Savior to show you some stability, you would rather watch television shows about people you hate. On top of that you are seriously accusing me of being a Duggar? Seriously? Tessalou, I am not addressing you anymore; you are either mental or pretending to be, just like you're pretending to be Christian.

James 17 months ago

Aw, Janice, am I upsetting you? If you'd read the Bible you would realize that the Gospel is offensive to worldly, superficial and sinful materialists. I have no problem being offensive to people who would insult the Duggars in a pathetic impersonation of Jon Stewart or any of the other sad people on television that the lemmings consider intelligent. In fact, I am here to defend the Duggars. If you have a problem with that, that is your problem. First I came to debate with Debra but she ran off with her tail between her legs even as Paulie hijacked my attention, not coincidentally, I'm sure.

I've intellectually owned an atheist, reduced Paulie to more childish, foot-stomping anti-Duggar rants, exposed several fake Christians, and revealed Gandhi to be the self-centered racist and bigot that he was. That is what Christians are called to do, expose evil and rebuke it, put it in its place, and that's what I will continue to do until I'm bored, called away, or kicked out. The ridiculousness of your comments is similar to someone telling a cop not to stop an armed robber or other criminal because violence hurts. Yeah right! That's the cop's job, to shut down evil, however it offends your naive heart. And that is my job too.

Do you understand the story of Jesus Christ flipping over tables in the Temple and driving people out of there with a whip? You don't understand that story because it doesn't fit in with your Oprah Winfrey view of a weak-willed pacifist Jesus. Well, consider yourself getting educated right now. I could care less if I offend you. If I don't offend superficial worldlings I'm not doing my job. There are "nice" Christians like the Duggars whose job is to raise great kids and show compassion, then there are Christians like me who flip over tables in church in defense of the people who cannot defend themselves, like the Duggars. So you can either shut it and get out of my way or get prepared for a fake-Christian verbal bully beatdown.

James 17 months ago

Laynie, I love how to say what a great and wondeful Christian you are, then accuse me of being wrong for saying people aren't Christians, and then you say this:

"I'm sorry that none of this has had to do with the Duggars, and personally I think they are Quite phoney."

That is so hypocritical it is almost funny. So I'm supposed to think you're such a great and wonderful Christian just because you say you are? Yeah, right. I wouldn't want to be in a church with you either, so don't think for a second you are shaming me into your naive and superficial judgments of innocent people. Unfortunately for me, half the people in church are like you and I just have to forgive them rather than be an unforgiving bitter person like Debra and discount all Christians and Jesus Christ Himself just because supposed Christians don't all agree with me or say mean things to me or sin against God (I do the same thing, so it would pointless to not forgive these people).

So if you're a Christian, you can forgive me for my supposed wrongdoings, right? Instead, you are in this debate, you are defending the page of a spiteful, mean-spirited person, and you are definitely revealing what kind of "Christian" you are.

Let me make clear your hypocrisy:

"I'm a great Christian, not like James who says people aren't Christians."

"I think the Duggars are phoney."

Do you see how you just made yourself look silly? You are actually saying you're better than me, then PROVING you're not! How exactly are you better than me if you just did what you said was wrong for me to do? If you'd read God's word you wouldn't be so ignorant of what proper judgment is and you wouldn't get embarrassed on an internet website for your ignorance by painting yourself in a corner with your own words. As soon as you accused me of being wrong for calling these trolls/fake profiles not Christians, you revoked your right to say whether or not the Duggars are Christians.

Do you even understand what I just said to you? The sad thing is, you probably don't. Oh well, ignorance is bliss they say.

You want a Bible verse that reveals the importance of following God's Word? I've got dozens of them, but I'll start off with one that will make you the most angry, revealing your own hatred of God, Jesus Christ, and His own words:

Jeremiah 13:10

"These wicked people, who refuse to listen to my words, who follow the stubbornness of their hearts and go after other gods to serve and worship them, will be like this [destroyed] belt—completely useless!"

Janice 17 months ago

Watch it, Paulie, Tessalou and Laynie: James is going to send us all to bed without our suppers!

Seriously, I too avoid the other reality shows including the secular ones. They're nothing but digital bread and circuses.

Laynie84 17 months ago

You really are quite amusing James:-) Hmmm??? Are insults really all you have? Well then keep throwing them. Is that what really drove so many people away from this site? Well I will have to disapoint you then. I am not so easily disuaded. Your diluded belief that you alone drove so many fakes away is quite disturbing but I'm willing to bet they are all sitting around having a laugh at these posts. Even the strongest of people get tired of confronting an ignorant brick wall.

No, I am not a "Good Christian" in the sense that you believe, nor did I ever claim to be (somehow you saw differently...get help before it's too late!). My relationship with God is mine, and I do not intend to defend my beliefs to you. People like you sadly always find a way to spit on everything...sad:-(

While we are on the "schitzoid" topic, you might want to read and reread posts before you respond. It seems to me you have a serious problem with making up things that people did not say to begin with...I suppose that all goes with the illness though. You might want to seek professional help for that.

Oh...and James, I would love to read Gods word and become as you say "Less Ignorant", but sadly all there is to go by are more versions than we can count of "Christians" like you spouting their singular interpretations of a book that was supposedly written so long ago?

I love being a hypocrite! I dont think there is a single person in this world who is not one, though shamed they may be to admit it. I guess I am sort of like you James. In the sense that I dont care what people think of me, or how many times they insult me. God gave me a wonderful gift you see...I can believe the best about him, and if choosing to believe only what I want is a Sin then so be it?

I look forward to seeing your next post James:-)

tessalou 17 months ago

James, let me reiterate for you, I am not a christian like you, I am a believer, quite a difference between the two. I do not hate the Duggars, I really dislike a person using religion of any kind to make money off of. Remember the temple you so lovingly refer to? The Duggars are one of the merchants he ran out of it with the whip. The same as you. I have read the Bible...out of curiosity. Some parts are really good...alot is very boring...and some is just ridiculous. I guess it reminds me of people like you and just turns my stomach. But I do suggest that everyone reads it and makes the decision themselves on how they view it and what they really want to believe about it.

As for being mentally ill--I would really love to have some of those "always keep me happy no matter what happens" pills. LOL...can you spare me some James...just a few please!!!

I keep up with the Duggars mainly so that I can have a good laugh every now and then. James, can you keep a secret?? I am writing a book on you and your family showing the public all your fallicies and cultist ways. Believe me...people will buy it. You entertain us with your silly ways in your family and how you try to make people believe that you are trying to act a way that you percieve a christian to act.

Every christian is able to defend himself...so when you say that the Duggar family can not defend themselves you are literally shouting that the Duggars are not christians. You and your family are shinning through. We learn more with every post from you what your family really is...run and hide now James...God is going to get you and your family.

James, now remember, you said that you would not respond to me anymore...we know that you Duggars are liars and decievers and false prophets...I bet your bus that I will see another post to me from you. You guys can not refrain from being the center of attention and self-righteous, what a pity that your lives are so full of ignorance that you can not stand to see other people satisfied with their own lives and able to talk objectively about religion (of all kinds) and christians without being offended like you are. Maybe you should read the bible again with open eyes and heart.

PS I am not Debra and I will not run. I doubt very much that she ran...she just saw the silliness in your post and realized that you were on the 7th grade level and decided not to respond to your childish behavior. Actually what she said as an atheist made more sense and was well thought out then your posts. You and your family really do need to post in a more adult manner so that you guys are more believable to the public and maybe more people will reflect on what you say more often. But stop the bible verses...even you can not get them right.

Janice 16 months ago

I don't think Debra ran, either. My guess is she got tired of suffering fools and decided to sit out the debate for now. I think James is a troll, here to simply disrupt anyone else from speaking. he's just given knee jerk responses to everything anyone posts. I see no sign that he actually read anything anyone else here said.

Laynie84 16 months ago

Getting back to the Duggars. Like I said, I think they are so phony!

When they started out so many years ago on TV, they were so humble, and sincere! I loved them in the beginning. They had beautiful children, a loving family, and such strong beliefs. I was completely taken in by it all! With Reality TV, you cant expect a family like that to change a little with the times. Exspecially since they are making so much money now (though do they admit it...no!), but they still insist that they are as humble as always, and I do have a problem with that. The girls are cakeing on the Makeup now (including Michelle!), their skirts seem to be getting shorter, they are wearing nice looking Jewelry (that I doubt is secondhand), and unless I am mistaken...those tans are looking quite expensive (considering the sheer size of the Family!)! Believe me, you dont get that kind of a tan from chasing your siblings around in the yard! If they were just honest about their current spending habits, I would not give a damn, but they are still selling that same old "buy used save the difference" bull? I do not know what kind of thrift and consignment stores they have in Arkansas, but come on!!! Does anyone really believe all of those nice clothes, and jewelry come secondhand?

This seems like such a small thing that should not be anyones business, but you have to understand that these people base everything on being humble! It might have been true in the beginning, but now it's such a lie! Just come off of it Duggars, and admit your changing with the times (you are only human after all)!

Laynie84 16 months ago

Oops. I meant, "You cant expect a family like that NOT TO CHANGE a little with the times". Sorry for the confusion.

Paulie 16 months ago

Money corrupts....or does it?

I cut & paste here from "Rita's Blog" From the "Money Notes and Quotes" website.

"Money corrupts?

Sat, 03/14/2009 - 15:43 — Rita

Recently I heard a Harvard educated physician who holds esteemed posts within the university assert definitively that "Money Corrupts." At first swing, it would seem to be true, especially as we've witnessed the news about Bernie Madoff over the past few days. Corruption in living, breathing color.

As usual when contemplating the meaning of experiences and thoughts, I go to my worn and torn dictionary to help me grasp the essence. In the case of "corrupt," I learn that it's defined as "immoral, perverted, depraved." From that uplifting beginning, it continues to " marked by venality and dishonesty," then on to "decaying, putrid."

The question immediately arises, how could something that is inanimate like a dollar bill or a one hundred dollar bill, or even a quarter be immoral? Money doesn't have the ability to make moral decisions; it has no cognitive capacity, nor a brain. It's paper and metal.

The thinking behind "Money corrupts," is perverted and backwards. It's not the money that corrupts the humans; it's the humans who corrupt the money! The money itself cannot be corrupt.

Therefore, we get to choose, for ourselves, whether we corrupt or sanctify the money in our wallets and in our lives."

http://www.moneynotesandquotes.com/node/11

Maria 16 months ago

None of our business, it is their life and believe and I haven't heard of any of those kids having drug or drinking problems. I wish we all had the courage....they are managing to do it all, love, debt free and not a menace to society.

Laynie84 16 months ago

Maria. It becomes our business when they turn themselves into Public figures through their beliefs.

If being a bad parent could only be proven by your children having drinking and/or drug problems, than I fear so many abused neglected and mistreated children would go unoticed (many already do).

It's very easy to live debt free when your practically living off the backs of the Public! If you want the truth then read the early posts on this Topic, and see for yourself. Living off of people does not just mean "Public Assistance", in the sense of Food stamps and such. When they reached a certain number in their household, they had their home declared a Church!!! That means they dont pay those taxes the rest of us do...how convenient? Almost all of their building supplies and home furnishings, including interior decorators were Donated!

Like I said before...these seem like such small and insignificant things, but they stake everything on being Humble, and self sufficient!!! What crap.

Torns 16 months ago

James - if I were to take away your bible so that you couldn't hide behind it when to debate with us you would not have much to say everytime you open your mouth you dribble out the same old god is great mathew said this crap. There is no logic in any of your answers or come backs to anything that is said. If we don't agree with you, you just hide behind your beloved bible. There is no point having an intelligent arguement with you as you have clearly demonstrated that you are not intelligent

Torns 16 months ago

I forgot to add I went to catholic school when I was growing up and at the beginning of the year in the first religion class we would have our teachers whould come out and say DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN A BIBLE. The book has been around for so long and has been interpreted by so many different people that alot of what is in it is crap so unless JAMES has the original writers version of it then all he is doing is spewing out regurgatated crap that has been twisted to satisfy his religious beliefs. GAME SET MATCH to anyone that JAMES likes to agrue with

Torns 16 months ago

I forgot to add I went to catholic school when I was growing up and at the beginning of the year in the first religion class we would have our teachers whould come out and say DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ IN A BIBLE. The book has been around for so long and has been interpreted by so many different people that alot of what is in it is crap so unless JAMES has the original writers version of it then all he is doing is spewing out regurgatated crap that has been twisted to satisfy his religious beliefs. GAME SET MATCH to anyone that JAMES likes to agrue with

Anon 16 months ago

Thou salt not be self rightous I do believe that is written somewhenre in your beloved book James. The Duggars are self rightous in every sense. Do unto others as you would like done to you. Well I know thats in the book and the Duggar treat anyone that does not agree with them with utter discontempt. If the Duggars were truely believers in god and the ways of the bible they wouldn't be forcing their crap down our throats. I believe that they have broken 4 of the 10 commandments too

Janice 16 months ago

As far as the kids, especially the girls, dressing more nicely I truly don't begrudge them. Especially after the abominable prairie dresses they had to wear in the early seasons.

What they do/don't do is also our business because they support politicians who would love to turn this country into a theocracy, such as Mike Huckabee. It should also be mentioned that during Jim Bob's failed bid for the US Senate nomination, he teamed up with another wingnut, Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania. They boys wanted to outlaw all birth control in this country, even for married couples.

They were also filmed, with all their kids, protesting an abortion clinic. Now, if the older kids agree with their parents and are willing to carry signs, that's one thing. But they had their younger ones doing it too and none of them appeared to have a choice in the matter. I personally couldn't bring myself to have an abortion, but I don't have the right to tell other women that they can't nor can I condemn them to the consequences of a botched abortion, which was very common less than 40 years ago.

And even more recently, one of the Duggar sons, along with an Indonesian exchange student, was filmed holding 4 weapons between. The Duggar boy had 2 of them in his hands, a pistola hanging from his pocket, and the guest was holding a 4th weapon, with the barrel pointing at the Duggar boy's head. If you're going to have guns, you have to treat each weapon as if it was LOADED, and you don't point the barrel at someone else's head, even as a joke. These 2 didn't have one entire IQ between them!

I must say, it's a pleasure to stick to the subject at hand for once, and not be subjected to James' pipsqueakery.

Laynie84 16 months ago

I agree with you Janice. My only problem with the clothes aspect is the "buy used, pay the difference" bull. Frankly I'm glad those girls are finally able to have some individuality with their clothes and such.

As for Protesting an Abortion Clinic. That is so wrong to include children way too young to even comprehend what their doing! To even include their teenage children is bad enough! Do these people have any shame? NO...because they are Richeous! What crap!

I have heard alot of people say that these children are so well behaved. Do those of you who think that even watch the show??? Do you not see these children climbing on top of counters in their shoes? Do you not see them rolling down the stairs? What about trying to set off poppers on unsuspecting older relatives just for fun??? Now lets get one thing straight. Kids will be kids, but come on! How many of us would put up with that? All day long, everyday. Oh, but I forgot. Michelle isnt raising those kids, so she doesnt have to worry about it. Their "buddies" are! Young girls who are forced to be mothers before their own time!

As for God wanting you to have as many "blessings" as you can...dont you think God is tired of being used as an exscuse by a man and a woman who can clearly not control themselves? Lets have some personal accountability here.

Janice 16 months ago

Laynie84, I too call BS on the Duggars' vaunted claims of good behavior. I remember an episode where the family visited a working farm. Some of the kids, led by Cousin Amy (who should've known better) decided it would be a great idea to chase the farmer's sheep from one side of a field to the other. Now, I'm a city girl but even I know that sheep are extremely high-strung, as would be expected of creatures that spend their time on high alert sniffing or listening for predators. They've been known to lapse into cardiac arrest with less provocation than this. The pregnant ewes, if there were any, could easily have miscarried while nursing ones would have had their milk soured for at least a couple of days. I was hoping that the farmer would invite them to remove their entitled asses from his property and forbid them to ever return, but it didn't happen (could TLC have paid for any damage caused?). It shows that they have no respect not just for their own property, but for that of others. I blame the parents for this as they instilled in these kids, from an early age, the sense that they are special and that normal standards of propriety apply to everyone but themselves. Ptui!

I also agree that God must be very fed up with being invoked as an excuse for purely human bad behavior. I somehow doubt that God is lounging around Heaven and boasting about the Duggars. More likely, He's bemoaning the fall-off in quality of his followers since the time of Christ.

Janice 16 months ago

Oh, and as long as I'm still in snark mode, has anybody take note of the diet the Duggars live on? High fat, high sodium stuff, with only rare appearances of fruit and/or veggies. They're congestive heart failure in search of a spot marked "X". So much for treating our bodies as temples of the Lord. It doesn't take that much effort to make nutritious meals, even for large numbers of people; there are cookbooks dating back to the days of the WPA, that can be downloaded for free from the internet that'll tell them how to do it.

tessalou 16 months ago

Laynie84

If it had been left up to the Duggars to have finished that great house of theirs then it would never have gotten done. After three years of building they did not even have all the walls up and would have taken 10 more years to complete. I guess TLC took pity on them and to save the show that they had already paid them they got it done themselves. TLC knew that JimBob would not furnish the place himself so the channel did it themselves. All that JimBob spends his money on is vehicles, buses, and his electronic toys. He puts nothing into the proper feeding or clothing of the kids. But he did buy 500 pairs of pants for the men of the family while the girls share about 10 long skirts and 10 tee shirts for all of them together. Don't believe me? Watch 30 episodes of the show and you will see that I am not fabricating any of this.

As far as how the kids act...they act horrendously. Do you see how the boys are always skating in the house. I grew up with the knowledge that there was outside play and then there was inside play. Skating, riding bikes, roping items in the house are definitely outside. The only ones that you see doing this is the boys...henceforth the girls seem to be held to a higher standard of their actions and not the boys. But, then again, the girls are too busy cooking, cleaning, teaching the other kids, doing laundry, and raising all the kids that no longer give gratification to Michelle. Nine months on the breast and then she throws them to one of the bigger girls. If you have watched the last two episodes of the show she is already prepping Jill on taking care of Josie.

It has already been a year since Josie was born and she has not gotten pregnant again. I know JimBob has to be throwing her on the bed at least twice a day now. This one may be the last one that they will have. She is 45 now. What are they going to do for the show...it is mainly based on her having a baby roughly every 20 months. I guess they are now prepping Anna to take over with it. At first she was totally against having that many kids as Michelle, but she is pregnant for the second time and has uttered the Duggar oath of "having as many of Gods blessings as they can." But then again we can pretty well say that being a car salesmen is not as enticing or financially as good as producing as many kids as you can and as quickly as you can.

Torns

I, too, am catholic. I believe that the bible was written and edited by man. There are 14 books that were not included in the bible because the learned christian men and women of today feel that it has nothing to add or enhance the books that they have been allowed into the bible. One of those books is the book of Mary written by Mary Magdeline and another was the Agionistics that actually states that Jesus had stated to his apostoles that you do not have to be baptizied, go to church, read the bible and not even believe all that he said and still be allowed into heaven. James if you and your Duggar family is reading this now then you guys need to sit down and watch CNN presents the Two Marys. It is stated in there and that is where I learned it. What a shocker to the Bible thumping and screaming christians. I have always believed that alot of what the christians say is mainly what they want to scare us with. I believe that he loves homosexuals, agnostics, athiests and all other religions. I believe that he wants us to love, care for and believe in him and his people, which is everyone down here on earth.

Janice

I am totally against using your religion to force other people to do your bidding. It is wrong to have kids at the abortion clinics protestings. They do not know what it is and all the conflict around it. I would not have an abortion myself, but I can not sit in judgement of another women getting one. I also believe that a man's oponion is best kept out of it also since most of them do not have to provide for that child or even be there to raise it. The child may be better sent back to God therefore saving them from a life of hell and torment here on earth at the hands of their families.

To be a christian Jesus tells you to serve your community. One time they went to Washington, DC and worked in a soup kitchen. Would you believe that JimBob had the gall to go out to a poor man who was eating the food that they made crowing that he was the one to make the food that this man was eating. Bad enough that he said it but to have cameras stuck in this poor mans face while the man stuttered how good it was and how glad he was to be able to eat there that day. How pompous!!! This is not servicing Jesus' people. It is glorifying yourself for that almighty dollar. Jesus probably marked that one on JimBobs score card to ask him about when he stands in front of him. Servicing the community is where you live and not for PR purposes. Going overseas is okay I guess but what about the people in appalachia, the catskills and the families who are living on the streets without food or shelter in all the large cities here in america. Come on Duggars lets see your christianity here in our country and this time try to humble yourself as Jesus himself demands of all his people.

James, maybe you and your family can grow up the way Jesus has demanded of all his people if you would only follow his real teachings.

Laynie84 16 months ago

tessalou. I dont doubt that James wishes he was a Duggar (scarey to fathom), but I seriously doubt he is one. I really dont think a Duggar could ever come up with some of what he's said. Please do not take this as a compliment to James...because God knows it's not, but the Duggar children have a very basic Education (almost Medival) that I doubt would even be sufficient to work at a Fast Food establishment. That might strike some Duggar lovers as a low blow, but honestly, it's the truth!

Janice 16 months ago

I tend to agree. Odious though he is, James did display a bit more literacy than I think the real Duggars are capable of. He could still be an unknown-to-TLC family friend of theirs. And you're right, too, about their education. Yet they're not too proud to benefit from the educations of others, like the doctors/nurses who saved their daughter Josie. Just don't let them hear of their sons or daughters wanting the same for themselves.

tessalou 16 months ago

I would agree with both of you. But both JimBob and Michelle have been to public and private schools growing up and they do have the literacy to be "James." It would be more believeable if James had not ran away from the board after I ousted him. He did not even debate the fact when I called him a Duggar. If he truly was not a Duggar he would have cursed and thumped even harder with his bible-toting venom. If there is one thing that we know about the Duggars is that they can not function without the bible and they do know it (their twisted version of course) inside and out. That is all James could do is recite his bible theories. I call that Duggarism.

But to get back to topic. 19 kids and counting is starting their new season. Guess what the primere show is about? (Drum rolls please) Michelle is taking a pregnancy test. I think we should put in our guesses as to is she or isn't she. I will start....she is not. God knows those girls need a rest from all the child rearing that has been forced upon them. So now we may have 20 kids and counting.

As far as the kids going into higher education everyone knows that they can not because of the inadequate education that the parents gave them. Not only the education but they do not have the social skills that it will take to interact with society. Just as was demonstrated on the segment where the two oldest girls have joined the EMT services where they live. When it was time for them to go out to get their uniforms they took the pants and made skirts out of them. Everyone knows that EMTs wear pants only as a unisex uniform because what their works entail. Now lets get real...how are you going to crawl into a fliped over car or truck to get to the victims?? There is no way they can function in that compacity while wearing skirts. They further showed their indifference to the rules when they went in with the camera crew and pinned down the fire chief on his oponion of the skirts. I am sure he really wanted to say something other then how good the skirts and shoes looked. All the fire chief is going to allow them to do is be a glorified secretary. I know that their male counterparts are not glad that they will have to do all the work and the girls take all the glory for just standing around looking cute. What a crock!!

Okay, I am off my soapbox for now.

Janice 16 months ago

I too hope that she isn't pregnant. Michelle makes very little practical contribution that I can see to the running of the family, other than issuing marching orders. However, she IS still the mother. She risks either dying in childbirth herself, having a baby with even more serious health problems than Josie or both. Even if neither of these things happens, she's making yet another "jurisdiction" that her daughters will be encumbered with once the little millstone, er, blessing is six months old. It's no skin off Michelle's nose if she pumps o9ut 3-4 more, because we all know that she won't be paying the dues in the form of childcare.

I think that these little volunteer stints the Duggars are shown doing are just window-dressing. After all the backlash they encountered over Josie's birth, they need to demonstrate their "normalcy" to the public. Their stupid "modesty" has NO place in EMT work; worse, they have a potential to be impediments to their colleagues. If they think they can conduct EMT duties in skirts, then they know as much about EMT work as I do about space shuttle design. Maybe less; at least I know that the part with the fins goes on the ground.

Laynie84 16 months ago

I'm curious? God forbid if one of the girls are at the scene of an accident as volunteer EMT's, and a victim dies because the male EMT who was supposed to be helping him, is to busy looking at the Dugger girls legs and maybe whats under those skirts,(cause the wind blew them up). Can the Fire Department be sued even though these people are volunteers? Would it all be hushed up because they are Duggars? Yes it would!!! These silly little girls have no place in any position, whether volunteer or pay based, if they are not going to abide by the rules that the rest of us have to. Can you believe one of those girls wants to become a Nurse! This isnt the 1950's, and they dont wear skirts anymore. They wear unisex scrubs AKA=PANTS! Would the rules be bent for them in that sittuation as well? The Duggars are supposed to be all accepting of everyone else and their beliefs, but they continue to show the utmost contempt to follow rules to suit their own selfish beliefs!

To the Duggars (because I know someone is watching this site, if not a distant Relative): Come down off your high Richeous horse! If you want to live in that little bubble of a perfect (retches) world, which you have created then thats fine...the best to you! However when you do venture out into the World the rest of us live in, we ask this: Abide by our rules. By not doing so you are spitting in our faces, and saying you think you are better than us. Please teach your children common sense...atleast enough to get them through being out in Public! This will not kill them. In fact it may help them a little. Jimbob, please wipe that stupid grin off of your face from time to time. I think all that hairspry is affecting you in a bad way! Michelle...do I even have to say it? Let me just ask you a question. If you die bringing a "BLESSING" into this World (God forbid). Will that be Gods will? Would he have planned that all along? To take away the little of a mother those children do have? Do you even care??? I think not. You only live to serve your own selfish needs. PITIFUL!!!

BIRTH CONTROL, BIRTH CONTROL...YAY BIRTH CONTROL!!!

This has been a Public Service announcement...Please Spay and Neuter your Pets, or Duggars:-)

Laynie84 16 months ago

Exactly, Paulie!

tessalou 16 months ago

I think that the saddest part of all of Michelle's having so many babies is that the girls already have had enough of rearing her children to even want any of their own. They do not want to get married because they have been doing all the chores that a wife and mother do. JimBob is desperate and is inviting all these larger families to his house and on the show to try and jumpstart the girls into marriage. Being part of the quiverful sect was a natural thing for both the grils and boys as they were in their formative years...but now by being on this show for the last 6 years they have seen the difference between what was shoved down their throats and how the real world is. Not only do the girls not want to get married neither does the next oldest son John David.

Being so large they have had to do without alot of stuff. Their parents have lied to them about real society to scare the crap out of them from even thinking about straying from the sect. But doing the show is slowly beginning to unravel the childrens forced belief system. Or at least I hope that it is. They are now seeing that it is not all sin and evil and that people are not what they were led to belive they were.

I wonder what will happen to Michelle when she can no longer have another child? She is so addicted to getting pregnant that she will no longer believe that she has no more reason to be a woman. No one to oww and ahh over her and the baby. She may really lose it and that is so very sad. Who knows...she may even pull a Loranne Bobbit on JimBob to get that stupid grin off his face once and for all.

You would think that after having Josie and nearly losing her that Michelle would have bowed her head and asked Jesus if this was his way of saying to her "my daughter your time to have my blessings are over and you need to take care of all the blessings that I have already given you and to rest your weary body now." But instead she is touting about having another child. It was as if she is in denial about what happened to Josie. Almost as if it never even happened at all. This woman has no comprehension about the danger she is putting the next child into. But then it is almost as if she and Anna are competing on who can get more babies or pregnant most. Would she really do that? That would be a really sick woman if that was true.

Off the soapbox again.

tessalou 16 months ago

I have started watching the old re-runs of the Duggars 17 kids and counting. In this episode JimBob takes the kids to a drive thru safari to volunteer. Before they go he explains to the kids that it is the same as when Jesus washed the feets of his male hosts and giving of himself to his people. All the Duggars did was throw food to the animals and run around looking like fools. Naturally the man who owned the safari said that all he asked for was for them not to chase the animals. Guess who did? It was James Duggar chasing the poor old potbellied pig. The others were too busy having a food fight with the stale bread they were throwing out of the back of the truck. JimBob was in the thick of the food fight.

I guess that you could say my biggest pet peeve is when people do not service their communities. I could care less if you were a christian, buddist, a believer (which I am), an atheist, or agnostic. I am a firm believer of helping my mankind whenever and however I can. I do not give money because in this time and age it goes into someones pocket and the people who do need it does not get it. I give food, clothing, (I humble myself) and make afghans for the poor and elderly in nursing homes, I also make baby blankets for the poor immagrant and teenage mothers who can not afford one for her baby, I see a man sitting on a street bench and you can tell he is homeless and hungry so I go to a fast food place and buy him what I can with what little money I do have and take it to him myself. Feeding animals and acting like ten year olds is not humbling yourself and serving your fellow man. It is volunteering for PR purposes only.

This brings us to the Duggars favorite word that they use quite often on the show. JOY. It is suppossed to stand for Jesus, others, yourself. They use the JOY word to teach the kids to eat last when they have company over. Excuse me, I was taught that company was always served first out of common courtesy and manners, not because you may not have enough to eat. If you are going to use Jesus to service his people then do it the right way and service his people. Do not claim that feeding a bunch of animals is doing his work. And it makes it alot worse when JimBob is standing at the dinning room table holding an open bible trying to look like he knows what he is really doing when in my oponion he is slapping Jesus himself in the face.

Off my soapbox again until the next show airs.

Janice 16 months ago

Actually, I don;t for a minute begrudge the girls their nicer (read: 21st century) clothes, jewelry and makeup. Their lives are so constricted that these are probably the only pleasures they get in life. Far be it from me to say they don't deserve them.

The safari episode illustrates that they have no empathy for the lower forms of life, or for any humans for that matter. They also have no respect for other people's property rights. The safari owner had a valid reason for telling them to leave the animals alone; it probably took him hours to settle them all down after the Duggars left. For the same reason, even if by some miracle, they obtained legitimate educations, they would still have trouble holding jobs. Can anyone picture employers tolerating such cavalier treatment of their property? Not to mention that Duggar employers would sashay in when they felt like it, because they're constitutionally incapable of punctuality.

I suspect that this trainwreck, er, show is on its last legs, as shown by TLC having moved the airing to 10:30 PM on a Monday. How many trips can they make (at the expense of their so-called homeschooling) and how many megafamilies can they host? I think the caa-caa will really hit the fan once there are no more fat checks to collect from TLC.

Laynie84 16 months ago

I think the prime example of their inability to hold legitamate jobs is the fact that the only two with actual jobs (Josh and John David) were given those businesses by "Daddy". What would those two have done if they had to actually find jobs of their own, with their Education? Not to mention if they were lucky enough to find one it would not last because of their belief that they are special and rules should be bent for them! You notice the only thing the two oldest girls could get was a volunteer based position where the standards are lax to say the least!

I got a chill up my spine when I heard that Josh and Anna Duggar had stated that they were looking to beat Josh's parents record (so far) of 19, and go for atleast 25 kids themselves! Is this a damn game??? It sure didnt take Anna long to sink down to the Duggar's level of stupididty did it?

I dont feel pity for the "of age" Duggars. It does not matter how you were raised, you always have a choice. My mother was abused terribly as a child but still rose above it, and decided not to follow the path of her parents. I'm not saying it's easy to break away, and yes, you do have a disability being raised like that, but "CHOICE" is what it's all about, and those children have it when they come of age! Feel pity for the ones that are still left behind to suffer. Not the ones who choose to stay!

Jess 16 months ago

Oh my gosh you guys are soooo mean :(((( I love this family. God bless them.

Laynie84 16 months ago

So Jess...are we mean because you cant find a way to explain how such a good, God fearing family can do these things, so you lash out with such a childish useless post. Or are we mean because we have all been transported back to the 3rd Grade?

Oh my gosh I have a headache:))))) God bless Aleve!

Supporter 16 months ago

I see no problem with the Duggars. If the are able to have 19 children and support them and love them then why not? I mean yeah it does sound a little odd, but they are happy and they seem to do very well with such a large family. And as for how the kids act, I must say I'm impressed. The kids are all very well behaved and giving. I believe this is because the parents raise them to put others before themselves. So instead of talking bad about them, why not try to be more like them because they seem to be doing something right.

Laynie84 16 months ago

Oh my God....I think I will let someone else take that one:-)

Janice  16 months ago

Sorry, Supporter, but feeding, clothing and sheltering their children is the beginning, not end, of JimBob and Michelle's responsibility. The way they're going now, they will have to feed and shelter these kids for the rest of their lives. They have NOT been preparing any of these children to earn livelihoods in adulthood. Not only are they not prepared to earn livings, but when they reach their 60s, most of them will be unable to qualify for social security benefits because they won't have accumulated at least 10 years' worth of creditable social security. Their only hope will be to marry someone who HAS acquired the necessary credits. The 2 oldest boys own their own businesses but they didn't start from scratch and grow those businesses from the ground up, like most other people would have to do. They were given both of those businesses in turn-key condition by their father. I also suspect that some of the younger boys, unable to earn livings in skilled trades or in businesses of their own, will end up working for one or the other brother.

As for the girls, none of them have the education or training to even do that much. While they may know everything about running a household, they would be hard pressed to work in an office or factory; they just don't have the skills. All they have been trained to do is be unpaid, indentured servants to their parents and their younger siblings.

On top of that, JimBob and Michelle have not instilled the usual work ethic needed to keep a job today. The family is habitually late, sometimes by more than an hour, for almost every function they attend. JimBob even jokes that they live on "Duggar Time" which translated means their time is valuable, yours is not. Can you imagine a conventional employer, especially one who's already hanging on by tooth and claw, putting up with that? Then there's their disregard for other people's property as shown by the way they behaved when they rented a house in Little Rock during Josie's hospitality. They probably felt self-righteous about trashing the place, since it had once been lived in by Margaret Sanger. Lastly, their isolation has prevented them from learning social skills like tolerance, patience or compromise all of which they would need in the average modern workplace.

As for the way their kids act, sorry, but they aren't THAT well behaved. The younger boys rollerskate, ride their bikes in the house and generally run around with little else to do. The Duggars own 20 acres of land, so why can't the boys engage in those activities outside? Better yet, they should have regularly-scheduled chores inside the house, both to take the load off the girls and use up some of that suppressed energy. I have also seen the kids act like they're special because of their background, and be extremely snotty to anyone who does not conform to their ideas of propriety and godliness. As for "putting others before themselves" this to me is a blueprint for abuse, both among themselves and by any outsiders who interact with them. There are times when you HAVE to put yourself first, especially if your life or wellbeing are at stake.

Janice 16 months ago

Just so no one thinks I'm callous: I'm not. I have no problem with cutting some slack for people whose ignorance is not of their own doing. Especially if the same people lack the means to change their circumstances any time soon. What I have no patience for is WILLFUL (and in the case of the Duggars) militant ignorance. This family has all the means in the world to learn more but won't. Then they cop out by claiming it as "God's Will". Not it isn't, it is your will and you're just using God as a prop to avoid owning it yourselves.

Jeff 16 months ago

What is sad is that everyone criticising this family for how they live, and/or what religion they are, and what they wear, seem to mention how they are not individuals and they are creepy because they are all the same. However, the sad part is that just because they don't fit in the box of what you think a family should be you ostracize them and put them down.

I'm glad we live in a country where people are free to wear what they want, believe what they want, and raise a family in the way they believe is right.

Do I agree with everything they believe and how they raise a family? No, I don't. But that is their choice. Frankly I don't agree with most of everyone's posts on this site.

You criticise the Duggars for having too many kids. I criticize your parents for having too many kids. Should they have stopped before having you? Be glad they didn't quit and that they live in a country where they can choose to have more children and raise (or not) their kids in how they saw fit.

Laynie84 16 months ago

I notice that whenever a supporter of this family pops up (whether they support them for their beliefs, or their right to believe what they will) they always spout the same old bull like, "we are jealous" or "this is a free country" or "it's none of our business". It's clear that you know you cannot in any way defend or explain why these people do these things that piss other people off so much, so you stick to the same old argument. Of course you could always say that your too good to critisize them, but can you even try to understand why some of us are so upset and feel we have to speak out?

Let's think for a moment...if this is a free country, and we should just sit back and let people do as they will, THEN HOW DARE A MAN WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE SO ACCEPTING OF OTHER PEOPLES BELIEFS AND RIGHTS TRY TO TAKE AWAY A WOMANS RIGHT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER BODY, BY MAKING BIRTH CONTROL ILLEGAL FOR ANYONE!!! Is that not critisizing our beliefs??? THINK, THINK, THINK!!!

Laynie84 16 months ago

I notice that whenever a supporter of this family pops up (whether they support them for their beliefs, or their right to believe what they will) they always spout the same old bull like, "we are jealous" or "this is a free country" or "it's none of our business". It's clear that you know you cannot in any way defend or explain why these people do these things that piss other people off so much, so you stick to the same old argument. Of course you could always say that your too good to critisize them, but can you even try to understand why some of us are so upset and feel we have to speak out?

Let's think for a moment...if this is a free country, and we should just sit back and let people do as they will, THEN HOW DARE A MAN WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE SO ACCEPTING OF OTHER PEOPLES BELIEFS AND RIGHTS TRY TO TAKE AWAY A WOMANS RIGHT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER BODY, BY MAKING BIRTH CONTROL ILLEGAL FOR ANYONE!!! Is that not critisizing our beliefs??? THINK, THINK, THINK!!!

Laynie84 16 months ago

sorry about the double post.

Janice 16 months ago

NOBODY here cares what the Duggars believe; they're free to believe anything they like. The objections being raised concern the indentured servitude they impose on their daughters, along with all of the children's lack of preparedness for the outside world. Michelle and JimBob are directly to blame for this. There's also the issue of Josie. If they're doing anything to compensate for her being behind physically and mentally, how come it isn't shown during the show? In the absence of any proof otherwise, it seems they are treating her as just one of the bunch, and she's NOT!

As far as jealousy, what do the Duggars have that any of the posters here could envy? You have Michelle, whose sole mission in life is to breed more worker bees, er. blessings to foist off on her daughters and who furthermore sounds like Shirley Temple on PCP when she speaks. You have JimBob, who has single-handledly cornered the market on Aquanet (boy, do I wish I'd bought stock in that company before the show started). Nobody I can think of envies their resrictions on movements or lack of intellectual stimulation. I would just LOVE to have no friends but my siblings, or wear my hair down to my butt because Daddy likes it. If I was going to bother being jealous, I would much sooner expend the emotion on people who had things I wanted, or lived the kind of lives that I would want.

Laynie84 16 months ago

Janice. Yes, the Duggars have the right to believe what they want, as long as they dont try to shove those beliefs down other peoples throats, which is what they are doing! Trust me Janice, plenty of people here care what the Duggars believe. That has been proven time and time again in posts on this topic.

Tatlvr 16 months ago

ok. i'm a christian, i believe in god, but OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE. these kids need to go to school, make friends, and see the REAL WORLD. these poor kids are gonna be living in cardboard boxes in an alley someday because of their dumbass parents! the world only has room for so many people! imagine if all these kids had 19 kids, their kids had 19 kids, and so on and so forth! they have no friends and no lives. no tv, even though they are expected to perform like puppets on their own ridiculous little tv show. jim bob and michelle, i know god wants us to be fruitful, but that doesnt mean u gotta go and have 19 frekin kids! michelle, with what happened to josie when she was born, dont u think thats a sign to stop?! u are 41! open ur freaking eyes! youre not gonna keep popping those little brainwashed monsters forever, sweetheart. instead of having another baby, y dont u go adopt one??? it could make a kid really happy! how selfish. duggars, you make me want to barf my freaking guts up.

Janice 16 months ago

You're right, Laynie my verbiage is sloppy. I agree that the Duggars are welcome to believe what they like as long as they don't force the rest of us to agree with them. Believe me, I don't. They support the kind of people like Mike Huck(ster)abee and Rick Santorum who would happily abolish civil liberties for everyone but themselves and their followers. I'm so glad I do not watch the latest installments of the show. I can only take so much stupidity in one sitting.

Laynie84 16 months ago

Tatlvr...I'm going to have nightmares now, thinking about all of the Duggar children reproducing like bunnies, but it's the truth...come 20 years from now, we all might have a Duggar as a neighbor!!!

As a mother, I want to protect my child from everything that could possibly cause harm to her, whether it be through TV, music, or people. However I live in the "Real World", and I know that there are some things that you cannot control, and trying to control too much of it can cause more harm then good as in the Duggar childrens case. This can be a very harsh world to live in, and it is our job as parents to prepare our children for the "Real World"(Michelle and Jimbob have failed miserably at this!)! These children do not live in the "Real World". They live in a fantasy world created by their parents (though I dont know if the girls think of it as a fantasy world)! Just listen to how these children speak! They say, "Normal people do this, and normal people do that" in trying to explain their own ways, and it scares me! Do they consider themselves abnormal???

I for one would like to see an experiment where the oldest Duggar children had to surrvive for a year completely on their own! Without mommy and daddy to find them jobs, or give them a business! I would like to see if they could do it...actually surrvive here with us "Normal people"!!! I think we all know what would happen there. Thats the problem. Tatlvr, you are right like so many others. These children would be on the streets if their surrvival depended solely on their education and knowledge of the world.

Before all of the Pro-Duggars pop up, let me give you some answers in advance. You will ask "Why is any of this our business"? I will say it again. The Duggars have chosen freely to plaster themselves all over TV, and it is our right to critisize them. Exspecially when so many people seem to be so sickly entranced by them (though I do think the Duggars popularity is fading). You will ask "Well the point is they have their parents to take care of them, so who cares if they have not been properly prepared for the real world"? Well consider how many people out there take the Duggars beliefs to heart, and turn to their way of life. What about those children who are raised the same way, but whose parents dont have the resources to provide for their children? What happens when those unprepared children have to face the cold world they have been sheiled against ALONE! So many people out there look to the Duggars as role models, and yes that is their choice, but it still scares and saddens me:-(

This is a scarey world we live in, and the Duggars seem to make it a little scarier...and utterly ridiculous!!!

tessalou 16 months ago

The Duggar family is a very scary family indeed. The kids have little or no preparation for the real world. This is my biggest gripe about this family. Kids are being born and neglected by the parents such as the kids in this family or any other large families.

I could care less how long their hair is or how they dress. I do mind that they use the bible to their advantage to make their show look good, not how the book was meant to be used to a christian. So I view them as "false prophets" because of the amount of people who idolize and worship them. Deludional christians is a very scary and sick part of todays society. People are trying to find some quick way to believe in something without having to put too much work into it. So the Duggars have made this family into a job and not as a loving family. This is sad to me.

Everyone who knows about the Duggars knows that the children think that they are special because they are on tv and look down at the rest of us as if we were less than they are. None of the children have enough education to make it in the real world even if they wanted to. I imagine that mom and dad have already scarred the heck out of them and they do not want to venture out into the world. If their parents died all the children would be homeless and living on the street. It is the parents responsibility to teach the child how to survive in the world knowing that the children will out live them.

Is what the Duggars do our business? Yes, because of the harm that they have done to their children. They will be on welfare and many will probably be on SSI (social security income) because their parents have messed with their heads so much and have made them too disabled to work and survive in the world. Both of these come out of our taxes and what we have put into social security for our old ages. This is not fair to the rest of us. If you want all these children then teach them how to live in our society and not their fantasy world.

Maid2BMother 16 months ago

The reason the Duggars are on TV is because society placed them in the spotlight. TLC scouted for a large family. I think this woman is insane. I have five children. I home school 3 of them. Home school here is not what it is in the Duggar home. My children attend a Virtual Public Pilot School (my kids were being bullied). We tried going at it alone; with 2 babies in the home it was impossible. The Duggar girls are NOT attending any courses other than Home Ec. I'm not religious so I don't understand why they all have to dress alike. I'm all about the big bang. I do believe we are one F-d up accident. The family is going to cash in on every "love offering", donation, and tax deduction possible.

Unlike the Duggars, we have twins 13(on purpose), 8 a middle child (on purpose), then we had a vasectomy, shortly after we were surprised with twins,3yrs now. Oddly enough no other double-mints are in our families..haha. I'm rambling now but my point is she is Einstein's definition of insanity: Repeating the same action expecting a different result. After 3 the personalities start repeating! She probably doesn't even know the personalities of all her kids. I'm taking notes on mine. She's got 10 years on me so I know she can't catch the little ones putting things in their mouths constantly. Could be why they went on EMT/fire duty. My children complete a daily list of goals and school work. The Duggars complete a master list of work which is handed down to the oldest girls. The boys have a cake-walk. In my house both genders do inside and outside jobs. Michelle acts as if it's so funny that the girls tend to her every whim while pregnant. I'd like to wag my finger in her face until her stupid smile vanishes. These kids are not old enough to carry the burden of parenting another human being; especially when that human is your mother! Stop sucking the lives out of your children while sitting on your ass-embly line.

These kids are not allowed to have outside friends. I like the safety here, but as with most good intentions there-in lies the harm. The kids could be taken to a community center where the public school kids gather, play skee-ball, and other various activities. Centers are heavily supervised and parents are welcome. Shutting the outside world out doesn't mean the rest of us cease to exist. The girls need healthy teen relationships with boys. They need to have their hearts broken when their bff is kissing there soon-to-be former boyfriend. The no kissing until marriage is a prison sentence. Have you ever kissed a guy and wanted to run, it was so awful? These girls may get that kiss on the wedding day! They need dating rules not a cage. The children are well-behaved because what other choice do they have? Are they going to escape Arkansas? I guess I'm a terrible mother because I consider my 13yr olds refusal to wear my suggested turtleneck an indicator on mental health. She is finding her independence from me. These people seem to have no goals for their children beyond diapering the new baby. I have never seen the parents talk about hope for the kids becoming doctors, lawyers, engineers, or social workers (lol). I look forward to the day my twins (1st set) will walk across the stage with a degree in Dentistry from UMB (their pick from 4yrs to become dentists, it‘s weird). So far I see baby machines and used car dealers from the Duggar Clan. The world DEFINITELY has a shortage of those….HAHAHAHAHAH! The lack of intellectual/mental growth in the Duggar children would frustrate me as a mother/ teacher/ caregiver.

Couples are free to fill their hearts with as many children as they please. I love all of mine without fail. Do I think correctly raising 19 is possible? No. There seems to be a method to their madness that I cannot swallow. My body is my own, not to industrialize reproduction. Your children are not a product. Please stop selling these kids to the highest media bidder. I hope the children find themselves well in the end. I suppose there is always therapy.

Laynie84 16 months ago

Maid2BMother...TLC may have scouted for a large family, but I (and I am sure, many others) as a member of "Society" sure did not place them there, or in any way desire for it! I see what your saying, but do not agree.

I agree with you about the Homeschooling. I dont know what their lesson plans are like, but if their behavior and speech is any indicator of that, I would say it's crap! I was pulled out of Public school in 7th Grade because I was a Victim of severe bullying, so I completely understand why you took your kids out. My mother also made sure that I was very active with other children my age so I would miss out on as little "Social interaction" as possible. Homeschooling is not what the Duggars make it out to be, and no ammount of ATI Homeschooling conferences is going to make up for what these kids are missing out on.

What you said about Jimbob and Michelle not encouraging their children for greater things is so true. I have only ever heard two of the older girls mention what they would like to become someday, a Teacher and Nurse. It's sad to think that these are mere dreams they have of independence, and will most likely never come true:-( I notice the boys never talk about their career goals. I guess seeing Josh and John David being given pre-chosen careers takes the worry off their minds!

THANK GOD JOHN DAVID LOST HIS BID FOR CITY COUNCIL, IN TONTITON!!! YAY, YAY, YAY:-)

Ashe 15 months ago

People like this need to ADOPT CHILDREN that need homes instead of spawning them compulsively. This family is nothing short of a cult residing in a bloody compound.

FREE AFRICA.

Cindy 15 months ago

Oh, I'm sure you'll find people who agree with you, but I had to laugh at YOU when you said, "I have never seen Mr. or Mrs. Duggar.... smacking or yelling at their kids - in other words they are just not normal like the rest of us parents." If anything is creepy and weird, it's that quote from you. Smacking and yelling at your kids is a poor attempt at trying to gain control. The Duggars realize that God is in control and have fortunately realized that smacking and yelling isn't the way to handle children. Hopefully one day you will realize the same.

pinkkitten 15 months ago

Hi there my American cousins!! I'm watching this fascinating documentary series 'across the pond' in the UK. Can anyone tell me just how far behind we are with the story? I've just watched the one which focused mainly on Josh and Anna after they returned from honeymoon..(I'm amazed they didn't take the camera crew along!) Ma and Pa had their 19th not long ago, and she's not yet pregnant with the next one Josie I think?) How many programmes to go til I'm brought up to date?

Ellie 15 months ago

pinkkitten there are enough people in UK breeding like rabbits to get child benefit. We do not need more. Whether your reason is to "be fruitful and multiply" or get the welfare check. I suggest you watch something educative.

Laynie84 15 months ago

I agree that smacking or yelling at your children should never be considered "Normallcy"! I believe every parent must find their own way, when it comes to discipline. How is smacking your child across the face (even when they are at their worst!) going to teach them, because thats the goal, right? You will teach them not to control themselves, because mom and/or dad sure dont, and that it's alright to release anger like that!

God is not in control of the Duggar children!!! I think God would of run away tearing his hair out by now:-) The older girls are in charge of the younger ones, and they simply cannot teach (and should never have to) what a parent should! The only thing I have ever seen Michelle Duggar do is, gently grab her "Little one" by the chin, look into their eyes, and say "We dont do that". Apparently if she has their eyes, she has their hearts??? Then the camera zooms off to find the "Little one" making a face, and going right back to what they were doing! What good little children. HaHaHa!!!

Jill Duggar is studying to become a Midwife. She was the one who had the Dream of becoming a Nurse, and I guess she realized the rules would not be bent for her about wearing skirts instead of scrubs. In a way I'm sort of glad that she will be doing something of her own, but it's still sad:-( The Duggars have brought their girls to a point where even being a Nurse (I'm sure God would approve!) is unthinkable if they cant wear skirts! Shame on them!

Melody 15 months ago

I really wouldnt mind the Duggars at all if it werent for the world already not being able to produce enough food for its population.

Other than that I admire how happy they are all fo the time for seemingly absolutely no reason.

I dont agree with how they live, but like I said, if it wasnt affecting the entire human population so much, I wouldnt care at all. People who say "it doesnt affect your life at all" are extremely ignorant to all of the global problems we are dealing with. SO unless all of their kids end up working to cure cancer and solve world hunger, they can all go to hell =)

Ellen 15 months ago

Let's take a good look at all the comments: 1. Everyone gets tax dollars and money from the public funds...your tax refund and your social security and your schools comes from money paid by the ones who pay taxes; 2.Your taxes fund public schools that your kids go to; 3.Your medical care is funded by a group of people who pay into that company not just your money.;4. Children who have life skills are more likely to be responsible citizens and those who do not feel that everyone owes them a living!; 5.In the early days, many parents chose to have large families and the older ones helped care for the younger ones.;6.Being happy is not a sin!;7. If all of us lived by the 10 Commandmants, we wouldn't need laws cause the 10 commandments are a condensed version of our laws.;7.Michelle happens to be fertile and she also has the right to do with her body as she wants....just like the women's movement advocates. She also has the right to believe her children are gifts. Many parents feel that school is the best thing since nannies! Public school has become a babysitting service and how happy parents are when school is open!; 8; The Duggar kids will be paying your Medicare if our debts in this country don't kill the program and they will also be strong in their beliefs that life is precious aka not aborting for the sake of doing what they want with their body and forget that what grows inside is not a thing but a child!; 9.Duggars are honest! Help is a gift given of choice not cause it was requested! They live within their means and they do have insurance....why fill out the insurance forms at the doctor if you don't have it?; 10.Well behaved kids are very difficult to find and ones that care about their siblings or friends are even more rare! The Duggars have a code of ethics we all need to adopt! LAST of all, Jim Bob is an American who has every right to run for office and he also is a trustworthy man who has good morals. Why scowl at his running for political office? He has the right to do that. He didn't win cause of his religious beliefs! he won cause folks know that he had a great reputation and could use that moral attitude to help them! If you believe what stuff you get online, you are very deceived! The media has not been honest and has been slanted for many years now!

Laynie84 15 months ago

Ellen. Can I pretty please have a pair of those rose colored blinders you wear? I could really use them:-)For the day's I dont have to live in the real world (never), I would love to be able to sink into that little fantasy world of you'rs.

You have failed....as many other Duggar lovers do, to even attempt to make a good point:-(

If you're sole intent was to give us a headache with that post, than congradulations! You have succeeded!

Let's sat it all together...BREED DUGGARS BREED...YOU ARE OUR ONLY HOPE!!! HOW COULD WE NEVER HAVE REALIZED YOU WILL PAY FOR OUR OLD AGE!!! HOW THOUGHTFUL OF YOU! I WAS SO WRONG! HAHAHA. I'm being sarcastic of course:-)

P.S. Ellen, you said..."If you believe what stuff you get online, you are very deceived! The media has not been honest and has been slanted for many years now!"

Where are you getting you're information?

Laynie84 15 months ago

Answers: for Ellen:-)

4. Life skills you are taught by parents only help if they can be applied to the real world!

5. The "early days". What is it now...the semi early days? The thing is, that it's not ok now. The world is smaller, and their are too many people in it! Stick to the facts!

6. Being happy is wonderful, as long as you dont try to use the media to shove that "happiness" down other people's throats!

7. Oh please...always the same. Ask James if you want a debate on that!

8. There is a small chance that some of the Duggar boys might mantain legitamate jobs, and pay into Medicare, but not the girls...and the way they are going that's the majority. So to say or insinuate it evens out, is obserd!

9. Liars, Liars, Liars!!! Read the Posts!!! Oh but I forgot...we get that information from unreliable places:-(

10. You're statement about the older children caring about the younger ones insinuates CHOICE! Is that what they have, because it does not look like it to me? Like I said. I could use those rose colored blinders.

And last...of course Jimbob won office years ago. No Politician will tell you their absolute true intentions (exspecially when they concern Birth Control!) until their place is secure. Alot of touchy subjects are avoided by Politicians! It's called putting on a face, and Jimbob is quite good at it.

Willis 15 months ago

To the person who wrote this. Why do you hate the Duggers? What have they done to you. If they want to have a bunch of kids and support them thats great! They seem to be happy, while you seem to be a downer. They haven't done or taken one thing from you. To be honest the world is probally a better place with them. they help many people and are very caring, and frankly you should be more like the Duggers (Caring,Happy, Self-Relient, and love life). When was the last time you did somthing nice? Let me take a guess of who you are. Probally someone who either lives off the government, a government employee, or in a union. All the same to me. You aren't happy. Probally divoriced. Don't have too much going on in the fun department. At a party would probally sit with your two outcasted friends that noone can tolerate and make fun of everyone. Dropped out of college (if you made it that far). At a dead end job counting til you get your state pension. Kinda a feminist, but would do anything to put yourself ahead. Fake. It's hard for you to wake up and look yourself in the mirror (so you make fun of others). Were a bulley in middle school. And to top it all off probally voted for Obahama Mama. Could go on but am kinda bored. Just wanted to let you know what I thought. I think you are jealous of the Duggers! You just don't like to see other people happy because you are miserable and unsuccessful, but keep pretending the world is better off having you in it. trust me it's not.

Lale 15 months ago

Hi Willis

Just out of curiosity, are you a visionary? Do you have some magic powers and can see ones true personality just by reading their posts?

Kind regards

Lale

Laynie84 15 months ago

Thank you Willis...for proving my point about Duggar lovers:-) I hope that little rant actually made you feel better...but no, you dont have it right, but to sit here and go on and on about what you think you have right would be useless:-(

Like alway's, people like you cant stick to the point (or even try), and just turn to childish personal insult's on someone they dont understand (of course you could say that I do the same with the Duggar's, but atleast I try to stick to a little fact?)...without even hitting the nail on the head?. That's ok though, because instead of upsetting me hahaha, you have actually allowed me to see who you really are, and it is quite sad:-)

Maybe we can get back to the Duggar's now? These diversionary Middle School tactics are soooo tiresome!

P.S. I guess I really should be sitting in my miserable little corner, with my two outcast friend's, waiting for Obama"s latest speech, on my Welfare paid for rabbit eared TV??? SARCASM!!! Well, atleast we know what Willis is doing right now:-)

DJR 15 months ago

Everyone should just mind their own business. If they are not breaking the law than all of you haters should just shut up.

Laynie84 15 months ago

DJR. I would love to mind my own business, and stop "Hating" on the poor innocent Duggar's, if the Duggar's would shut up, and stop plastering themselves everywhere, and flat out lying to everyone!

If the Duggar's were my next door neighbors, and did not publicize themselves, then I would say "Who gives a damn", but sadly they are not, and they choose to lie to the face of the Public, over and over again!

P.S. It is our business when we can't go anywhere without seeing their faces:-( There used to be a time when you could simply ignore them, but not now! All I ask the Duggar's is to stop LYING!!! Be who you are...believe what you want...live how you want (as long as you're not hurting anyone)...but stand by you're beliefs!!! Dont just put on a pretend face for the Public, and say you dont judge people, and are accepting of other peoples beliefs, and respect them...and then turn around in secret and do thing's like, Protest an Abortion clinic on the sly...with you're infant children!!! If you dont believe in Abortion, or Birth Control, and want to Protest it, then that's you're right! Atleast have the courage to stand by that belief...even if it's not that good for PR!

As long as the Duggar's continue to lie, I, and I am sure many other's, will continue to speak out against them! So if insult's and childish remarks are really all you have, then by all means keep throwing them if it makes you feel better...it does not deter anyone, and only serves to reafirm my belief's:-)

Sarah Lerner 15 months ago

Creepy? Maybe but selfish definitely. People who have more than one kid are selfish pricks. Our planet is facing overpopulation but that doesn't stop vanity express. Crime, starvation, poor parenting, price of food and disease? Blame it on those pompous jerks who cant keep their hormones in check. If you deny the evidence then you are part of the problem.

Janice 15 months ago

To anyone, even and including me, who thinks that the Duggars' beliefs are nobody else's business: GUESS AGAIN!

1. Their children are in no way equipped to earn their own way, even by fundie standards. Even if they manage to scratch out livings somehow, chances are that their children and grandchildren will be even more ill-equipped than they are. Our own descendants will be burdened with the taxes necessary to support them and re-train them for paying employment. Not to mention paying for all their underage children. Why should the public have to support people who went out of their way to make themselves unemployable and ineducable?

2. More and more "fundy" politicians are infiltrating their way into positions of power. These are people who will happily rescind even our most basic civil liberties and by happy coincidence, the Duggars support many of them or their philosophies. I remember when JimBob ran for the Senate nomination in 2000; he and Rick Santorum co-authored a spectacular piece of wingnuttery which would have outlawed all birth control in the United States, even for married couples.

I saw, for the first time in a long while, a recent episode of the Duggar, one which featured JimBob and eleven of his kids, going to El Salvador. They brought cheap toys (doubtless made in Asian sweatshops) and candies to the local and JimBob came on like Lord Bountiful, saying that the family's presence had enriched the locals. Oh, yeah? Why didn't any of you learn enough Spanish to give simple greetings? If they wanted to help, they could have pitched in to rebuild one of the houses. And as far as toys and candies, a more practical gift would have been water purification tables, salt pills, mosquito netting, infant formula, etc. But no, they had to bring toys and candy and then expected the recipients to kiss their feet (along with other parts of their anatomies). I could smell the entitlement right through the TV screen. Oh, and after all this time, the girls are still wearing those god-forsaken flip-flops even though the mission director instructed them all to wear comfortable shoes, i.e. ones that stood a chance of deflecting snakes and insects. They all think that they are either special snowflakes, or immortal, or both.

This family combines the least-charming aspects of "The Handmaid's Tale" and "The Stepford Wives". I hate seeing the girls bust their asses while Michalle stands around doing nothing but nurse and give marching orders. She has so few mothering skills, that while the rest of the family was in El Salvador, she needed 3 people-Grandma Duggar, her niece Amy and one of Anna Duggars sisters-to take care of the remaining 7 children. Since Josie is special needs, I could understand her needing help from ONE person, but three?

People snark on Josh as "Smuggar", and he is. But I can't help feeling a little sorry for him, since he had once wanted to be a lawyer. I wonder how he felt when he googled the academic and professional requirements, only to discover that Ma and Pa had sold him a bill of goods?I DON'T want to go to sleep one night and wake up in the Republic of Gilead instead of the Unites States. Being postmenopausal, I would probably be a prime candidate for hard labor in a toxic waste site.

Laynie84 15 months ago

"It's not our business how the Duggar's live"??? I think the absurdity of that lie, is in the ammount of people who seem to be so sickly in love with these people that they feel the need to post on this forum, to try and defend the Duggar's with nothing but personal insults, and no facts! The fact is that in this world, everything we do affects everyone else, so yes...it is our business!

We dont live in the Medival ages anymore, so spin it anyway you want...having this many children is not right, and a slap in the face to you're fellow man who is suffering so badly! We as humans, have driven this world to sh**, because of our belief that we should be able to do what we want, and selfishly live how we want no matter the cosequences...and believing that if we say it's what God would want, then we are exscused!!! The Duggars are a prime example of PURE ARROGANCE!!! If you mistake that for being humble than so be it!

The Duggars use God as an exscuse for everything they do...and they do it knowing that so many people are sensitive to this, and want something to believe in. That's when the sad little people pop up saying that since the Duggar's claim it's God's will, it must be right to live like that. I wonder if the Duggar's had never brought God's name into this, if all of these Duggar lovers would still idolize them? Of course now they will say yes:-)

Ok. I'm done for now. Bring on the insult's:-)

Janice 15 months ago

I'd truly love to know why the Duggars' lifestyle is not supposed to be other people's business. They're having 19 children at a time when earth's population is rapidly approaching 7 billion, how are others not to concern themselves about that? Having that many children was understandable back in the 1800s. They were needed to man farms or small businesses and the child mortality rate was such that out 19 children, maybe 6 or 7 would live to adulthood or even past infancy. Newsflash for all the Duggar apologists: it ain't 1861 any more!

They are incredibly wasteful. Despite having two industrial-grade dishwashers they use disposable dishes, cutlery and glasses, even when company is present. They use disposable diapers in spite of having industrial quality washers and dryers. Since JimBob and Michelle do little around the house except make sure that none of the kids abandon the party line behind their backs, why can't they use real dishware and cloth diapers? Instead of loading the laundry and dishwashing duties on the girls they could easily do the laundry and run the dishwashers.

Their property is surrounded by 20 acres of land. With that much room they could easily put in fruit, vegetable and herb gardens, along with a chicken coop, but don't. They could also buy sides of beef and pork for freezing from the local farmers, but don't. Both these measures could reduce their carbon footprint while putting money into the local economy. Instead, they buy over-processed, sodium-laden crap from the supermarket. Michelle actually "rations" fruits and vegetables at mealtimes. Their diet makes my aorta contract in protest. Lest anyone doubt, I recently saw an episode of the show last Monday, for the first time in over a year. JimBob's gut now qualifies for foreign aid as a sovereign nation and enters/leaves rooms five minutes before the rest of him does.

Their lack of regard for their surroundings reflects their arrogance, that if "God says it" it's all right. However, God did NOT say it. He said be fruitful and multiply, not reproduce to the point of ignoring your own best interests. Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say that we can foul our own nest as they do. In fact, there are many verses in the Bible about husbanding your resources and being good stewards.

Their "right" to live as they please ends where the rest of society's right not to clean up their mess begins.

Silla 15 months ago

Oh Paulie's just bitter because his big family were put in the oven.

Aside from that, maybe Michelle is the one that wants to keep having babies? Maybe she just likes the feeling of dying on the inside everytimes she pops out a kid.

Although they are siblings, the kids alla look exactly the same, like God just said fuck it and decided to just give the same kid either a penis or a vagina at random.

Laynie84 15 months ago

I just had to bring this up:-) Did any of you see the episode of "19 Kids and counting" where Anna Duggar was driving that big Hummer around from Josh's lot (and was considering keeping it)? She said that she was actually living "GREENER" than "Normal" people with small gas efficient cars, because she used cloth diapers for her daughter, and that makes up for the Hummer! Can you believe that? That is the prime example of an ATI Homescooling Education at work!!!

I just could not help it...I mean come on people!!!

Janice 15 months ago

I didn't see this episode but heard about it. With 21 people, counting Grandma Duggar, in the house, their carbon footprint probably rivals Australia for size. Yet they make no effort to mitigate it in any way. This is all of a piece with their general arrogance, as well as their ignorance and lack of education. You can fix ignorance but there's no repairing stupid!

Speaking of Grandma Duggar, why is she doing shitwork for her son and his family? I would love to give her an AK47, point her at JimBob and let her tell him "Eff off, sonny, I brought you into this world and I can send you out of it too!".

I also heard that Josh and Anna got a kitten. Not a grown cat with some slight chance ot defending itself, but a KITTEN! McKynzie is way too young to be responsible for a pet, especially one that's just a baby itself. Judging by the Duggars' past record with pets, it's obvious that they don't consider animals to be living, breathing beings with feelings of their own. To me, they just use pets as props to demonstrate their "reverence" for life to the rest of us unsaved heathens. If the animals are scared, stressed and put-upon, well too damn bad.

Laynie84 14 months ago

Sadly I also heard, that the house that Josh & Anna Duggar have lived in since they were first married, was given to them by Grandma & Grandpa Duggar (Way before Grandpa Duggar got sick, and it became necessary to live with family for care!). That just seems a bit odd to me? To want to live with you're kids, because of you're sick husband is one thing. Who want's to go to a Nursing Home when you have family to care for you after all, and I can understand to a certain extent staying with you're son and his family after you're husband succumbs to his illness out of sadness, but giving away the home you and you're husband have spent you're lives raising you're children in, before you even need to, to grandkids, just so you can go and be a slave to you're son and his pathetically large and inconsiderate family baffles me?

The moral here is that unless you are popping out babies...oops, I meant "Blessings" at an alarming rate, then you are only good for house work, and child rearing! Michelle will be looking down that dark endless hole pretty soon, and maybe...just maybe, she will realize what it has been like for her daughters! I doubt it though:-(

Janice 14 months ago

For Michelle to have even a shot at recognizing the servitude she and Boob have imposed on their daughters, she would have to first stop simpering at JB for at least a few minutes. Then she would have to take a good, long look at all of her oldest daughters, for at least 15-20 minutes apiece. Ain't gonna happen, because she doesn't want to see fatigue, disgruntlement or disillusion. I think that overlooking such things is vital to her and Boob's mental health, because otherwise they might actually have to DO something about it. As it is, Michelle has derived her self-esteem from one thing, and one thing only-squeezing out yet another "blessing" at set intervals.

Anonymous 14 months ago

It's okay that the Duggar's have a bunch of kids.

The kid's are probably better adjusted than most of the people posting above.

It seems like lots of the negative comments above come from some weird position of envy and spite. You people need to go back and read yourselves, it really sounds like you are coming from a dark and scary place.

Get over it, the Duggar's are going to go on doing what they are doing.

They are raising a large happy and loving family, according to their own ideals, and generating a bit of celebrity on the way.

Janice 14 months ago

No it's NOT OK that the Duggars have a bunch of kids. The burning question here is not whether the Duggars can afford so many kids, but whether the rest of society can. These children will grow up eventually and most will marry and start families (hopefully not as large) of their own. Boob and Michelle have already proven, many times, that they cannot handle these many kids without the aid of their elder daughters and JimBob's mother. When you have so many children that you can't remember their names and have to delegate your older daughters as their "buddie" it's well past time to stop. Both these parents need another hobby: reading, sudoku, anyting that keeps them vertical instead of horizontal.

Anonymous, what gives you the idea that any of the other posters, especially the women, envy the Duggars? Do you seriously think that we resent not being able to simper at our husbands while ignoring the very kids that we produced? Do you think it bothers me that I can listen to whay I want, read what I want, wear what I want and above all THINK what I want? Do any of us sound eager to homeschool unruly kids, cook, clean and do laundry while our parents sit around all day giving orders and grinning at the cameras and our unoccupied brothers either sit on their entitled asses or run around like hooligans, disrupting our labors? Are we all eager to forego educations and the ability to support ourselves all to humor a man who's never had a wife or fathered children (that we know of)?

As to the the "dark and scary place", if you're talking about the far reaches of my clothes closet, I will give you a pass on that. Otherwise, who asked you?

You're right about the Duggars continuing to do what they do; that alone is enough to scare the hair off my head.

rose 1422 14 months ago

I like this family. They show what a family should be. As for the people that don't like them...So what!! Are you jelous?? What's your family like? Just because this family is loving and have it together, that's not normal?

Why don't you just live your own lives and leave these people alone!!! Someone needs to defend this family from disfunctional families that seem to be bothered by a good family.

Laynie84 14 months ago

...and 2 more join the bandwagon:D Welcome "Anonymous" and "rose 1422"!

So...I guess cold hard facts mean nothing to you two? Ah well...you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make them drink:-( Thank you for providing us with Yet more proof of how dangerous the Duggar's really are! I feel like I'm back in the 5th Grade, and am being accused of jealosy?

What I am seeing from these useless posts by Duggar lovers is...Men/Women between the ages of 16/25, who either dont, or cant have children. The main downfall of these people...the main reason they stick up for the Duggar's, is because of that lie that the Duggar's sell. The one that say's they are accepting of everyone else and their beliefs, and that they dont judge people. That same little lie has been proven to be a lie OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!! So sad:-( You can say that you feel sorry for me because I wont see the error of my ways, but please know that I have so much pity for you...even if you dont want it!

Maybe I have it completely wrong? Maybe the Duggars are a wonderful model family, and we would all be blessed to adopt their lifestyle? Please exscuse me...I need to go vomit!

On another note. I really hope those poor, malnourished, poverty stricken, illiterate children in El Salvador are enjoying their life saving soccer balls!

The Duggar's are dangerous, and their kids will most likely adopt their lifestyle...atleast the majority. Some of us can see it, and some of us cant, and some of us wont admit that we do. Thats just the way it is.

We are all supposed to live together in this world, and thats not so easy, when you have a woman, who "Squats and drops babies" at an alarming rate! The right to do what you want, and live how you want, ends with contempt like what the Duggar's have shown! To be able to claim the 5th on you're lifestyle, it must not be hurting anyone else. I will say it again "OVERPOPULATION"...amoung other things!

Janice 14 months ago

What about the lie that the way they live is not only normal, but attainable by other families. Their standard of living is artificially propped up by the TLC money, along with royalties from their books/DVDs and their personal appearance fees. (And here you thought that they show up for free.) Only the "elite" among families who espouse the QF line can actually match or exceed the Duggars' standard of living. The majority of people who follow the Bill Gothard line do NOT have a firm grip on the easy life; far from it. Their insistence on running "home-based" businesses coupled with their low educations, refusal to let the women in the family go to work and their uncontrolled birth rates guarantee them an honored spot at the bottom of the economic ladder. Gothard preaches that men should be their own bosses, regardless of ineptitude or lack of a head for business. I think it's more out of fear that a godly man may find himself with a supervisor who is: gay, black, Jewish, atheist, Muslim, Larino or worst of all, female. The sheer numbers of kids these families are expected to birth cancels out any chance they have of actually bettering themselves.

Then there's the effect that families of the Duggars' size have on their surroundings. They use disposable dishes, cutlery and glassware. They use disposable instead of cloth diapers. Anna Duggar was seen driving a huge, gas-guzzling Hummer and justified it because at least she uses cloth diapers. (Wonder how long that resolve will last once she has 3 or more children on the premises.) I get sick of hearing about how "green" they are when this degree of wastefulness is in plain sight.

I, too, am afraid of the Duggars. If we think that this generation of Duggar children is poorly educated, they look like Carl Sagan compared to their future children and grand-children. Already, Michelle is depending on the computer to do most of the "teaching". Plus, there's all the stupid little field trips they go on, that cut even further into their (so-called) education time. I noticed on the last episodes I watched that: Jennifer, at nearly 4, now speaks in sentences but garbles her words badly; Jackson at 6 thinks that "monkey" begins with a "J"; and Michelle plopped poor Josie in front of the computer and crowed that she was "learning". How, by osmosis? Jennifer needs her hearing, eyesight and speech evaluated, while she's still young enough to benefit from any possible therapies. Poor Jackson, who seems bright enough otherwise, needs remediation at the hands of a PROFESSIONAL, not a sister-mom. These are the kids that will be voting for some of the politicians that will chart our futures for the rest of us. I think I just ruined the rest of the decade for myself.

By the way, Rose 1422, the Duggars' critics are not dysfunctional just because we were tasteless enough to notice that the emperor is buck-naked. They don't need defense from the likes of me, I need it from them!

Laynie84 14 months ago

You bring up a good point Janice! The average person cannot afford adopt the Duggar's beliefs, and in turn cannot benifit from them...and yes people...the ticket to heaven the Duggar's are trying to buy is a BENIFIT. Though I think they have the wrong idea!

Has anyone ever heard of the saying, "Harm none, do what you will"??? Well that seems to be the point of every Duggar lovers previous post on this thread, though you have twisted it to suit yourselves, and I have to ask you...Do you really believe the only people that cause harm in this world, are the ones who Rape, Murder, Torture, exc...??? Are you really that blind to think that as long as the Duggar's put on a pretty face for the TV, and say "It's Gods will", it means they are not causing harm?

So basically what all of you Duggar supporters are saying is..."SCREW ALL OF YOU!!! AS LONG AS THE DUGGAR'S DONT LAY A FINGER TO YOU PHYSICALLY, IT'S YOU'RE PROBLEM! THEY MAY INFLUENCE YOU, AND FLAT OUT LIE TO YOU, AND MAKE YOU THINK THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD LIVE YOU'RE LIFE...BUT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT IF YOU CANT AFFORD THEIR WAY OF LIFE, AND COST OF HAPPINESS! BOW DONE TO THEM, AND BE HAPPY FOR THEM ANYWAY!!! Atleast thats what I see:-)

P.S.

I wonder...will it be ok with the Duggar's if Birth control really was made illegal, and people started to be forced to adopt their breeding beliefs, if the Duggar's would have anything to say about the astronomical spike in Wic, Food Stamps, Medicaid, and all other forms of Public assistance? Not to mention the ammount of defensless unwanted babies who would most likely be killed at birth. We have all seen on the news what happens when some people are pushed into a corner...and it's terrible! Would the Duggar's, or people like them ADOPT all of these children? Considering their current track record, I would have to say no! They are too good for that! That would be the innevitable outcome, and strangely enough, the Duggar's are, and will continue to be immune to problems like that! They can happily sit on their little fantasy world perch, and try to dictate how we live, because they dont have to worry about it!!! Disgusting!

Janice 14 months ago

The Duggars are serenely unconcerned about possible spikes in public assistance. They already support the type of "public Servants" that will run spikes through the hearts of any such initiatives.

I'm old enough to remember when abortion was flatly illegal. Did that stop women from seeking them anyway? Hell no! They either paid exorbitant fees to licensed but "bent" OB/Gyns, or bled to death, or died from pelvic inflammation, after undergoing unsanitary procedures in some back-alley abortion mill. I could not bring myself to have an abortion if I was young enough to get pregnant. But that doesn't give me the right to tell a rape or incest victim, a 12-year-old, or a woman whose health is so precarious that a pregnancy would kill her, that SHE has to continue the pregnancy just to salve MY conscience. My point is that making abortion illegal won't prevent it from taking place, all the prohibition will do is make it sub-rosa again.

I can also remember when doctors would not prescribe birth control pills to single women, or even married ones if they didn't already have a minimum number of children.

The Duggars and those who support them think life is all unicorns and roses because they are insulated from the problems of the real world. I wonder if this is what is meant by the "sins of the fathers": that reality will come back to bite their chiildren and grandchildren on the posteriors?

Janice 14 months ago

Paulie, are you sure that they'd even LET people advance as far as the 8th grade?

Laynie84 14 months ago

As long as we women can pass our "Midwifery" tests, I dont think we would have an Education at all, if it were up to the Duggars! The only reason those girls even have an Education (though can we really call it that?), is because it's the LAW!!! If there were a choice, then I'm willing to bet Jimbob and Michelle would opt put on an any ducation for their girls...except for "Home-ech":-(

Janine 14 months ago

I personally really don't hate these Duggars, but my goodness, like 20 kids?!? And not ONE of them acting out?!? Something's up...

I have 4 of my own, and while they are sometimes a handful, I feel that I can personally care and love each one when they need it... when you watch the Duggars, they pretty bluntly go about the "buddy system" where an older child basically takes full responsibility and care for a younger one. That's not right. I think they are simply not recognizing the full role as a modern-age parent, where you need to tend to each one, take the responsibility for their actions in their early years, and not rely on one to care for another, not just tell them about Jesus. I personally read through the Bible now and then with my kids, but as soon as I'm done I don't just give them a kiss good night and leave, which appears to be what the Duggars do; no "Do you want a warm glass of milk, hun?" or a "You look cold... do you want another blanket?" Sure most parents don't anyways, but I do, that's the way I was raised, that's the way I raise my kids, and apparently a good chunk of our family friends as well... and we're just run-of-the-mill soccer moms!

And I agree completely with Laynie84, I worry that sometimes, no, a lot, too. All of the episodes, the family is opting out of showing us what they are learning, but instead, show us the trip to the supermarket with 19 kids and a camera crew, or a trip to "see Jesus." What ARE they teaching those kids?? This isn't Phineas & Ferb where it's summer all the time, this is reality TV, yet, the "Duggar Family Academy" doesn't look like it's doing much now-a-days. I understand that sometimes they record on the weekend or on a holiday, but most of the episodes end up back-to-back, and there are so many, there is NO way each recording was on a holiday or weekend or whatever.

Now I kinda wanna make another point, towards myself. I am personally a very proud Christian (Non-denominational/Lutheran) and attend church on a regular basis, and read a few verses now and then, and have Switchfoot and TobyMac and the Newsboys bookmarked on my radio. I don't think I'm a die-hard Christian like the Duggars, but I also won't say "Oh kids, there's a Christian Fair clear across the country! Drop the books and let's go!" No way.

Janice 14 months ago

Another thing I can't stand about the Duggars is their insistence that their daughters remain at home until they find husbands, (That is, if Jimbob and OfJimBob ever let them get married.) How many real-life families can afford to have able-bodies, employable young adults sit around, idle and not supporting themselves? In this economy, no families can afford this.

If their stated intent is to marry these off these girls, they're doing a piss-poor job of protecting their interests. The middle class Victorians also expected their daughters to stay home but did a far better job of actually finding them husbands. Victorian parents took marriageable daughters to parties, dances, plays and picnics, all places were young men count be counted on to congregate. the parents cultivated friendships with parents of eligible young men. And they sent their daughters to ballroom dancing, art and music lessons, as wives were expected to be social assets to the men they marries. Most of these stay-at-home daughters were also fairly well-read, as well. Thanks to their parents, what can the Duggar daughters bring to marriage, if any even take place? All they know is housework and childcare.

In the last episode I saw (I don't expect to watch any more of them) it was revealed that Josh does not actually "own" his car lot. The land still belongs to JimBob, with Josh paying him rent for it. I can't help feeling sorry for the kid, as his father has guaranteed that he'll remain tethered financially to the family indefinitely, if not for the rest of his life. He would be better off if he pursued his web design ambitions and obtained a professional certificication (MCSE, A+, Cisco)in order to drum up business in this field. If he had seen the movie, he'd probably identify with Michael Corleone in GODFATHER III: "Every time I try to get out, they drag me back in!".

THDJDR 14 months ago

Well it sounds as though those of you who damn the Duggars are just jealous. Did it ever occur to you that you might perhaps learn something about child-rearing from watching that show? So WHAT if the girls stay home? So what if the girls wear skirts all the time.....it is the family's choice. Lately I have seen Anna wearing make-up and I think it's great. I don't htink she defers to Josh as much as you all think. IF you want to see a weird family take a look at ANNA's ! The clip of Anna / Josh getting engaged and Anna's mom wearing the exact same outfit as her daughter was WEIRD in my book....Thank God Josh rescued ANNA from that weird family of hers !

In closing, keep your nasty comments to yourselfs...everyone has a right to live as they want..including the Duggars and their decision to have 19 PLUS kids ! Yay Duggars !

Laynie84 14 months ago

Aha!!! Another one let's go of Jimbobs coat tails long enough to speak! Too bad it's the same old stuff:-(

Laynie84 14 months ago

THDJDR. You said "So WHAT if the girls stay home? So what if the girls wear skirts all the time.....it is the family's choice". My question is, why should it be the FAMILIES choice, and not the girls? If what you say/think is the truth, then the girls dont have a say in what they wear. Why should girls who are over the age of 18 have to listen to what the FAMILY says they should wear? I think you put you're foot in you're mouth on that one, and now you will say it was not meant that way:-)

If learning how to use proper "Child Rearing" from the Duggar's means teaching my daughter that her only worth comes from her ability to kiss her "Authority's" ass, and "Squat and drop" a blessing every 1-2 years then I thank God I dont know the proper way, and oddly enough, I can almost see God smiling right now:-)

I have no problems with the Duggar's/Anna wearing make-up/Jewelry at all. My problem is them still telling people that all of this stuff comes secondhand...You know, "Buy used save the difference"! I dont care if you buy new/used, or cheap/expensive, just admit it!

I noticed on the last episode that Josh made it seem like the big bad bank had done him wrong in taking away his lot! Now we all know the bull**** banks are capable of, but that 8 hour countdown was ridiculous!!! Josh made it seem like the big bad bank had came and told him "Get out Sonny...You only have 8 hours...Hustle!!!" We all know Josh was given ample notice of eviction...probably weeks, but instead of using that brain of his, he waited until the last minute to leave without having prepared at all! That's what I call "Duggar contempt...AKA Arrogance"!

kkbushie 14 months ago

I like the Duggars. I think their show is a breathe of fresh air. The trash I can't stand is all this "American Idol" crap or racing around the world(sorry I don't know the name of these shows, as I have better things to do with my time) or Donald Trump shows. A family together----how novel. Sorry, but when I hear about step brothers or sisters or divorces, in my world this is trash. I am 54 years old, and I don't associate with families that I consider trash. Sound snotty------tough. I raise my children not to associate with trash, sound snotty-----tough. I don't care about associating with all this trash everyone is concerned with getting to know. People are different -----that is their choice. Believe in aborting your own children----good so do I. For everyone out there mentioning adoption, how many have you personally adopted? I have two little girls that I have adopted from China. Who else--raise your hand. China by the way is no longer demanding a one child policy as they realize that they have an entire generation of males with no one to marry. I've been to China many times and depending on the province they have different numbers of children. Following birth control policies set by a mass murderer is never a good idea. As for water problems in Australia--why is that, hmmm? I am not so self absorbed to believe for a moment that my existence on this planet is going to have any major effect. Using all the water, breathing all the air , eating all the food, global warming----the sky is falling chicken little. Liberal trash---also don't associate with. All of this trash you want my children to associate with, is You. Are you lonely? Get together with all the other trash, seems to be a lot of it. I will never approve of it, don't have to, get over it. In your book, I'm closed-minded. Wow, I don't care. Don't like the show, there are plenty of trash shows that seem to mimic your lifestyle; Watch those. Personally, I don't care how they live; I don't care how any of you live. People who have already posted have said this nicely. I don't care about being nice. High school mentality--lets find someone we can all hate and make fun of--then we can say we have a bullying problem and set out on our little liberal task of fixing the world. Sorry but none of you are going to fix the worlds problems. As for living with your parents until you are married? What kind of an idiot wouldn't want to save as much money as they possibly can for as long as they can by living with their parents. I did--bought as house right away. However, I guess it could be a problem for people who don't have "married" parents who want them to live with them. Don't know, don't care. As for the girls wearing skirts all of the time, what about the freaks that walk around with scarfs covering their heads or entire body bed sheets. Talk about weird. I'm also glad to know that there will be so many people running down to El Salvador with things that they really need. So nice of you. The problem they have is they keep popping out kids they can't afford. Remember to bring birth control, or set up some of your birth control clinics there. Maybe they can get a show. You can call it "Crime and Evidence." Remember to bring shoes so that all of the poor women there aren't running around barefoot and pregnant; books too for all of the budding mathematicians and engineers. All of the people you're concerned with are also the ones squatting and dropping kids. Are those kids more important than anyone else's kids. Maybe if they tried doing things to keep them vertical they would have fewer problems. They sound kind of selfish to me. Do they have school past elementary school, or any school at all. Remember as someone said here, the right to live as one wants ends when someone else has to clean it up, like in El Salvador and Australia.

tessalou 14 months ago

Watch out ladies and gentlemen, the southern trailer park manager/bully is sighting you with her sawed-off double barrel shotgun after her redneck families beerfest, which they lovingly call deer hunting.

What really makes me sad is that the two adopted daughters from China is probably slave servants that she and her family are making them do round robins at each others trailers. She herself said that they were trash. I doubt if she was mentally stable enough to have been able to adopt a child from this country after even looking at her and her hillbilly hubby.

As for El Salvador, it is useless to even have birth control over there as neither the government or family themselves can afford it. The average size of a family over there is at the most 5 children and child mortality is very high, not to mention the maternal mortality.

How can you worry if they have a school over there and how high it goes. You little hillbilly redneck, you probably have not even made it past the 8th grade yourself because the school kicked you out at the 7th. Just go and tear up the woods on your atv's with your ignorance and lack of education and let more intelligent readers have an intelligent conversation with people who know what they are talking about.

Off my soapbox again. (Get them Janice and Laynne)

Laynie84 14 months ago

Oh wow kkbushie! I know you were going for the whole "I dont give a damn, it's not my business look" with that post, but using paragraphs goes a long way in trying to get you're point across! If you really dont care, than why are you here?

Despite Tessalou's let's just say "Terribly Colorful" way of saying it...I would have to agree for the most part. If you're talking about keeping you're children away from trash, then I would say you have failed, because they live with trash every day. Sorry, but there just isn't any other way to say it!

So once again, all we have are insult's??? What would the Duggar's say:-)

Laynie84 14 months ago

..and just for the record, because it has been brought up before...I don't consider myself a Liberal or a Conservative. You can take it however you want though. I will say that the only thing that does insult me is being called an "Obama Lover"...which I have!!!

1. I hate Obama, but like Hillary! I hate Jr. Bush, but love Sr.! I hate Palin, but like Mcain, but like Condolesa...and while we are at it, I actually miss Bill:-)

2. I believe 100% in the Death Penalty, and believe it should be used more often!

3. I believe in Birth Control, and applaud anyone willing to take responsibility for their body...and not buy in to the bull**** that "Squating and Dropping" every couple of years is normal, or acceptable!

4. I do believe in Population Control as harsh as it sounds, but that there should be an allowance of 2-3 children per woman. I also know that this would never happen in the US.

5. I have no problem in homeschooling children from 6th-12th Grade, but I do believe their needs to be a solid Elementary School foundation first!

6. I do believe that the Duggar's are dangerous, and "Trash" if you will! I believe that they like causing turmoil, and that it is probably their goal! Call me crazy...but not an Obama Lover:-( I wish it were as easy to just turn the Tv off and ignore the Duggar's, but it's not anymore!

So there you have it! No real need to post this, but felt like I needed to!

tessalou 14 months ago

ooops...look at me guys, I live in a doublewide trailer in south texas cowlands...but guess who is the queen of this doublewide??

Janice 14 months ago

I too think the Duggars are dangerous, not just in themelves but for the whole midset they represent. They want to undo 90 or more years of women's rights with their teaching that women shouldn't work, don't need eduucations and should be keepers at home until they are consigned to their next jailer, er headship, oops, I meant husband.

The truly scary part is that they are NOT alone in this thinking. There is a whole fundamentalist subculture around this type of thought. And worse, it's trickling down into mainstream political and social discourse. Good luck telling me not to work as my "headship" can bring home the bacon. Said headship is now retired as am I and if I started yammering about "headship" or his having to be my "spiritual authority" he would either mistake such dialogue for an April Fool joke, or drag me off to the nearest neurologist for an MRI.

The Duggars not only don't believe in education, they know nothing of the cultural references the rest of us have grown up with for the last 40-60 years. I don't know anyone who grew up to be hooligans because they knew who the Beatles, or the Stones or David Bowie are, or saw The Godfather/Star Wars/Harry Potter/Lord of The Rings series when they first came out. No man of my acquaintance has developed satyriasis because some woman walked past in shorts or capris,and a tee-shirt. Ditto for women in bikinis or two-pieces on the beach.

The Duggar children, if they ever escape the stalag they call home, will have almost as hard a time fitting in socially as they can expect to have vocationally. Michelle and JimBob have failed their kids culturally, socially and vocationally. My husband and I give our CAT a better upbringing than they have subjected their kids to.

Oh, and THDJDR, what makes you think that anyone posting here is jealous of the Duggars? What the hell's gates do they have that I could possibly want, or want to duplicate? Is it the women's wardrobes perhaps, or maybe Michelle's fecundity. Do I sound like I love the idea of giving birth every 18 months regardless of health, personal inclination or financial solvency? Is it the way the younger kids career around the house without supervision as the sistermoms are just too damn busy to rein them in? Gee, that's a lot to envy! You Duggar apologists trot out the same "you're jealous" mantra, but never say just what makes them so superior to the rest of us, except in sheer numbers.

Tessalou, liked your double wide remark. Better to be a queen in a doublewide than a slave in a McMansion.

Janice 13 months ago

I don't know if the Duggars themselves would go for arranged marriages although I've heard that they are common in the ATI/QF/VF community. I think that the Duggars will marry off the girls but probably not for another 4-6 years. By that time, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Jed and Jeremiah will all be legal adults. The howler monkeys will all be in their early or mid-teens and self-sufficient as will Hannie, Jenny and Jordyn. It's enybody's guess how far along Josie will be. They won't be willing to set the J-slaves free unless and until the younger kids can fend for themselves (not that they don't already but we're talking about Duggars here).

Some of the elite families (Botkins, Maxwells, Baucham) have NOT been able to marry off their daughters. Although the girls are personable, the fathers in these families place the bar for marriage so high, that few men can meet them. Plus, any boy wanting to marry, say, a Botkin daughter would have to consign his gonads to Daddy in a formaldehyde jar. What man, even a fundie, with self respect will put himself through that?

For that reason, I think JimBob and Michelle will have an eeasier time finding sons-in-law. Oppressive as they are, I still don't see them hovering over their daughers and sons in law like vultures like some of these other fathers will.

I don't know if dowries would be involved in these unions or not. I did read somewhere that in some of these families, the unit of currency is a bride price, where the man would pay the girl's parents in exchange for the right to marry her.

Janice 13 months ago

I stay well away from the teachings (rants) of these fundies. Voddie Baucham's daughter, Jasmine and the 2 Botkin daughters are linchpins for the "Stay At Home Daughters (SAHD)" movement. According to their teaching, unmarried daughters are not to work outside the home, receive educations beyonf their homeshcoolings and be at the beck and call of their parents (read: fathers) until someone marries them. When I say "beck and call" they are expected to wait hand and foot on Daddy, even shaving him and putting on his shoes if he so requests. The 3 girls also maintain blogs, with the Botkin girls calling themselves "Visionary Daughters". WTF? What the hell's gates is so visionary about sitting at home on your keister all day, composing blogs to exhort other young women to join you in your imprisonment, playing dress-up and presiding over conferences intended to lure the undecided into your camp? I would like to feel sorry for these girls but they present a seemingly attractive package that only the elite among fundamentalist families can afford to live up to. The rest of the hoi polloi among fundies exist solely to bankroll these toxic lifestyles for the likes of the Beachams and Botkins.

As for Voddie Baucham's views on public vs Christian educations. frankly he should mind his own business. The so-called Christian education he espouses is long on theology and short on critical thinking, advanced math and science, and any of the skills normal people would need to actually use their educations.

Janice 13 months ago

yes, I know that the Duggar parents also believe in keeping their daughters at home until marriage. But I think that if and when the subject comes up the Duggar girls will probably have an easier time finding husbands than the SAHDs. The fathers of the SAHD girls set impossibly high standards and impose too many restrictions for most self-respecting men to meet. It's almost as if they WANT these women to still be rotting at home well into their 40s and 50s. Unless they get lucky and Daddy shuffles off the mortal coil soon enough for them to rebuild their lives and have aoms independence.

Janice 13 months ago

Sorry, I meant "some". Caffeine deprivation strikes again!

Laynie84 13 months ago

That is beyond sick. I'm sorry to say, but I for one have alway's wondered if their wasn't something "Despicable" going on in the Duggar household, concerning Jimbob and his daughters. It's horrible to fathom, but the way they act!!!

Laynie84 13 months ago

I didn't mean that's what you meant Paulie. Sorry about that. It's just a thought I have had for a while.

Laynie84 13 months ago

...but you make a great point. It in no way has to be physical. I have also heard of what you're describing, but for the life of me can't find the term?

Janice 13 months ago

Paulie and Laynie84, I think the term you are looking for is "emotional incest". Even though there's no incest in the literal, physical sense underway, the relationships these fathers foster are incestuous on intellectual, spiritual and psychological levels. These men know on deep down that they aren't what any of us would call roaring successes socially, or professionally. They keep their wives and daughters subservient because it's vital to their mental health to be able to know that somewhere, someone is lower on the pecking order than they are. In addition, they don't want peers for relatives, but acolytes.

For all that these fundy fathers claim that their daughters are being raised to become helpmeets (barf) to some godly man, they do everything they can to obstruct their daughters from fulfilling their destinies (such as they are). I, too, hope that a few of these girls will spit out the Kool-Aid and head for the hills.

And like I said, the elite families who espouse this pig swill are living very well, on the backs of their many poverty stricken followers who have been brainwashed into thinking that they, too, can live like the Duggars, the Bauchams and the Botkins. They have somehow been persuaded to go against their own best interest. The rank and filers are holy cannon fodder for these families. It reminds me of a proverb that was common in the Middle Ages: "The clergy prays for all, the nobles fight for all and the peasants pay for all".

Janice 13 months ago

IS there anyone here that can look at Lego sets with a straight face again?

Janice 13 months ago

Paulie, how do either of us know he didn't?

You're right about Daddy Duggar having it made. Not only is he surrounded by women but he has the reassurance that none of them are capable, financially and vocationally, of fending for themselves without him. Plus, he has a wife that talks in a squeaky, baby voice. I swear, the last time I heard a voice like that my cat had its owner cornered behind the radiator.

Steve 13 months ago

These people make my skin crawl....

The show should be called "The Breeders" I believe that anyone who is that far gone this his / her religion is brain washed and can't be trusted. I also believe that the bible is a work of fiction for the most part and the whole Jesus thing is also a kids story...not buying it...drink the koolaid people, do us all a favor.

Ron 13 months ago

To the haters: You find the Duggars offensive because your mind has been corrupted by society and sin. The thinking that exposing kids to the evil and wrong in the world will make them better developed is just plain stupid. You can't understand why they are so happy so it is something wrong with them and not yourselves. The truth is that they understand society for what it is and you cannot. They under that true happiness is found in Jesus Christ and not in yourself.

People become Christians because they know the truth. People become atheists because they don't. Simple as that. Wake up!

Janice 13 months ago

Hey Ron, your precious Duggars are so uncorrupted that they just started shilling for a program called "College Plus". I'm convinced that it was a reaction to all the snarking about their education, or lack of same. They are obviously trying to make themselves look "normal". Supposedly, 4 of the oldest Duggar children, including Josh, are enrolled for college coursework, while Joyanna and Josiah are enrolled for pre-college. Wait'll Josh finds out that his College Plus credits won't put him any close to a law degree. Any college that would accept these credits will still insist that the users complete their coursework on campus. College Plus is advertising all over TV that the Duggars endorse it. Guess what, College Plus offers CLEP credits, for 10-15,000/year but the poor saps who enroll in it are going to discover that only a few, if any, of the credits are transferable. College Plus, and online program, is NOT accredited and the CLEP credits offered can only be transferred to a handful of institutions, many of them also unaccredited. By a curious coincidence, one of the accepting institutions is one of Bill Gothard's institutions. It's no skin off the Duggars' noses to shill for this outfit as I am sure that they attend either tuition-free or at a very steep discount in exchange for their imprimatur. As resident of Arkansas, if they were sincere about providing college educations to their children they could attend either the University of Arkansas, or a local community college for far less than College Plus is charging. They would qualify for in-state tuition rates which are substantially less than the out of state rates for the same institutions. However, they are NOT serious about educating their children beyond the SOTDRT level. Oh, and when are they even supposed to do all this coursework, when they're forever dropping everything to hare off on yet another stupid trip? (Sorry Paulie, I just couldn't help looking through this 'cause I'm just nosy that way.) College Plus does NOT guarantee that clients will get a diploma, it only enables clients to study for CLEP tests that they could take on their own at a fraction of the price.

Ron, what makes you think that posters here are all atheists? Is it because we either never drank the Koolaid, or spit it out if we did? If the Duggars were laboring in obscurity, nobody would know, care or comment on their doings. Once they agreed to be filmed, they became fair game for criticisn. If they or their fans don't like it, tough. My take on the College Plus thing is that Boob has seen the handwriting on the wall vis-a-vis the show and has taken steps to kine up replacement revenue streams. I am waiting with bated breath to see what else they endorse in the future.

fhater 13 months ago

suprised knowone has brought up the antichrist. not that jimbo or his kids is smart enough but aint the antichrist supposed to be loved by all of these blind christians who cant smell the shit from their own ass no matter what he does? seems like some people will turn a blind eye to anything these fuggars do just cause they yell GOD. just thought with all the christian talk you should think about it. dont believe jimbo is him but it seems all you fuggar lovers like them as christians so much and it makes you think.

Janice 13 months ago

I love how these fundies and not just the Duggars, wax nostalgic for a supposed Golden Age of the past which in fact never existed. The majority of women, especially if they were poor or working class, did not have the option of staying home. If they weren't working in mills or factories, they were in domestic service, or taking in laundry and mending and the more literate among them brought in revenue by giving music and art lessons to local children. In Elizabethan England, dairymaids were considered great marital catches, as by tradition they had a right to keep whatever they earned by selling milk and cream.

Even women in the supposed leisure class were not exempt from duties of their own. For instance, in the manors of the Middle Ages, the noblemen's wives and daughters functioned as doctors for the estate. Most were very skilled in herbal medicine and were the ones who stitched up injuries, treated fevers and rashes and attended childbirths if there was no midwife available. It was also the medieval ladies who wove tapestries and cultivated herb bardens. While they didn't "work" outside the home, they were hardly idle, and most were convent educated.

The good old days were anything but. Less than 150 yeas ago, if a woman didn't die in childbirth, she stood a good chance of succumbing to tuberculosis, or dying an ugly, protracted death from peritonitis if her appendix burst. Women also had fewer rights than the average farm animal. They were forced to relinquish any money or property of their own at marriage until the 1890s in England, and the start of the 20th century here. Their right to sit at home calling the rest of us heathens was bought by feminists who campaigned for stay-at-home wife and daughterhood to be optional, not mandatory.

Oh, and children didn't fare any better. It has only been in the past 60 years that child abuse is a felony, and in times past most places barely considered it a misdemeanor. In the 1800s so beloved of fundamentalists, it wasn't prosecuted until 1884, then as "cruelty to animals" with the ASPCA bringing the actual charges.

You couldn't PAY me to live the way the Duggars do, or go back to the past that the rest of us have evolved from.

Alice 13 months ago

Poor desperate posters-are you STILL following this spewing your venom?

You could never live the way the Duggars do, because it isn't in you.

Your goals for life must look entirely different from theirs, which is why their fruit is so hateful to you.

Living well will be their best revenge. Except they don't seem very vengeful...bless them.

Laynie84 13 months ago

Snickers...and at the same time hopes God has as much pity for Duggar lovers as I do:-) Tut tut tut...

Alice 13 months ago

It also crossed my mind that people seem so concerned about the daughters' higher education, almost as if everyone's goal should be to earn a degree. It IS hard to put yourself in other people's shoes, but imagine for a moment that a girl might have other priorities, ones that you consider ridiculous. I find myself becoming more and more convinced that my daughter may not want or need a degree, or my sons either, for that matter. No doubt others will criticize, but that doesn't change the facts.

Janice 13 months ago

Somewhere, there's an empty bridge and a whole herd of billy goats bemoaning the continued absence of their trolls.

Alice 13 months ago

It also occurs to me that many people haven't seen happy young people for so long that they don't really know they exist. Teens that love and respect their parents, simply because of the position they are in, and are blessed for it. A phenomenon that is well worth broadcasting!

Ron  13 months ago

The Duggars try to model their life from what they learned at IBLP. If you have ever attended a seminar you would understand everything about their life. BTW, I never said everyone on this board are atheists.

@Paulie - what are you?

http://iblp.org/iblp/seminars/basic/online/

Alice 13 months ago

And it's also sad that a close relationship between a father and his children, sons OR daughters, is immediately suspect--a sad commentary on a culture in which fathers abandon wife and children for their own selfish pursuits. We have a hard time accepting a loving father, because we don't believe in a loving "F"ather. I believe the Duggar children will always find the idea of a loving heavenly Father easy to accept. This is the legacy Jim Bob leaves to his children.

Ron 13 months ago

@Paulie,

What you are saying is pure crap. I don't have a better way of describing it.

Alice Griffith 13 months ago

well. I guess we could wait for the Duggar kids to go on a talk show. But I'm still putting my money on Duggar parenting.

Just don't see the kids not able to make decisions. Seems like they're making pretty good ones! I know, I know, no one in trouble with the law, no unwed parents, no drug or alcohol abuse, and no ODD, or even bad attitude. Even have a heart for the downtrodden. Big deal, any parent on here could say that. Couldn't they?

Ron 13 months ago

@Paulie

It's time to move out of your parent's basement and If you do have kids I hope you aren't putting your parenting theories to work. You are actually trying to support your point on how to raise children by using the example that birds push their babies out of the nest. This tells me you don't have a clue about what you are talking about and are just another internet "know it all". The Duggar's examples of parenting is about the best example one can turn on the tv and get. What you don't realize is that they raise their kids by the guidelines set for by the Bible, not their own finite logic. If you can't understand this go and read your Bible. Don't hate on them because they reject the same society that tells you how to think. Also, you apparently don't understand what the Bible teaches about how to teach Women.

Methinks you need to hit your local Bible.

Alice 13 months ago

I also commend them for being able to dress their kids well (not your style, perhaps?) and give them schooling and even music lessons, and a lovely house to live in, all while remaining debt free. If you think that was all handed to them, you don't know what the first 12 or so years of their marriage was like. Self-denial and delayed gratification are powerful lessons, and the challenge will be to teach that to the youngers, who don't remember the little house.

But the most astounding thing to me is that people think that after 21 minutes of coverage per episode they somehow know how this family operates on a day to day basis. Hilarious. TLC does what they can to make the family look ridiculous, but they somehow...don't. I'll give them this, TLC does know their audience...

Ron 13 months ago

teach=treat

Laynie84 13 months ago

Oh...but remember Paulie, as another DL already said, "the media has been slanted for years now", and we should not believe what we see! Unless it's something good. Then it has to be true! You know...in essence we are all out to get the poor defenseless Duggar's, because we are all evil jealous sinners:-)

Alice 13 months ago

As I mentioned before, they don't look ridiculous, at least to those with the same goals. I wonder if we can believe the word of the TLC crew that comes into their home every week--they are not Christian, or homeschoolers, and yet they have a great love and admiration for the family. If that were the ONLY positive influence to come out of the series, then great! But, it's not.

One thing's for sure. The Duggars are not surprised that so many seem to hate them. "Don't be surprised if the world hates you. Don't you know that it hated Me, before it hated you?" There's just a bigger picture here, and it goes beyond the "carbon footprint," the way children are educated, and how they wear their hair. Many people will miss it.

Alice 13 months ago

Jesus said that to his disciples.